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join:2003-02-18
Seattle, WA | This judge Rocks! Good Judge.
Refreshing to see a judge to look at the intent of the law (statutes) from the (from the legislative) and the regulations that implement the law (from the executive.) | |
| | | fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20 | Re: This judge Rocks! I am just waiting for the typical "They're legislating from the bench" talking point argument that seems to be spewd' from the administration lately. | |
| pv8man17
join:2003-10-07
Hammond, IN | well.. At least one good thing happened today. | |
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TK Junk Mail
Go ahead, make my day
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Margate City, NJ
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| Re: well.. said by pv8man17  :At least one good thing happened today. He was 1 of 3 judges on the panel. Don't count your chickens before they hatch. The other judges seem inclined to go along with the FCC, especially about VOIP. The best those that are aginst the FCC interpretation can hope for is that the panel will not extend it to all data on the internet but limit it to VOIP. And the cost to ISPs and colleges would still be the same even if it is limited to VOIP. Oh, and the government gets to appeal this up to the Supreme Court where the majority will probably go along with the government.
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envoid
join:2002-12-21
Duluth, GA
| Re: well.. said by TK Junk Mail :The best those that are aginst the FCC interpretation can hope for is that the panel will not extend it to all data on the internet but limit it to VOIP. Exactly. What is the definition of VoIP? Voice over IP (or voice over data). In some ways it can be considered a telecommunications service, and in others just more data on the Information Service. At the most they should only allow it for VoIP. At the MOST! But once you put in the "backdoor" for the VoIP services any packet is game. So, is it a telecom service or just an extension of the Information Service? Does the communication medium make a difference? I'm thinking no, but at the same time I don't want them to have open access to all data on a network.
I wouldn't doubt someone somewhere in congress will push to change it so VoIP is considered telecom. | |
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jhboricua
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Minneapolis, MN
clubs: | Re: well.. But didn't the FCC ruled VoIP to be an 'information service' in the case of the Cable companies that were deploying it? I would think that the ILEC's would have a field day if the FCC comes back now and say it is not to this judge panel. | |
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jjoshua
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join:2001-06-01
Scotch Plains, NJ
·Comcast
| Any Boston Legal fans? What is this jibber-jabber? I don't like jibber-jabber in my courtroom. | |
| | GigahertZ420
join:2001-10-02
Fairbanks, AK
| Re: Any Boston Legal fans? This judge just put the FCC in their place > CHECK.
Just wait for our local free market quack troll to come around saying how PRIVATE companies and universities should foot the bill so that the GOVERNMENT can tap into our lives.
FCC has clearly overstepped their mandate and their scope of what they do. Just like the broadcast flag BS, they think they can mandate all kinds of stuff they have no authority to perform.
FCC - Federal Corporation of Corruption
FCC should be dismantled and shipped to China... | |
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join:2005-06-06
Alexandria, VA | Apparently the US Attorney was Alan Shore...but this time he lost... LOL | |
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tiger72
SexaT duorP
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Kansas City, MO
clubs: | this is a judge that aint no nansy-pansy! | |
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embj
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Fayetteville, NC
clubs: | Haha...yup. When I saw "gobbledygook" on the front page, that's the first thing I thought of. lol. | |
| jpark
join:2005-02-05
Jackson, TN
| Excellent. Our (US) government has trampled on constitutional rights and privileges, passed laws at odds with the constitution, and generally disregarded any laws which it wants to in the name of 'protecting us against [whatever is the current scare tactic]'.
The irony is that we (US government) are doing the terrorists' work for them. We seem intent on destroying ourselves to prevent some other agent from destroying us.
The FCC is doubtless being pushed by the administration to expand its control to areas which it has no legal right to regulate.
The judge is correct when he says it doesn't make sense.
The rare and unexpected voice of reason is refreshing. | |
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dslextreme
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join:2001-02-23
Canoga Park, CA | Re: Excellent. Let's be CLEAR. The FCC is appointed by the administration. They are administration stooges, there is no "pushing" required. | |
| | | RayW
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| Re: Excellent. said by dslextreme :Let's be CLEAR. The FCC is appointed by the administration. They are administration stooges, there is no "pushing" required. Yup, same thing was said in 98, when that worthless Clinton appointee, Michael Kevin Powell, was there.
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join:2004-06-25
Waltham, MA | Re: Excellent. Ah yes - "Blame Clinton".
You mean COLIN POWELL's BROTHER ?? Puleez. | |
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| Re: Excellent. said by nozzer :Ah yes - "Blame Clinton". You mean COLIN POWELL's BROTHER ?? Puleez. Yup, 3 November 1997. Bush then made him chairman in January 2001.
