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If Only Rome Could See Us Now....
join:2001-01-25
Gainesville, GA
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| but Doesn't that ultimately cost them a lot of money? If people were doing their part, they should have been running a deficit by now instead of 400% profits vs in the year 2000 when they were making less..
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join:2000-08-12
Spring, TX
| Re: but Who cares? Then something better will come along. If the RIAA and MPAA had a corner on the market of innovation, they'd be too busy raking in the cash to have time for such silly games.
Instead, they blame file sharers for their reduced incomes, as if cutting off all file sharing would increase their bottom line (it wouldn't). | |
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@nv.us | The RIAA should know that..... Resistance is futile | |
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strict_machine
@61.8.x.x | Re: It's okay yes, of course it is poisoning them, it will try anything, so we must not be surprised.
bring it on. they will never win this battle, nor the war.
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Pirate515
Premium
join:2001-01-22
Brooklyn, NY
|  Re: Mutually Assured Destruction
said by TK Junk Mail  :But in the end, as more and more users get frustrated, the use of these sites for copyrighted materials goes down - a win for the **AA's. Piracy will always exist no matter what **AAs do. As they kill some means of getting free stuff, newer and better ones come along to take their place. **AAs should concentrate on producing quality content at reasonable prices instead of playing this neverending cat-and-mouse game.
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jehu
Premium
join:2002-09-13
MA
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| Re: Mutually Assured Destruction Piracy will always exist for the dedicated pirates. The RIAA doesn't care about them. The object is to frustrate the casual pirate which is a very reachable goal.
Piracy has always been "acceptable" as long as it remained a somewhat difficult process that a relatively small % of people will go through. It is futile to try and stop them. However it's easy and worth the time to target casual, non-technical users who, after a few bad downloads, will give up the game.
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elpikachupacabra
@172.20.x.x
| Last I checked, the long-time, non-English private BT sites I frequent are still up. None have gone down. Must be a bitch if you can only prosecute when you understand what's going on, eh.
I'll give you a hint... Vietnamese, Thai, Korean, Russian... think those guys aren't into the scene as well? lmao good luck to the xxAA trying to smoke those guys out when they can't even understand what they're swapping. | |
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JazzJRabbit
join:2003-09-27
Wheaton, IL | How effective is it going to be in the long run? Meh... More than likely this will just push people to trusted websites and forums where all torrent links are guaranteed not to be fake. | |
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@70.104.x.x
| 3000 Out of Millions Well, if 3000 people acutally download the crap and get frustrated, too bad on them.. pay apple $1.00 per song, then. Other than that, its a music paradise.. you can even find obscure titles out there these days... and anything that gets popular to the tune of 3,000 people downloading it, is probably a mild hit 
Also, this is a spoiler tactic, because alot of law-suits in mid-western cities and towns are bouncing bigger than those peasly little royalty checks that go out to the artists, and the ones that are good, take an extra-LOOONG time to cash, heh, heh, heh...
Also it seems alot harder to sue Mom and /or the children, hmm.. wonder why? Besides, a Walmart salary isn't gonna help the RIAA one little bit.
Now we know what the term "heck of a job means", Bush.
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bentman78
Bentley
join:2004-04-16
Arlington, VA
·Comcast
| Re: 3000 Out of Millions I buy from iTunes and found some songs won't transfer to my iPod. When I see that happen...I download the song from whatever means I find.
I usually don't pirate music. I will download TV shows and watch them because of my schedule, I miss them sometimes. I don't have a tivo and won't pay 12.00 a month for one when I can download the file and watch it..then delete it if I don't want to see it again. To me that's the same as using a VCR. The only time I will try to "pirate" music is one of the following reasons:
My CD's break/get scratched....so on. This is why I usually rip my CD's so I can have a copy, if I didn't I will download it.
I want to listen to one song, then I download one song, If I like it I'll buy it, if not, I delete it..honestly. I have a limited amount of space on my HDD and I don't need it taken up by crap (which is most music is now anyway).
Or I buy it and it won't transfer to my iPod..then I'll download it. I've already bought it anyway so I have no problem downloading it.
