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FTCXtreme
join:2005-03-14
New Braintree, MA | shipper? | |
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Home Sweet Home Maryland
join:2003-07-10
Baltimore, MD | Re: Yet another yuppie making mention when originally created it was to be free.. | |
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golden eagle
Aquila chrysaetos
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golden eagle
Aquila chrysaetos
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
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Tulsa, OK | It's a luxury utility.
Last thing we want is it declared as a RIGHT, because that means people who refuse to pay for it will demand we pay for it for them. | |
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91439306
15,000 Watts of Bass Power
join:2002-10-16
New Milford, CT
| Way back when, on the farm, we didn't have electricity, running water, and Television hadn't been invented yet. You got your water by a manual pump at the well, and you carried it in the house in buckets. We heated with wood that we chopped ourselves. We used candles and oil (hurricane) lanterns for light, but most activity ceased at dusk anyway.
Telephone? You went down to the General Store and used the phone there. There was no dial, no pushbuttons, either. You turned a crank. And a live person would come on the line and ask what party you wanted to reach.
Yep, telephone was a luxury, and so was electricity and running water. We lived just fine without them for the first 60,000,000 years of the human race.
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The Monkey
I like bananas
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New York, NY
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| said by Network Guy  :Broadband isn't a right nor is it a utility, it's a convenience and a valuable resource. If you cannot unplug yourself from the coax or the phone line to go about your daily business, you are in dire need of a life. What on earth are you talking about? Email and the telephone ARE daily business for most people. A job where you could unplug from both sounds like a luxury to me.
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| Asmodeus1
join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA
| A What...? Listen, the ability to access the internet regardless of method is a LUXURY!!! period... everytime government decides to step in to subsidize or provide a service, it more than likely ends up becoming a failure and people who use it become ingrained with the idea that they are now entitled to it... | |
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Murray
join:2001-03-06
Texas
| Re: A What...? said by Asmodeus1 :Listen, the ability to access the internet regardless of method is a LUXURY!!! period... Yup. I don't see how it could possibly be deemed a Utility.
I could survive without Broadband... but would not fair so good without water, electricity, etc. | |
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Karl
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
Host:
Road Runner
PC gaming GAMES
PC gaming Tech
| Re: A What...? How about in five to fifteen years, when your copper is gone, and a single fiber or coaxial line runs into your basement and fuels everything, including your phone, television, stove, and grandpa's iron lung?
Does basic data connectivity stay in the "luxury" category then? | |
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IamZed
Premium
join:2001-01-10
Dayton, OH
| Re: A What...? Exactly. Electricity was a luxury once. A phone was a luxury once. Running water was a luxury once. People who think fiber is a luxury can’t see past tomorrow, and shouldn’t be allowed to plan it.
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join:2000-08-25
New York
 ·Verizon Online DSL
 ·Vonage
·Optimum Online
| Re: A What...? Once it becomes standard, as in the rural communities also run it, then I'd call that a utility. Current trend seems to be rollouts in the major metropolitan and surrounding areas only, and to me that's considered a convenience, not something to count or rely on. | |
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GlobalMind
Domino Dude, POWER Systems Guy
Premium
join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL
| Re: A What...? But isn't that exactly what happened with the aforementioned items: running water, electricity, phone service.
Metro areas were first served, and rurals second. That alone does not discount something being deemed a utility.
I am of the opinion that broadband is not yet at the level of utility, but it is well on it's way to becoming so. Evidenced partially by the fact that established "utility companies" such as TELCOs are major providers of service. Eventually the connectivity will just be one line, and THAT single connection will be a utility.
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join:2002-12-06
Tucson, AZ
| said by IamZed :Exactly. Electricity was a luxury once. A phone was a luxury once. Running water was a luxury once. People who think fiber is a luxury can’t see past tomorrow, and shouldn't’t be allowed to plan it. I like that. | |
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neosolace
Stay In It
join:2003-08-25
Verbena, AL
| IMO... Although it isn't QUITE to the point where it should be a utility yet..Karl is right. This is no different than rural phone,electrification, and even gas service was in the earlier part of last century. Although I don't completely trust the idea of competing with muni operations, I do think that the government will HAVE to get involved (maybe not just in the ways everyone thinks) to get broadband to the masses. There's just no simple, easy way to do it. I think that if carefully planned out and overseen, a government (or otherly financed) operation could benefit everybody. | |
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wifi4milez
In Need Of Garbage Pail Kids 1st Series
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
| said by Karl :How about in five to fifteen years, when your copper is gone, and a single fiber or coaxial line runs into your basement and fuels everything, including your phone, television, stove, and grandpa's iron lung? How exactly is fiber going to "fuel" my stove?? I do agree with your other examples however.