I do not know who Colin Powell's siblings are, but the Michael Powell mentioned is the SON of Colin Powell.
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| amungus
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America
clubs: | yeah well yeah, it doesn't make sense.
I pity the fool.
This, is chewbacca, and chewbacca is a wookie. That does not make sense.
that judge must've eaten his wheaties. | |
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major marco
Res Firma Mitescere Nescit
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| | RayW
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| Re: Ridiculous, unfounded overkill said by major marco :cut rant Strange, that is what a lot of people were saying about King Bill and Queen "WE are the President" Hillary.
Oh well, nice thing about this country, you do not get shot for having an opinion.
Now off political opinions and back to the thread, the FCC and a Judge.
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major marco
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| Re: Ridiculous, unfounded overkill said by RayW :said by major marco :cut rant Strange, that is what a lot of people were saying about King Bill and Queen "WE are the President" Hillary. Oh well, nice thing about this country, you do not get shot for having an opinion. Now off political opinions and back to the thread, the FCC and a Judge. Who said anything about Slick Willie and Hillary? You better go back and re-read your Rush talking points memo because you're the one off track. Further, if you're expecting to remove "political" opinions, then you may as well have the entire thread removed because that is precisely what this particular Judge's opinion is about. Clearly you missed that. And as much as you would approve of having people "shot" for having an opinion that does not coincide with yours, sadly for you, at least for the moment, that is not yet a legal option.
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| Re: Ridiculous, unfounded overkill said by major marco :said by RayW :said by major marco :cut rant Strange, that is what a lot of people were saying about King Bill and Queen "WE are the President" Hillary. Oh well, nice thing about this country, you do not get shot for having an opinion. Now off political opinions and back to the thread, the FCC and a Judge. Who said anything about Slick Willie and Hillary? You better go back and re-read your Rush talking points memo because you're the one off track. Further, if you're expecting to remove "political" opinions, then you may as well have the entire thread removed because that is precisely what this particular Judge's opinion is about. Clearly you missed that. And as much as you would approve of having people "shot" for having an opinion that does not coincide with yours, sadly for you, at least for the moment, that is not yet a legal option. Hmm...Wonder how you got the impression I want people shot? Just pointed out that we still can cut Bush down and you do not hear of people dieing for it. Ah freedom, you are allowed to make your own mistakes.
I also just pointed out that your ranting is old, heard it in the 90's and now you are recycling it for the 2000's.
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| Re: Ridiculous, unfounded overkill said by RayW :I also just pointed out that your ranting is old, heard it in the 90's and now you are recycling it for the 2000's. "If the shoe fits..." | |
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| Re: Ridiculous, unfounded overkill said by tsu :said by RayW :I also just pointed out that your ranting is old, heard it in the 90's and now you are recycling it for the 2000's. "If the shoe fits..." Yeah, does not matter who is in, you hear the same thing over and over.
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nixen
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| Re: Ridiculous, unfounded overkill said by RayW :said by tsu :said by RayW :I also just pointed out that your ranting is old, heard it in the 90's and now you are recycling it for the 2000's. "If the shoe fits..." Yeah, does not matter who is in, you hear the same thing over and over. Ever consider that maybe there's a reason for that?
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| Re: Ridiculous, unfounded overkill said by nixen :Ever consider that maybe there's a reason for that? -tom That there is no such thing as an honest politician? What a unique concept  !
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TScheisskopf
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| said by major marco :Who said anything about Slick Willie and Hillary? You better go back and re-read your Rush talking points memo because you're the one off track. Further, if you're expecting to remove "political" opinions, then you may as well have the entire thread removed because that is precisely what this particular Judge's opinion is about. Clearly you missed that. And as much as you would approve of having people "shot" for having an opinion that does not coincide with yours, sadly for you, at least for the moment, that is not yet a legal option. When some find themselves hemmed in by the absolute venality of the actions of this administration(and the FCC IS part of the administrative branch, like it or not), the desperate true believer, one who worship the administration in spite of any inescapable logic or evidence to the contrary, will immediately and reflexively run to the safe and familiar territory of blaming anything on anything named Clinton. The weather, stock market drops, hangnails, their kid's runny nose...all are fair game for referencing Bill, Hillary and especially, what G. Gordon Liddy might call Bill's "manly characteristic", which we know is the true source of all evil in the history of the universe.
In fact, it is all they have left.
