Jail Inmates Squeeze Porn Out of CharterUnencrypted VOD streams on same node viewable.... ( old news - 09:58AM Thursday Sep 06 2007) tags: business · cable · Oddities · Charter PipelineInmates at the county jail in Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin, installed a new digital TV with a QAM tuner. While they're only supposed to see the first 21 channels of Charter's lineup, inmates figured out how to access the hard core porn streams that are being sent to Charter customers sharing the same node with the jail. Locals were a little annoyed: "When you've got 24 hours a day, seven days a week to do nothing better than to figure out how to beat the system, a lot of things get found out," says Chippewa County Jail Captain Jim Jerabek. . ."They just played with the remote long enough until they cracked the code to get into the TV and program it so it would scan the channels until they found something they liked," Jerebek says. "It was brought to my attention last night that this issue can occur in systems fed from Motorola based Headends," says a Charter tech in our forums. Several Charter markets are in the process of turning on encryption for the impacted Motorola gear, says another employee.
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Colorado Springs, CO | Porn inside of Prisons Simple fix,
Remove all TV's and the cable from the prison (all prisons and jails)  | |
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| Re: Porn inside of Prisons said by stevephl  :Simple fix, Remove all TV's and the cable from the prison (all prisons and jails) I'd like to see you work as a corrections officer for a day in a jail that had the TV's removed. Actually, I don't think you would last past lunch...............
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Belvidere, NJ | Re: Porn inside of Prisons LOL! How true indeed.
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| Re: Porn inside of Prisons The reality these are criminals who broke the law, believe me they can be controlled, put them in very small rooms, no communications between no bathrooms nothing and let them rot all day, no A/C, no heat. I have seen this method applied overseas and there were a lot more prisoners. Why let the prisoners run the place? It is time we slapped law breakers down as the low life's they are. People have been lead to believe the prisoners are the victims when in reality they are the opposite stop coddling these dredges of society. No Television period, no books, make them suffer in extremely harsh conditions maybe they will rethink their lives as evil doer's other wise they should them be removed permanently from society.
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| Re: Porn inside of Prisons said by stevephl :The reality these are criminals who broke the law, believe me they can be controlled, put them in very small rooms, no communications between no bathrooms nothing and let them rot all day, no A/C, no heat. I have seen this method applied overseas and there were a lot more prisoners. Why let the prisoners run the place? It is time we slapped law breakers down as the low life's they are. People have been lead to believe the prisoners are the victims when in reality they are the opposite stop coddling these dredges of society. No Television period, no books, make them suffer in extremely harsh conditions maybe they will rethink their lives as evil doer's other wise they should them be removed permanently from society. What country do you live in?
This country, the land of the free, jails MORE PEOPLE per capita than do other countries. We jail people for parking tickets and personal domestic disputes. This country is hell bound over board in locking everyone up for spitting in the wrong directions sometimes.
I do agree there are A LOT of people in prison who do bad things.. but there really are two prisons.. there are prisons for lifers and they usually deserve what they got, and then there are people that are supposed to be in what has always been called "the department of CORRECTIONS"...
... corrections. A strange word used less often than "PRISON", right?
Can ANYONE tell me one prison that actually CORRECTS any behavior? ... or can anyone tell me how many people go in for small offenses and come out on the other end even worse off than before?
It's high time people like you learn that prison isn't "revenge"... we did away with that over a century or more ago.
I am by NO MEANS supporting the behavior of MOST of the people in there, but we are NOT, I repeat, NOT a country of sadistic bastards.. and I'm sorry if you take offense to this but the truth is that people like you are what tears down this country. We don't "get even"... they pay their time and we're supposed to be correcting behavior.
"Evil Doer's?" Are you F***ing kidding me with that? You G.W.'s long lost brother or something?
Not every single person in prison is guilty either.. mistakes DO happen.. and people who place these "evil doer's" in prison are sometimes the ones that need to be in those very prisons... or do you not realize that. Until the prison system is run properly and until we have proper checks in place to ensure that those wrongfully convicted are not.. we do NOT TORTURE inmates..