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News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Re: A What...? I'd guess it's fairly sound to believe a lot of appliances will be connected to the internet to aid self or remote diagnostic repair, update firmware, and sell marketing companies information on how often you do X, or eat Y..... | |
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Premium,ExMod 2002-05
join:2001-01-09
Cambridge, MA
clubs:
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| Re: A What...? They have ovens in development (or maybe that you can buy now, I dunno) that you can program when to start baking, or even to refrigerate something until 4 PM and then heat it up in time for dinner, etc.
Doesn't seem like much of a stretch to be plugged in so you set it remotely from phone or office. "We'll be home in half an hour, let me call the oven and start the lasagna baking."
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Aggie Dan
Stop... Reverse That.
Premium
join:2001-01-30
Frisco, TX
clubs: | Re: A What...? I dunno. That sounds like a luxury to me. | |
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Sarah
Premium,ExMod 2002-05
join:2001-01-09
Cambridge, MA
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| Re: A What...? said by Aggie Dan :I dunno. That sounds like a luxury to me. I just meant to answer the poster who said "how will fiber fuel my stove".
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Part Of The Problem
join:2001-09-27
Dayton, OH
clubs:
| said by Karl :I'd guess it's fairly sound to believe a lot of appliances will be connected to the internet to aid self or remote diagnostic repair, update firmware, and sell marketing companies information on how often you do X, or eat Y..... I believe point # 4. Everything else is rubbish.
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Premium,MVM
join:2000-10-28
| Pithy comments from some of you, and I'm somewhat inclined to agree, but isn't it a little early to judge?
I mean, why pick broadband as the next must-have utility (to be granted special consideration by state and legislative planning), rather than wireless networks? Or cell phones? Or satellite? Or iPods or that frickin' Segway?
All kinds of stuff is important to our current way of life, and all kinds of stuff MAY have enormous importance to the majority going forward. But who's to say which ones are the proto-utilities?
Heck, few things are more pervasive than supermarkets and cell phones, and I don't see much real regulation or city ordinances targeted at either.
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News Guy
join:2000-03-02
Host:
Road Runner
PC gaming GAMES
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| Re: A What...? Not sure which comments are pithy.
Simply putting forth the seemingly ignored future-fact that home data, in very short order, will be one-pipe that connects to all manner of electronics, connecting everything in the home to a global network, and largely a necessity for anyone not hiding out on the fringe's of society. (Which I grant is always a choice - and maybe in 10 years a wise one)
I don't know if that observation justifies subsidization or anything else, simply throwing the concept on the table. | |
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Premium,MVM
join:2000-10-28
| Re: A What...? said by Karl :Simply putting forth the seemingly ignored future-fact that home data, in very short order, will be one-pipe that connects to all manner of electronics, connecting everything in the home to a global network, and largely a necessity for anyone not hiding out on the fringe's of society. (Which I grant is always a choice - and maybe in 10 years a wise one) I don't know if that observation justifies subsidization or anything else, simply throwing the concept on the table. And I'm just saying that the "observation" isn't necessarily a sure thing. Who's to say that in fact we're headed for that particular future?
I don't disagree with the likelihood, but I'm naive enough to realize that we can be completely wrong -- what if wired broadband is an also-ran in the history books, and some form of wireless connectivity becomes paramount? What if, us geeky enthusiasts aside, the global net really DOESN'T become as all-important and all-consuming as we think it will be? The future is inevitable, but particular technologies and social developments aren't.
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News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Re: A What...? Nothing is certain, of course. But I'd put the likelyhood of pervasive high-bandwidth home networks up there statistically with Paris Hilton not getting a Nobel peace prize. | |
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John Galt
Premium
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Oceanside, OR
| said by B :...or that frickin' Segway? (Homer Simpson voice....)
Segway....!
(cut to Homer zooming around town, wreaking havoc and destruction...)
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captokita
Premium
join:2005-02-22
Calabash, NC
| --I'd guess it's fairly sound to believe a lot of appliances will be connected to the internet to aid self or remote diagnostic repair, update firmware, and sell marketing companies information on how often you do X, or eat Y...--
LOL! Can you see it? You go to cook dinner, and a pop up window comes up on the stove.. "Before you cook your dinner, please click here for info to enlarge your......sausage." Dinner sausage! Get your minds out of the gutter people!  Or someone hacked into it and overcooks your food.