Personally, I feel guilty if I steal music without paying, which is why I pay for what I want. I won't buy CD's because it's 12-20 dollars of a couple good songs and the rest is complete rubbish. My other opinion is this, If I download a song and listen to it a few times and hate it..then delete it...the RIAA didn't loose anything anyway. If I didn't download it, then I would have borrowed a CD from a friend to listen to it until I got board of it and given back. The point is I wouldn't have listened to the song in the first place if I had to buy it, so I wouldn't have had any exposure to the artist because I don't listen to the radio (to many commercials) or I wouldn't have bought the CD/song because I got bored of it after two days.
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Mac Bridger
Beat It Again Bill
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join:2001-01-11
Smithton, PA
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| Re: 3000 Out of Millions You make a great point. If the **AAs would consider your logic they may be able to use it to increase their sales. They're too busy looking at all the "sales" they would have had though. To them, every song downloaded would have been a sale.
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@172.20.x.x | Re: 3000 Out of Millions They've been known for saying that even if your legal store-bought copy got scratched or otherwise f'd-up, they'd want you to BUY A REPLACEMENT.
Piece outside! Smash it on them. | |
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packetscan
Premium
join:2004-10-19
Bridgeport, CT
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| Wouldn't put it past them I Think they are doing just this.. Why not? they need to protect them selves from the internet theives..*Apparently*.
On the Other Hand. This is where I'm torn. Because if I'm already getting the same content on cable or satellite (non pay per view ) Then why shouldn't i be able to download it. Why should i be tied to my TV.. When i can Take 4-5 episodes of a Tv show pop it on the hard drive for my flight and be content.
My Fair-Use Rights say i can video tape the content. So I'm adapting the new technology to that right. Why don't they understand this.. I know why.. Because they FEAR that they are going to loose money on advertising.. There entire business model is Horridly flawed.. They apparently make no monies other than advertising ( or so I'm reading) I'll admit i haven't research that in depth. But that Alone is a joke..
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@172.16.x.x | Re: Wouldn't put it past them heh ppl are gonna continue to get free shit and especially if people have tv tuners on your computer just record a show and upload it some where and etc | |
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the_buz
join:2004-02-15
Yorba Linda, CA
| Futile efforts. Is this really the first time the RIAA has resorted to something such as this? You know, the sharing of bogus files to catch copyright infringers in the act? Like the previous poster before me mentioned, there are usually multiple versions of the copy of music/software on any given web site. The best advice I can offer is wait until there are many seeders and read the comments to make sure the file is indeed legitimate. How that torrent had 400 seeders is beyond me.
So what if the torrent is corrupted? It only takes a few hours to redownload it (usually). How much longer do you think it will be before they began attaching malicious code to these corrupted files? Maybe cut a deal with some big name anti-virus creators so they skip over that bit of code in the file? I think it's only a matter of time before they resort to that.
I say they just stick to threatening. It's worked fairly well (with the exception of one person) up until this point. | |
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brooklynman4
join:2004-09-07
Brooklyn, NY | Re: Futile efforts. Let the games begin welcome to the 2005 winter games lol . | |
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join:2005-03-21 | HAY HAY HAY DON'T GIVE THEM ANY IDEAS!!! you know they monitor this site too. By tonight they will probably be on the phone with Norton & McAfee | |
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Transmaster
Onward Through The Fog
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
| Re: Futile efforts. Now there is a thought, Olympic file shareing. The contest would be between teams from the various RIAA's, MPAA's types around the world, and P2P file sharers and hacker types. The rule would be something like track pursuit bicycling. The Bootleg teams would start out with the goal of downloading as many good files as possiable. While the objective of the Recording and movie industary teams would be to make things as hard a possiable for them to do this. Points would be rewarded for how artfully the Bootleg teams manuvered around the road blocks set by the recording/movie teams and the recording/movie industary types would get points for how well they slowed down the downloading, junk files installed, and how fast they where able to catch the bootleggers.
At last a Olyimpic sport for geeks, and Taylor Trolls to gain glory. 