Do you want to know what you get from a society in which you praise and desire? You get the Taliban.. and as you can see, that society failed miserably.
Why don't you take a step back and re-visit yourself. I'm sure you're one of those people who call them self a true Patriotic American.. you're anything BUT. We have something called the Constitution and MOST of us live by it.. one of those rights we have as Americans is not to be treated with cruel and unusual punishment the very actions you condone.
You disgust me.
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| Re: Porn inside of Prisons I don't agree with you very often, but I agree with everything you said here, foursquare. Creating a sub-civilization of people who have lived a chunk of their life cut off from all wider civilization and tormented every day sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.
And if the original correspondent, in this sub-thread, thinks it cannot happen to him, well...someone ain't payin' enough attention. | |
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| Re: Idiotic Socialist ideas "Rehabilitation or corrections just does not work, it only encourages additional violations of the criminal code, ie they return to a life of crime upon their release, and no amount of schools, holding of hands and singing is going to change that, these people are pre-disposed towards criminal behavior and violence from the get go."
Interesting that this world renowned criminologist would make such statements. First of all in the years 1978-1982 i was a juvenile delinquent. I wound up in a reformatory for boys 3 years where i was offered a host of rehabilitation services like word processing, and college credits. I took full advantage and upon my release i continued my education and never looked back until i got my masters degree. I have been gainfully employed the last 20 years paying taxes and bills like the criminologist on this forum. I am sure he did bad things when he was younger he just did not get caught. Rehabilitation does work. I agree that Sexual predators cannot be rehabbed and should be executed. By using his logic though he wants to execute any criminal no matter what the offense. This country is supposed to be a forgiving Christian society. Did he ever go to sunday school? Morons like him only focus on the Child Molesters and career criminals and try to lump all people in jail into these groups. Thats not fair. I am living proof tha rehabilitation does work. And there are many more like me.. | |
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Glen Burnie, MD | Re: Idiotic Socialist ideas So how do you deal with an adult who goes back in multiple times for violent offences?
How about the juvenile who commits murder? | |
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| Liberal socialist?? hahahaha.. you have NO idea Pat. or is it Mr. Robertson?
Look.. you said alot of things in your post(s) that simply are UNTRUE.
1) you lump EVERY person in prison the same. I have disclaimed many times that the hardened criminals are the worst - HOWEVER, OUR CONSTITUTION prevents us from becoming just as bad as them, but you simply don't care. WE DON'T TORTURE. END OF DISCUSSION. There IS NO discussion because our LAWS don't allow it. Look, if I knew with out a shadow of doubt that someone was a murdered, I'd love to see him pay just as much as much as anyone else.. but, we still don't torture.. you know why? Simply because.
2) People DO go to PRISON, not OVER NIGHT HOLDING CELLS, but PRISON for stupid things or is YOUR head stuck in your self centered world? In California, there was a three strikes law for many years. There ARE people serving life sentences for petty crimes.. think $3 worth of candy theft is a reason to lock someone up for life? Your approach destroys families and in all honesty, laws have to and need to make sense. Punishments need to fit the crimes as much as possible.
You'd rather see people hang. Too bad there isn't a law for stupidity.
3) The prison system, my uneducated friend, IS called the "department of CORRECTIONS".. also called "rehabilitation facilities"... what am I missing here? Please seek a GED.
4) You continually sit here and believe that everyone in prison is in fact not able to be rehabilitated... man, you are so mis-informed. While there certainly are many people in the system that are drags on society, but there are still many who aren't. They screwed up, did something stupid, and yes, even some petty crimes, due to over eager laws, do put low level criminals in prison. Should they all be put in a small box with no air or heat? (I can't even believe you said that) and sit to rot for 20 years with out stimulation of ANY kind? You DO realize what that does to the human brain don't you? Well, THAT was a dumb question - of course you don't. All you see is this world through some sort of messed up view that simply isn't true..
People commit crimes for various reasons.. some do so because they are messed up people, some do so because of oppression (or do you not pay attention to what's going on in the rest of the world?) .. there are many reasons for why people commit crimes...