But it's a matter of time before all appliances are "internet ready"
To get this back on topic, right now, the internet, broasband or dialup, is a luxury. One day, that will change. | |
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N3OGH
They both suck, we're so screwed
Premium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
·Verizon Online DSL
| said by Karl :How about in five to fifteen years, when your copper is gone, and a single fiber or coaxial line runs into your basement and fuels everything, including your phone, television, stove, and grandpa's iron lung? Does basic data connectivity stay in the "luxury" category then? When fiber replaces copper everywhere (many years from now), one of 2 things will happen. Either local telcos (or whoever is offering the fiber) will decide it's cheaper to offer their POTS service over an all fiber network, and offer customers voice service only over a fiber connection, or the cost to offer broadband along that existing fiber will be so inexpensive, it will become an add on to whatever replaces the traditional POTS system as we know it.
Some above use the argument that electricity was once a luxury item. While this is true, it is a poor argument. In the time electricity was a luxury, most people heated their homes with coal or wood, and could survive in the cold without electricity. Anyone here have a gas or oil burning heater that doesn't need electricity to fire and circulate heat through your house? I would think not.
A utility is a service you could essentially, die without. In January and February in the northern states, one could freeze to death without heat. One could not live without water, hence water, sewer, electricity are utilities.
The reasoning behind Telephone service being a utility is it is the quickest way to summons aid in an emergency. EG, medical emergency, fire, etc. I think this is specious reasoning at best, considering so many people are ditching their POTS lines. If POTS is such a utility, why are so many people ditching it? Nevertheless, I accept the argument, not necessarily agreeing with it.
Sorry, I don't see where broadband fits into the utility category. I lived my entire life without broadband until 1999 when I was one fo the first people in my neighborhood to get a cable modem. We didn't have cable TV until 1995.
As far as your stove, and grandpa's iron lung, I as of yet to see either one of these devices powered by a broadband connection....
The day you convince me someone would die or freeze without broadband is the day you'll convince me it's a utility. | |
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Sarah
Premium,ExMod 2002-05
join:2001-01-09
Cambridge, MA
clubs:
| Re: A What...? said by N3OGH :A utility is a service you could essentially, die without. That's just a definition you made up, that doesn't make it true.
Dictionary definition of "public utility" from www.m-w.com:
"a business organization (as an electric company) performing a public service and subject to special governmental regulation"
That's all. No one said it has to be a life-saving technology.
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@tele.dk
| drowning in sewage ? btw im sure theres people who have lived without a telephone for a very long time and i think the internet already has become quite popular and useful and it'll only become more essential to our lives..... of course not in a "get it or die" kind of way | |
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Boogeyman
Drive it like you stole it
Premium
join:2002-12-17
Panama City, FL
·Comcast
| Before we had cable tv, we used our DSL to stream weather info and storm warnings. Of course, before we had DSL we used dial up for that, but that was back in 99 before most weather sites became so bloated with excess crap. Anyway, the point is that without that, we would never have known there was a hurricane coming untill it hit.
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| Per your example of people dropping their POTS lines for VoIP - wouldn't that begin to make broadband a utility? After all, if you depend wholly on your VoIP phone for connectivity, then you could potentially die if the connection goes down and you have a life-threatening emergency.
Personally, I don't feel that POTS *OR* broadband should be considered utilities in the same way that gas, electric and water are. The latter provide requirements for living (i.e., the ability to stay warm in the winter and to cook food) The former are simply means to communicate more easily.
However, following the reasoning of POTS being a useful means of getting help in an emergency, it really isn't that far of a leap to make broadband a utility as well. | |
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N3OGH
They both suck, we're so screwed
Premium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: A What...? said by Captain Obvious:
Per your example of people dropping their POTS lines for VoIP - wouldn't that begin to make broadband a utility? I didn't mention VoIP anywhere in my post. I was referring to people ditching POTS lines in favor of wireless phones.
In addition, as I mentioned earlier, I believe it's specious reasoning to consider a POTS line a utility for the reasons mentioned, I simply accept that it's an argument made to classify such service as necessary. | |
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Aggie Dan
Stop... Reverse That.
Premium
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Frisco, TX
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| said by Karl :How about in five to fifteen years, when your copper is gone, and a single fiber or coaxial line runs into your basement and fuels everything, including your phone, television, stove, and grandpa's iron lung? Does basic data connectivity stay in the "luxury" category then? You have to be provided your dial-tone. Plain and simple. They can't just rip up your copper and not replace it. The mandate that there be rural phone service will guarantee that you have phone service. If you have phone service you will have some connectivity to the internet. Admittedly, the speed may stink. But, you'll have connectivity.