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join:2002-10-15
Philadelphia, PA
| Re: Futile efforts. said by Transmaster :Now there is a thought, Olympic file shareing. The contest would be between teams from the various RIAA's, MPAA's types around the world, and P2P file sharers and hacker types. The rule would be something like track pursuit bicycling. The Bootleg teams would start out with the goal of downloading as many good files as possiable. While the objective of the Recording and movie industary teams would be to make things as hard a possiable for them to do this. Points would be rewarded for how artfully the Bootleg teams manuvered around the road blocks set by the recording/movie teams and the recording/movie industary types would get points for how well they slowed down the downloading, junk files installed, and how fast they where able to catch the bootleggers. At last a Olyimpic sport for geeks, and Taylor Trolls to gain glory. I'd pay to see that! | |
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captokita
Premium
join:2005-02-22
Calabash, NC | Re: Futile efforts. - I'd pay to see that! -
Nah, I'd just download the torrent somewhere.....  | |
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Spore Cloud
I H8 Computers
join:2001-09-09
Burleson, TX
| So I've noticed... I first started noticing this a few weeks ago when I started downloading the HBO show Rome. Not only are there fake torrents the real ones become burdened by fake seeds and garbage data. So much so that I've started using PeerGuardian to block the offenders, mostly by a company called Media Sentry. But it doesn't really matter, in the end I still get my Rome =) | |
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packetscan
Premium
join:2004-10-19
Bridgeport, CT
clubs: | Re: So I've noticed... If you pay your satellite or cable company for HBO their is no reason why you shouldn't be able to get the content via bit torrent.
Again our Fair-Use rights are being impeded.
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
| Re: So I've noticed... Exactly the right point.. But, the **AA's point is all about control. They don't believe in the concept of 'fair-use'. In their mind, there is no such thing as fair-use, you watch the show at their time, in their method, with their products. Hell, these are the same people who think that they deserve a cut of apple's ipod sales, since it's the music that drives the sales.. Wow, aren't they greedy bastards out of touch.
I pay for HBO. I pay over 140.00/month to the media companies. I'll damn well watch anything I can legally receive my way. Commercial free, time shifted, space shifted. If it's stealing, I really just..don't...care.. I feel ripped off enought not to care anymore, as do the majority of people. The **AA's are desperately trying to patch a sinking ship. As more and more people get faster and faster internet connections, their entire business model goes to hell. Once everyone joins a darknet, they are screwed, since the DMCA legally prohibts anyone from cracking into a darknet, (bypassing encryption), so all the web sheriff wanna-be's are left in the dark. Sure, I can't download it from a public site, but once it enters my darknet, it's secure from their probing.
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bentman78
Bentley
join:2004-04-16
Arlington, VA
·Comcast
| That's what my thing is too. Okay, if you don't subscribe to HBO, I can see why they might get mad. I on the other hand do subscribe, and miss the shows I want to see sometimes. Comcrap doesn't update on-demand fast enough, so I will download Rome and watch it...and usually delete it, unless it's really good. If I didn't do that, I'd be taping it on my VCR anyway (as noted earlier, I will not pay 12.00 a month for Tivo or 10 a month for DVR from Comcrap, I give them enough money every month anyhow).
They can try to block it, but I have managed to get it every time. I also do this for Family Guy and American Dad if I miss it. I pay for my cable subscription why shouldn't I be able to watch the shows I want when I want? Whether it's though Tivo/VCR/Bit torrent it's all one and the same to me because I am paying to watch those shows. If they don't like it fine...I just won't have cable, I'll be alright without it.