It's apparent that people like YOU are the ones that are screwing up his country.. not me or my side bub. Your type places a single point of view on society and believes there is only one answer.. pitty.. and glad your breed is dying.
bleeding heart liberal am I? No... realistic? yup! and PROUD of it!
I swear to god for your sake that you aren't in the wrong place at the wrong time and get the treatment you so wish one everyone blanket. It is estimated that 3% of the prison population IS innocent and no guilty of the crime they were convicted of... think they deserve the treatment you want? Therefore, our civilized society disagrees with you. THANK GOD!
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Idiotic Socialist ideas Besides, we need to get the common criminals out of the prisons. We need the room for political prisoners.
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| Re: Idiotic Socialist ideas said by KrK :Besides, we need to get the common criminals out of the prisons. We need the room for political prisoners. lol ... good one.
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| Re: Porn inside of Prisons Once again we break down and resort to the old and tired class envy defense, poor people tend to commit more acts of violence, criminal mischief and petty crime, if they were squared away they would not be poor in the first place. Too wipe away the sins of these criminals because some rich dude got caught with his hand in the cookie jar is ludicrous they are still criminals and need to be treated like one. I don't know how many times I crossed paths with an immigrant (not Mexican) from say Asia who legally immigrated to this great county with not much more then the shirt off of his back not speaking English, then ten years later owning his own home, car and in a lot of cases their own business, all due to hard work, not whining or bitching about how tough life is nor demanding benefits from the government and they typically do not end up in jail. | |
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PwnZone | im suprised they got remotes. when I was in prison they confiscated everything. we had nothing metallic. | |
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Colorado Springs, CO | The way it should be then make prisoners pay back every penny of their stay after they are released from jail/prison. Don't like it? Don't do the crime simple as that | |
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| Re: Porn inside of Prisons said by exocet_cm :I did... and it DID NOT WORK! What did the inmates do when there was no tv? Pissed off the guards (ie: us). Luckily it was an "experiment" in only one tier and not jail-wide. Needless to say TVs were brought back. While I understand what you are saying, it does beg the question of just who runs the prison? The Law, or the Lawless?
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| Re: Porn inside of Prisons AS long as corruption exists on the side of the law, the lawless run it. Prison is a place to lock people up and CORRECT behavior.. even those in for life.
However, the environment created by the government, the turning of the backs by the guards for those that are weaker who need protection.. the LAW often empowers the lawless.
MUCH of my family is in civil service (law, fire, etc).. and even many of them believe that there are too many political deals going on and corruption CLEAR UP TO THE WARDENS.
In case anyone didn't notice.. almost an entire juvenile system in the south had to release most all inmates because of the corruption, abuse by guards who were clearly in the wrong, the rape that was over looked by the guards AND often participated by the guards... prison is no fun place.. and I tell ya, if I were in government as a Senator or Rep, I'd be pushing HARD AS HELL for prison reform so that it did what it's intention was and to attempt to eliminate the sometimes power hungry sick people that run them.
Prison, and I'm sure people her can second this, is a system that you want to stay away from. Even people in for the smallest offenses have their lives destroyed by it. It's a system that sucks people in for pretty much life. It ruins more than corrects, and there are plenty of people involved in running it that have napoleon complexes and should themselves be examined.
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| said by thewolfman :I'd like to see you work as a corrections officer for a day in a jail that had the TV's removed. It isn't going to take long for the cable company to fix this problem. Perhaps jails and prisons should just show off-air programming instead?
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Colorado Springs, CO | Re: Porn inside of Prisons The correctional offers should have flooded the cell blocks with water until the miscreants were flooding belly up | |
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| Re: Porn inside of Prisons said by stevephl :The correctional offers should have flooded the cell blocks with water until the miscreants were flooding belly up Who ARE you? Jerry Falwell!? | |
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| Re: Porn inside of Prisons I like the Idea of removing the TV's. But leave the cable there. The cable is still useful.
They need something to wrap around their necks, and hang themselves from the light fixtures.
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| | | | | | stevephl
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| Who are you? Maybe a convicted felon? Your assertion that even those on death row need correcting is hilarious you obviously have no clue to what you are talking about!