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Sarah
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Cambridge, MA
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| said by Murray :said by Asmodeus1 :Listen, the ability to access the internet regardless of method is a LUXURY!!! period... Yup. I don't see how it could possibly be deemed a Utility. I could survive without Broadband... but would not fair so good without water, electricity, etc. How exactly does electricity keep you alive?
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| | john262
join:2003-09-26
Elko, NV | Agreed. I had dialup for several years before getting DSL and at the time I got along with it just fine. It's not that I would want to go back to it now, but it definitely is just a luxury. | |
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Aquaman1940
join:2004-08-10
Chesapeake, VA | What if utilities depend upon it? Then what is it considered?
(Not an argument for it, just a question.) | |
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jerichohol
join:2002-05-12
UK | Re: A What...? Its not a natural utility (as yet :P) water, gas, electricity are all things which you need for a house.
Telephone and Internet - depending on your perspective, I don't think they have reached that stage as yet | |
| | PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
·chambers cable
·Qwest.net
| said by Asmodeus1 :everytime government decides to step in to subsidize or provide a service, it more than likely ends up becoming a failure... Oh yea, that U.S. Highway that got me to work today at 65 mph: what a failure.
That GPS system that got me "unlost" on the trail last weekend, and that allows trucks to be dispatched with the maximum efficiency: pretty much a failure, too.
Those firefighters that saved my neighbors' lives a few months, ago: another failure.
Too bad all the gov't money spent on ARNANET decades ago was such a big waste. I hear it turned into something call the "internet", which nobody uses these days.
If you're going to state ideological absolutes, at least check if they're true first.
Me, i'm more of a pragmatist. Most of the time, market-based forces work best. But even the the most devoted free-market economist will tell you that specific cases of "market failure" exist. In cases, some form of gov't intervention is needed to correct this, whether it takes the form of regulation, incentives, private/public partnering, or outright public ownership.
In most countries, incentives and targeted private/public partnerships seem to work pretty well. But here the "gov't screws everything up" crowd won't let that happen. | |
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Abecedarian
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Arlington, VA
| Re: A What...? said by PDXPLT :said by Asmodeus1 :In most countries, incentives and targeted private/public partnerships seem to work pretty well. But here the "gov't screws everything up" crowd won't let that happen. Yeah, and that's why America has become the wealthiest, most productive country in the world. The "private/public" (read: public, since the distinction between socialist and communist is worthless) partnership in health care really has worked well in Canada, hasn't it, where you have to wait up to nine months to get a cat scan. We'll see how China does trying to take over, but keep in mind, with their system, the people have to oppressed to keep it going. --
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join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
·chambers cable
·Qwest.net
| Re: A What...? said by LegoPower77 :Yeah, and that's why America has become the wealthiest, most productive country in the world. Yup, that's right.
We have the cheapest, most plentiful supply of food in the world, and we have massive government subsidies.
We can move people and goods quickly and efficiently over and extensive government-built system of superhighways.
Everyone has access to electricity, thanks to the Rural Electrification Project and the TVA.
We lead in scientific and technological breakthroughs, thanks in part to large government funding in the NSF.
We used to do these things. They were considered necessary for a wealthy, productive, country. Now people like you label them as "communist". I guess you want the whole country to be like, say, Mississippi. With attitudes like that, places like China and India are going to eat us for lunch in 50 years or so. At least I won't be around to see it. | |
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SpitefulCrow
Insert Witty Tag Here
Premium
join:2003-06-04
Berkeley, CA
| Yeah. That government assistance in extending electricity and water utilities to the public was a failure. Right.
As was the government regulation of telcos that ensured that every area got POTS deployed.
The Internet wouldn't even be around in its current form had the Department of Defense not initiated the creation of ARPANET.
