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| Re: Only Verizon and i am awaiting the posts from the local RIAA lovers that will come out and accuse Verizon of "Aiding the cause of piracy" because they wont play internet mall security guard.
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pleekmo
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| My Suspicions I suspect that one reason they aren't admitting is that not only will the ISPs receive negative PR but you can just bet that eventually one or more will be sued for this practice.
I suspect that first in line will be the EFF suing to learn the identity of these participating ISPs and to learn the details of the participation.
I suspect that an affected user will eventually sue and here is where things will get interesting during discovery.
I suspect that some lawyer will eventually argue that such participation negates the ISP's safe harbor protection. This may also make things interesting.
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| It won't be a secret for long If this policy goes into effect, it will have to be communicated to ISP employees who have the authority to terminate users. Frontline support may also need to know so they'll know who to refer terminated users to when they call in. Therefore, it's only going to be a matter of time before someone leaks this info to a discussion board, either here or somewhere else. | |
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tmccann11
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| Cablevision Not sure if this was just added, or always there, but Cablevision's OOL Acceptable Use Policy was updated yesterday and I noticed the following:
Network Management
Cablevision reserves the right to use a changing variety of reasonable network management techniques including but not limited to (i) allocating a fixed maximum amount of bandwidth to non-subscribers seeking to upload peer-to-peer files from Subscribers; (ii) utilizing STM technology to prioritize traffic during times of peak congestion; and (iii) implementing filtering and spam detection techniques to manage reliable email sources and mitigate spam. In limited instances, these techniques may affect the throughput rate at which Subscribers may send and receive data, non-subscribers' ability to establish session connections within the network (such as peer-to-peer sessions), or result in the delay of certain traffic during times of peak congestion
Again, this may have been there already, but I noticed it today.
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Bridgeport, CT | Re: Cablevision This has been there for years.
Cv only sends out letters to pirates saying they got caught. They don't tell RIAA/MPAA anything. They won a privacy lawsuit. | |
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USA |  If you don't deny the practice when asked...
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koma3504
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North Richland Hills, TX | Wishing Wishing someday I will be able to get verizon. | |
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Wheaton, IL | Re: Wishing No kidding. I wish FIOS would come to IL. Looks like Verizon had some plans in 2006 and as late as 2008, but it seems the project was abandoned. If they did deploy FIOS here I'd switch the day it was available. | |
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| Tainted "journalism" A good example of how to mislead people by a simple word choice, without actually lying:
"ISPs Won't Admit Participation In New RIAA Plan"
With that headline, Karl has immediately implied that the ISPs are doing something shady, but just won't come clean about it. Regular readers of the news here know that Karl gets off on sticking it to big ISPs, especially where piracy issues are concerned, so he's taken this news story and spun it in such a way that it accomplishes his goals. He also creates the impression that he's smarter than everyone else and knows what's really going down, so we should listen to him on everything else.
Why not a headline like "ISPs Decline to Comment on New RIAA Plan"? Because that's a bit too nebulous and doesn't allow for editorial bias to enter the discussion.
That's actually what happened -- Verizon said "no," and the rest of the ISPs says "No Comment".
In other news, "Karl Bode Won't Admit Cheating on Taxes". | |
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| Re: Tainted "journalism" said by jester121  :With that headline, Karl has immediately implied that the ISPs are doing something shady, but just won't come clean about it. Some of them ARE. Unless of course the RIAA is flat out lying, which wouldn't be unprecedented. | |
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jmn1207
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| As a consumer, I believe the ISP's are in bed with the RIAA unless they come out and claim otherwise, like Verizon has done. If you are a lobbyist or work for one of these ISP's in some capacity, perhaps your interests are better served on the side of the conglomerates and their secretive stance.
Their decision to keep silent is at least suspicious, especially considering that the RIAA has claimed it has been working closely with several large ISP's. We know Verizon is not one of them. That leaves the rest of them that refuse to talk. Karl is simply stating what is obvious to many of us.