Spend some time working with the police in your area, see the devastation caused by criminals, talk with the D.A.'s in your area about the high recidivism rates even in the most liberal prisons where tax payers support college degree programs, vocational training some of the best health care available in this country (better then anything the tax payer receivers) then follow up and see these same criminals back on the street committing crimes once again. Your world view ideology is what is destroying this great country of ours. Notice that I have not brought politics into the debate nor religion, this has nothing to do with religion but with the safety of our families and friends. Peace and love my man
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| Re: Porn inside of Prisons said by stevephl :Who are you? Maybe a convicted felon? Your assertion that even those on death row need correcting is hilarious you obviously have no clue to what you are talking about! NEVER been to prison, NEVER been to jail, NEVER a speeding ticket, NEVER a parking ticket...
Sorry to disappoint you.
Spend some time working with the police in your area, see the devastation caused by criminals, talk with the D.A.'s in your area about the high recidivism rates even in the most liberal prisons where tax payers support college degree programs, vocational training some of the best health care available in this country (better then anything the tax payer receivers) then follow up and see these same criminals back on the street committing crimes once again. YOU DON'T GET IT! You are lumping ALL criminals as condemned. I never ONCE said give them a break or give them ALL a break. You can't get off of this one size fits all mentality! Dude, its obvious YOU are clueless. Do you or have you EVER been near a prison? Ever heard of the different wings or blocks? Do you not get Discovery channel? They have prison shows on all the time. Based on the crime, your time, and your behavior, you get placed into a block or wing.. there are also maximum, medium, and light security.. even the system knows there are different kinds of criminals.
YOU, however, continue to sit here and talk about killers and sex criminals (which need maximum security) and then use the words "all of them scumbags"...
You also love using talking point terms which you have NO idea what they mean.. "word view"... please.. tell me what that means.. "liberal prisons".. so now you making things up? You REALLY believe that prisoners get the ultra health care? Being a "tax payer" has NOTHING to do with health care in this country. You don't have to be a tax paying citizen to receive the basic of health care. There are people that don't work that don't need to and can go years with out having to pay taxes and it still makes no difference on the quality of health care. You pay taxes when you work. If I have $500K in the bank and choose not to work.. guess what.. no taxes to pay. You're delirious now. And not to mention, on the topic of health care.. if society locks them up which we retain the right to.. then society burdens the costs to care for them too.
This leads me to another point.. oh screw it.. read the constitution. I don't want to coddle anyone.. but I will live by our constitution which says "no cruel and unusual punishment"..
This certainly DOES have to do with your religion..
Your world view ideology is what is destroying this great country of ours. Notice that I have not brought politics into the debate nor religion, this has nothing to do with religion but with the safety of our families and friends. Peace and love my man
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| Re: Porn inside of Prisons said by bronxlcsw :I think stevephl should be allowed to express his feelings from the computer room at HDM or Building C76 at Rikers Island. If you were there 2 days your asshole would be bigger than the Holland Tunnel. You would instantly become a "Maytag" Prison slang for someones Bitch. In prison we had a term for people like you, cell ganster. the inmate who pops his mouth off while behind a cell but quiet as a mouse when out of the cell. This guy is a cyber ganster. Popping off behind the anonymity of the internet but afraid to go to a prison and express his views. He probably looks at kiddie porn all day. I believe this post indicates you are actually not rehabilitated. | |
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| Re: Porn inside of Prisons "I believe this post indicates you are actually not rehabilitated."