HBO and other premium stations should offer a download service for subscribers. Something you have to log into to download. I'd do that over downloading via BT if I had a choice. Like I said, I pay my hard earned cash for a sub par service anyway, I am going to watch the TV shows I like when I want to watch them...not when HBO or Fox tells me too. | |
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elpikachupacabra
@172.20.x.x | Re: So I've noticed... They keep pushing reasonable users like yourself until we all become frustrated and start downloading anyway out of spite. | |
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frogli
join:2003-10-12
Yaphank, NY | lawsuit could someone download that file, copyright it, then file a law suit against the record company for trading it. haha | |
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AtomicZero
join:2004-11-24
West Palm Beach, FL | Re: lawsuit no not really. maybe if the file damages their computer or something. | |
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mrchris
Premium
join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY | hm How long before our brainless/zombie/RIAA sheep Taylor will show up to spout his near-scriptlike propaganda about tossing pirated in jail blahblahblah? | |
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kangabil
Do It Now, Do It Right
Premium
join:2005-05-15
Australia | Re: hm I'm waiting for you Taylor
Where are yooooo??????
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wilburyan
join:2002-08-01 | Private trackers Try one... I know for a fact that if I post bogus material at oink.me.uk I'll get a warning... do it again and it'll result in a ban. | |
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cableties
Premium
join:2005-01-27
Levittown, PA
| Sue RIAA for bandwidth spam... Now isn't this irony?
RIAA is actually hogging bandwidth (Torrent) with illegal (to whom?) files (sabotage). I bet they even (in their arrogance) factor in these files as illegal downloads that affect their bottom line. "these illegal fileswapping networks are costing us millions of dollars"
Right.
I wouldn't be surpriseed if their files have cost innocent folks hundred of dollars in support because the computer owner was unaware their children were using this stuff (I know this as I've had to bail many parents, and inform them, of their teen's music swapping...and most are unaware what their friend's told them to install...honest...I've seen it. Could have bought a new Dell for the cost..yet cheaper than a RIAA strong-arm guilt threat)
It is so simple: CD prices need to be $5.99 and $9.99 (doubles). This BS of setting a low "intro" price then jacking it up after 14 days is WHY the music industry must dry up and change its model. Why not make the CDs $14.99 for first 2 weeks, then $9.99 after? BS I tell ya.
(sorry for the rant. Just irks me that rather than selling like GM is now, RIAA is about greed. And don't preach to me about economics and entertainment as GNP, they still can't stop the pirates that make dupes RIGHT under the CD Press house noses...or the movie dupes BEFORE the film hits screeners!)
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Pandora rocks
Premium
join:2005-05-31
Fayetteville, NC
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| What a waste of time Hey **AA, why don't you concentrate on producing quality music at a low price with no DRM, I'm sure that'll stop the file-sharing. Instead you go and try stuff like this. It's futile. Stop trying to blame file-sharing for your "loss" in profits. In fact, there are sources that indicate that albums sales are up. So is file-sharing really hurting you? Or is it just greed?
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join:2005-02-05
Jackson, TN
| Re: What a waste of time I think that they have all this money they need to spend. A lot like banks building branches they don't need, just because they need to use some of their profits.
It would be logical to spend their excess profits on producing more and better product at better pricing. But it is easier to hire someone to corrupt the networks.
A middle manager with no clue can then present proof that he has hindered the 'loss of profits' from file exchange. Doesn't have to be real or beneficial.
The harm done to the Internet (bandwidth) and to the legitimate use of file sharing doesn't really count if you really don't care. | |
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BVT
join:2004-10-25
Mount Juliet, TN
| Entrapment? Intent? They cannot legally offer those REAL files for download then sue you for downloading them. We can share all the bad files we want and be safe from the **AAs. They may be using this as a means to get a database of IPs of downloaders. If that person tried to download enough files, that would probably be enough for a criminal prosecution of intent.
Not very good with my laws, I think that is the 2 right ones. | |
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join:2003-03-11
Louisville, KY
·Insight Communicat..
| the reason it worked.. the reason it worked on kazaa was because noone had the brains to delete the bogous files but on bittorrent its not up the tusers its up to the trackers and search sites so once someone says HEYYYY this files bogous someone just presses the delete button and the torrent is removed. they can try as hard as they want but if they just keep an eye out then their uploading will become futile | |
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xpandergt
join:2004-07-10
Baltimore, MD
| We are the scapgoats Here is a concept. How about the create better content at an affordable price. Nobody is telling the movie industry to pay a bunch of non talent actors and actresses $20 million dollars to star in a movie. I don't watch much movies anymore, because I refuse to pay ten bucks to see poor quality movies. The movie industry's slump is not due to piracy, but to the high prices the movie theaters charge. Hell haven't even mentioned the ripoff prices for popcorn, sodas etc. Also nobody told the motion picture company to have a movie budget of around $100 million per movie. Maybe if they stopped using all those special effects and concentrated on a decent script, they wouldn't be in a slump today. Bottom line, using us as the scape goat isn't going to boost their bottom line. | |
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Bentley
join:2004-04-16
Arlington, VA
·Comcast
| Re: We are the scapgoats well said...