Worst troll ever. | |
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FTCXtreme
join:2005-03-14
New Braintree, MA
| The problem is this, Im am stuck on dial up, and want to get on broadband. Seeing how Verizon has recently told me I coudl get DSL, and I jsut ordered, that may change but tis highly unlikely, as verizon has todl me countless times before, and they lie. There is no cable, in my town, big deal no cable, Cable TV sucks anyway(porn videos have blurss on Cinamax). Is cable a necessity no! Is broaband a necesity, NO! Should I have the right to get affordable(under $50 a month), YES. Broadband is and is not a utility at the same time, I serves the people, but is not essential. Do I need to paly Xbox Live, Socom II, Counter Strike or any other PC games, NO! Do I want to download things fast, and play on Xbox Live YOU BET YOUR ASS I DO! Do I think the US BB penetration ratign @ 16th is BS, yes, I counts BB users, not who can get it and who can't. Soem peopel chose not to get broadband, cause they dont need it or afford it. I do feel, I have the right to get a 768k DSL package, c'mon people, Is it antiruralistic(my new word) yes! This is America, and This is 2005 and im on 1980s technology, knock off the crap and get em to deploy. For the sake of our economoy and our childrens P2P habits. IT ISN'T FAIR, and I a rural customer deserves the same service as some Urban customer. | |
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Shadow01
join:2003-10-24
Wasteland
| Re: A What...? said by FTCXtreme :The problem is this, Im am stuck on dial up, and want to get on broadband. Seeing how Verizon has recently told me I coudl get DSL, and I jsut ordered, that may change but tis highly unlikely, as verizon has todl me countless times before, and they lie. There is no cable, in my town, big deal no cable, Cable TV sucks anyway(porn videos have blurss on Cinamax). Is cable a necessity no! Is broaband a necesity, NO! Should I have the right to get affordable(under $50 a month), YES. Broadband is and is not a utility at the same time, I serves the people, but is not essential. Do I need to paly Xbox Live, Socom II, Counter Strike or any other PC games, NO! Do I want to download things fast, and play on Xbox Live YOU BET YOUR ASS I DO! Do I think the US BB penetration ratign @ 16th is BS, yes, I counts BB users, not who can get it and who can't. Soem peopel chose not to get broadband, cause they dont need it or afford it. I do feel, I have the right to get a 768k DSL package, c'mon people, Is it antiruralistic(my new word) yes! This is America, and This is 2005 and im on 1980s technology, knock off the crap and get em to deploy. For the sake of our economoy and our childrens P2P habits. IT ISN'T FAIR, and I a rural customer deserves the same service as some Urban customer. And this great country that you live in allows you to start that service in your area if no one else will. Just be your own BB provider and quite whining. You could move if BB is that important, we do have to make choices in life sometimes. It's not always about you.... Luxury until the government steps in and creates a universal service of BB and subsidizes deployment to the rural areas. This 'great' move will then create the need for a 'provider of last resort' and then you have the makings of a monopoly and guaranteed returns on investment. | |
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FTCXtreme
join:2005-03-14
New Braintree, MA
| Electricity is not needed for life, You can live without electricity, but it was funny watchign all them New Yorkers walk down the street during the blackout, Then the news keeps on sayign it was SO HORRIBLE, OH NO I CAN'T TURN ON A LIGHT! I can see in instance of a hospital its bad, but for regular life? Seriously. As for running water, what do you mean by running water? A town selling you water? Out here we do not have town provided water and have WELLS, I can see town provided water is necesary for anypalce over 5,000 population.As for phone, I is not essential but its damn good to have, and is not a luxery. As for Internet, Internet is not a luxery, and not a necessarily needed item, but it is necessary for many things. As for apliances on this internet, WHY? Why would you need your washer on the internet? Your stove? Dryer, Dish Washer? I do not see the need to connect to the internet to wash you cloths, dish, cook some eggs, and have a cup of coffee. To me it just doesn't seem practical, say soemone hacks into your stove, and turns the gas on, you wake up go to cook soem eggs BAM! your house blows up. Of course you know this will happen, everythign will becoem internet oriented, and broadband will be necessary, for everyday life. IT WILL HAPPEN IT JUST A MATTER OF TIME! | |
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Captain Obvious
| Re: A What...? Dude, the knowledge of how to survive just doesn't get passed on to city dwellers. That is why these services are so critical. Without power, a whole host of systems go down in a large city. People are at much greater risk, especially in the summer or winter. The same goes for water and gas.
Essentially, without these services, cities would fall apart just like they did in the middle ages - of disease and death. The elderly and the very young would die off first, but eventually the disease would become so rampant that people would be forced to flee. It might not be so bad in the spring or autumn, but eventually the heat and cold would set in, and it would all start to fall apart.
So, perhaps in your (most likely) rural area, you may be able to do without - but for most people, it isn't much of an option.
That said, I am a hiker, so I have a water purification system, hiking stove, and the knowledge of how to get on quite nicely with minimal supplies. However, I would say I am a fairly rare type around here. | |
| klinker
join:2002-08-27
Schenectady, NY | Depends on your circumstances. If you consider telephone a utility then a VOIP user mig |
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