You can file this strange set of behaviors under "end-stage denial". | |
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join:2005-09-01 | Re: Ridiculous, unfounded overkill And you can blame everything in the world, including the amount of cloud cover today and whether or not I fed my dogs today on GWBUSH? | |
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join:2004-06-25
Waltham, MA | Re: Ridiculous, unfounded overkill Given 7 out of 9 SJC are Republican appointees, they have controlled Congress the last 12 years, the Senate all but 1 of the last 12 years, and the Executive branch for the last 5 1/2 I think its pretty clear where fingers should be pointed. | |
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lopinboy
If you can read this.... RUN
join:2001-02-22
Huntersville, NC
| quote:
When some find themselves hemmed in by the absolute venality of the actions of this administration(and the FCC IS part of the administrative branch, like it or not), the desperate true believer, one who worship the administration in spite of any inescapable logic or evidence to the contrary, will immediately and reflexively run to the safe and familiar territory of blaming anything on anything named Clinton. The weather, stock market drops, hangnails, their kid's runny nose...all are fair game for referencing Bill, Hillary and especially, what G. Gordon Liddy might call Bill's "manly characteristic", which we know is the true source of all evil in the history of the universe.
In fact, it is all they have left.
You can file this strange set of behaviors under "end-stage denial".
Are you not in fact sitting there doing the same exact thing, but directing it towards Bush instead? Republicans blame Clinton while Democrats blame Bush, ironic...
Both administrations are at fault for what is currently plaguing the USA. Only people who don't see that are blinded with ignorance. | |
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| Re: Ridiculous, unfounded overkill said by lopinboy : quote:
When some find themselves hemmed in by the absolute venality of the actions of this administration(and the FCC IS part of the administrative branch, like it or not), the desperate true believer, one who worship the administration in spite of any inescapable logic or evidence to the contrary, will immediately and reflexively run to the safe and familiar territory of blaming anything on anything named Clinton. The weather, stock market drops, hangnails, their kid's runny nose...all are fair game for referencing Bill, Hillary and especially, what G. Gordon Liddy might call Bill's "manly characteristic", which we know is the true source of all evil in the history of the universe.
In fact, it is all they have left.
You can file this strange set of behaviors under "end-stage denial".
Are you not in fact sitting there doing the same exact thing, but directing it towards Bush instead? Republicans blame Clinton while Democrats blame Bush, ironic... Both administrations are at fault for what is currently plaguing the USA. Only people who don't see that are blinded with ignorance. Thank you. I agree, it is both administration's fault. They are the right and and left hand of a single future. One will shape it slightly differently from the other, but, both are power hungry and corrupt. | |
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TScheisskopf
World News Trust
join:2005-02-13
Belvidere, NJ
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| Both of you are denying one simple fact: This case is before the courts and being plead by The Bush Administration's FCC. Period. Full stop. EOL.
Now, how can you spin away from that one and into blaming it on Bill, Hillary, Chelsea and Spot, like the poster whom I was commenting on? | |
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join:2004-11-29
Chillicothe, OH | Every administration is to blame for the way things going back to the wimp carter. | |
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lopinboy
If you can read this.... RUN
join:2001-02-22
Huntersville, NC
| Re: Ridiculous, unfounded overkill said by Plucky1969 :Every administration is to blame for the way things going back to the wimp carter. IMO, I'd actually go even further back, starting at FDR. | |
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TScheisskopf
World News Trust
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| said by RayW :said by major marco :cut rant Strange, that is what a lot of people were saying about King Bill and Queen "WE are the President" Hillary. Oh well, nice thing about this country, you do not get shot for having an opinion. Now off political opinions and back to the thread, the FCC and a Judge. There is no discernable difference between the attempted actions of the FCC and the politics of the matter.
No matter what streches one might make in the service of apologia. | |
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wmcbrine
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Laurel, MD
| said by major marco :CALEA was not intended to monitor email and the Internet, and clearly, Congre$$ has to step up to the plate and address the issue. I fear that Congress' idea of "stepping up" will be to endorse the idea, and explicitly extend the FCC's authority to encompass this. | |
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sporkme
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Netcong, NJ | Spin It! Engage spin mechanism...
Searching...
Run... activist_judge_rant.exe
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| | amungus
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America
clubs: | Re: Spin It! ..call function -roll eyes
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| shades
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Williamstown, NJ | judge One Judge is janice rogers brown, a potential nominee for the supreme court, she will side with the governemnt because if she doesn;t no way BUSH nominates her if another seat comes up | |
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crispy
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Oxford, MS | Re: judge Maybe, but Judge Brown has always been considered more libertarian than conservative so there may be a surprise in her vote. | |
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whfsdude
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Washington, DC | Ironic I like how the FCC tries to extent telecommunications laws to a service that they declare is an information service. | |
| | MGP
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Olathe, KS | Re: Ironic Good point! | |
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