I refuse to go to the theaters to see anything because the movies they realise now suck. Wedding Crashers was alright, I paid to see it. I won't download movies from he internet and watch them either because of the poor quality.
I like Wedding Crashers, that's the only one. I saw War of the Worlds, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, and a few others and you know what? I want my 10 bucks back for each one because they were filled with so many plot holes and terrible acting I wouldn't buy it on DVD. If the movie sucks you should only have to pay 1.00.
Also it's like you said, I never said Hollywood should pay these no-talent arrogant hacks 20 mil a picture anyway. | |
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Obliteration
Premium
join:2005-09-18
Somewhere | How do you infect a private group? Poisoning torrents won't do squat. There are still many free programs that can do the same. Even private groups out there with a IP check and need of recommendation from someone to even get in. | |
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Premium
join:2003-03-20
Canfield, OH
clubs: | It can be good... Good, this will get all the noobs off of BT and let the real users (read: sharers) get all the good stuff.
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join:2004-08-07
Beverly Hills, CA
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| Private Tackers ..yeah! Thats why its best to stick with PRIVATE trackers and NOT PUBLIC tackers/torrent sites | |
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October 5th, @07:21PM
| F**K Sent by Media Sentry concerning Rome:
RE: Unauthorized Distribution of the Copyrighted Television Program Entitled
Rome
Dear DMCA Agent:
We are writing this letter on behalf of Home Box Office, Inc. ("HBO").
We have received information that an individual has utilized the above-referenced IP address at the noted date and time to offer downloads of copyrighted television program(s) through a "peer-to-peer" service, including such title(s) as:
Rome
The distribution of unauthorized copies of copyrighted television programs constitutes copyright infringement under the Copyright Act, Title 17 United States Code Section 106(3).
Since you own this IP address, we request that you immediately do the following:
1) Disable access to the individual who has engaged in the conduct described above; and
2) Take appropriate action against the account holder (if other than the individual whose access has been disabled) under your Abuse Policy/Terms of Service Agreement.
On behalf of HBO, owner of the exclusive rights to the copyrighted material at issue in this notice, we hereby state, that we have a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by HBO, its respective agents, or the law.
Also, we hereby state, under penalty of perjury, under the laws of the State of New York and under the laws of the United States, that the information in this notification is accurate and that we are authorized to act on behalf of the owner of the exclusive rights being infringed as set forth in this notification.
Please direct any end user queries to the following address:
Steve Rosenthal
Legal Department
Home Box Office, Inc.
1100 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY 10036
212.512.1780 =E2=80=93 phone
212.512.5854 =E2=80=93 fax
mailto:infringements@hbo.com">infringements@hbo.com=E2=80=93 email
Kindly include the Case ID 93891346, also noted above, in the subject line of all future correspondence regarding this matter.
We appreciate your assistance and thank you for your cooperation in this matter. Your prompt response is requested.
Respectfully,
Mark Weaver,
Director of Enforcement
MediaSentry, Inc.
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Infringement Detail:
Infringing Work: Rome
Filepath: Rome.S01E06.HDTV.XviD-LOL.[eztv].torrent
Filename: Rome.S01E06.HDTV.XviD-LOL.avi
First Found: 3 Oct 2005 10:28:34 EDT (GMT -0400)
Last Found: 3 Oct 2005 10:28:34 EDT (GMT -0400)
Filesize: 359,196k
IP Address: XX.XX.XX.XX
IP Port:
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Mutually Assured Destruction
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