Ah no... Hows this... 25 years post Detention 2 Masters Degrees and currently Phd candidate. Not rehabilitated? Yeah anything you say pal. You should feel good. The New York State Department of corrections did its Job. The system worked. I am living proof. I also learned my lesson. As a previous poster mentioned, god forbid you are in the wrong place or wrongly accused of a crime. You will suffer the fate that you so proudly champion. | |
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| said by bronxlcsw :I think stevephl should be allowed to express his feelings from the computer room at HDM or Building C76 at Rikers Island. If you were there 2 days your asshole would be bigger than the Holland Tunnel. You would instantly become a "Maytag" Prison slang for someones Bitch. In prison we had a term for people like you, cell ganster. the inmate who pops his mouth off while behind a cell but quiet as a mouse when out of the cell. This guy is a cyber ganster. Popping off behind the anonymity of the internet but afraid to go to a prison and express his views. He probably looks at kiddie porn all day. Are you suggesting that the people in prison didn't commit a crime to be there? Are you suggesting that individuals should enter a prison to "express" their views? How would one go about doing that without breaking the law, anyway? You were absent on the day God made brains. | |
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Lakeland, FL | hmmm... Let them have it for a month... see if prison violence drops. Then again, it's wrong that criminals have something that law abiding citizens on the outside have to pay for. | |
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00001 | it's hot time in them prisons! I say let them watch... just handcuff them with their hands behind thier backs and force them to watch while under a cold shower!
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| Prison isnt prison anymore. What happened to the good old days with chain gangs and guards with shotguns watching them like hawks. Making them repay their debt to society, instead of making society furnish them with room, board, food drink, cable tv, weight rooms, libraries and porn.. Make them grow their own food if they want to eat, make them work if they want to lift weights, Cable tv? libraries? Hit them in the head with a fookin bat, this is prison not college. All prison is now is hoodlum daycare..
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| Re: I Thought... A couple people here apparently know it does. Most people go catatonic after a day without broadband, try a month without even a watch. I'm sure plenty of forum readers are thinking back to a "time" in their lives and are LOLing about this.. Ah, memories. | |
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| when i was locked up We could purchase 2 tv's. One was black and white the other was a 10 inch color TV but we did not have cable we had whatever the Antenna picked up which wasent much.. But each inmate could have there own.. Once a bucnh of us were sent into the gym due to over crowding however they had one tv in the main hall which everybody congrigated to so we could watch Jerry Springer | |
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| Re: jail porn Cause there are too many people in Jail that are sick in the head... having porn would only compound the problem.
I'v worked at the provincial correctional center here... and there is a strict policy... no porn or men's magazine's allowed... period.
They also banned smoking sometime last year. | |
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| sbcretired
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Scottville, MI | Mission Statement of a Prison I used to occasionally work at a Max Security prison, there was a statement of mission at the sign in area.
Inmates are sent to the Oaks (name of Prison) as punishment not for punishment. | |
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| Whatever happened to broadcast TV? Since when is it cruel and unusual punishment to require prison inmates to watch broadcast television?
The ridiculous debate in this thread seems to be a case of the Fallacy of the Excluded Middle in which the penological alternatives seem to be limited to allowing the incarcerated wankers of Chippewa Falls to view video porn without limit or only allowing them restroom privileges on alternate weekends.
Perhaps a compromise - in which the coaxial cable leading to the cell block at Chippewa Falls County Jail is replaced by flimsy aluminized Mylar foil attached through a balun to the antenna connector on the television, so that the inmates' viewing options are limited to high-definition digital broadcasts of a non-salacious nature - is in order.
See how easy that was? Forcing those degenerates to suffer through Rick Steves' travelogues on public television should cut down on the recidivism problem nicely. | |
| James_C
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| Big Friggin' Deal So what if they can see some pron? Oh you uptight Americans, so eager to ban all sexuality then dish it out only as some kind of reward under a sheet.
In case you didn't know, most people don't stay in prison until they die, it is in everyone's best interests to structure inmate time such that they have a system of learning responsible behavior, social and job skills, and to be rewarded for these accomplishments.
I hate to break it to you but if pron is what they want to watch, they'll consider it a reward, a motivational tool.
Treating human beings like crap doesn't teach them any lesson, only providing an example of how they will end up treating others once released. No matter how much you want to hate someone that broke a law, in the end this kind of justifiable revenge just perpetuates the problem instead of finding a good solution that can return these inmates into society as contributing members instead of being put back in prison again where your tax dollars have to pay for it all. | |
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| Move to Cuba You hardliners make me laugh. The type of prison you advocate is in Cuba and former eastern Bloc nations where we coincidently send terrorist suspects to be tortured. If this is the type of society you want to live in then by all means move there... I will gladly purchase a ticket for you. | |
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