If I want to read a story about how everything is grand and beautiful with an ISP, I can just catch a commercial or read one of their press releases. I'm not sure how you can justify this as being tainted journalism. | |
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| Re: Tainted "journalism" said by jmn1207 :As a consumer, I believe the ISP's are in bed with the RIAA unless they come out and claim otherwise, like Verizon has done. If you are a lobbyist or work for one of these ISP's in some capacity, perhaps your interests are better served on the side of the conglomerates and their secretive stance. Nope, not a lobbyist, just a guy. Nice try with the standard BBR attack method though! Anyone who supports the big ISP is a fanboi or astro-turf specialist, right?
said by jmn1207 :Their decision to keep silent is at least suspicious, especially considering that the RIAA has claimed it has been working closely with several large ISP's. Suspicious to a suspicious mind maybe, when you're closed minded enough to assume that every ISP is evil (except Verizon somtimes, maybe). said by jmn1207 :We know Verizon is not one of them. No you don't. You know that someone at Verizon denies that they are participating. See, that's what the actual NEWS story is. "So-and-so said this, while those guys said 'no comment'". That's it. said by jmn1207 :That leaves the rest of them that refuse to talk. Karl is simply stating what is obvious to many of us. No, Karl is stating his opinion. Whether or not that's obvious is subjective, and remains to be seen.
Honestly I don't care one way or another about the issue at hand, it just struck me as even more flagrant that usual when I was reading the summary this morning. We'll probably find out later that the other ISPs are talking to the RIAA, and probably are planning to suspend users, and we'll have something for Karl to rant about for 6 months or so. | |
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jmn1207
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| Re: Tainted "journalism" said by jester121 :Nice try with the standard BBR attack method though! All I have is the BBR News Fan Attack Protocol pamphlet to go by.
said by jester121 :said by jmn1207 :We know Verizon is not one of them. No you don't. You know that someone at Verizon denies that they are participating. See, that's what the actual NEWS story is. "So-and-so said this, while those guys said 'no comment'". That's it. Ellen Yu, a public relations employee working at Verizon, gave an official statement that they were not participating. You are doing exactly what you accuse Karl of doing in your rant.
said by jester121 :said by jmn1207 :That leaves the rest of them that refuse to talk. Karl is simply stating what is obvious to many of us. No, Karl is stating his opinion. Whether or not that's obvious is subjective, and remains to be seen. I read facts stating that ISP's refuse to comment while Verizon adamantly denies their cooperation, followed by the editor asking some rhetorical questions and some paragraphs using "Potentially" and "Perhaps". It's clear to me when the story strays into an opinion piece. I can separate the facts from the opinion with little difficulty. This is entertainment. Topical news subjects are used to try and generate user participation in discussions.
said by jester121 :Honestly I don't care one way or another about the issue at hand... Yes, that much is clear. | |
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| Re: Tainted "journalism" said by jmn1207 :Ellen Yu, a public relations employee working at Verizon, gave an official statement that they were not participating. You are doing exactly what you accuse Karl of doing in your rant. Duh?  | |
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Worcester, MA | what do you expect? opinion seperated from fact in an article at dslreports? | |
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jmn1207
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| Re: Tainted "journalism" said by cornelius785 :what do you expect? opinion seperated from fact in an article at dslreports? That several "ISPs Won't Admit Participation In New RIAA Plan" is a fact, not an opinion. Do you see the irony in your insinuation and attack on the messenger? | |
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| Re: Tainted "journalism" said by jmn1207 :said by cornelius785 :what do you expect? opinion seperated from fact in an article at dslreports? That several "ISPs Won't Admit Participation In New RIAA Plan" is a fact, not an opinion. Do you see the irony in your insinuation and attack on the messenger? Even better is to summarize the situation as "ISPs other than Verizon refuse to deny Participation In New RIAA Plan" since this is what the article says. The same set of facts can be presented/viewed in a number of ways without omitting anything in your statement of the situation. Part of it is how you want to "spin" the facts (ignoring that spinning often requires suppression of facts that rebut your intended slant). | |
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jmn1207
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| Re: Tainted "journalism" I just don't see how any ISP's silence can come across as anything positive. How do you spin it to make the ISP's look consumer-centric?
OJ won't admit that he murdered Nicole.
OJ refuses to deny his involvement in Nicole's murder.
OJ remains tight-lipped while Nicole remains headless.
I can't make it work so that OJ's silence does anything other than bring suspicion upon himself.
If OJ officially stated that he did not murder Nicole, while it may not prove his innocence, if reported factually, it could not be implied or interpreted that he was guilty. | |
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North Andover, MA | Please, pray tell, clue us in to where you get your unbiased news?
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| Re: Tainted "journalism" said by Ahrenl :Please, pray tell, clue us in to where you get your unbiased news? I don't understand the point of the question? The point of my post is to recognize the bias and take it with a grain of salt. | |
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| said by jester121 :"ISPs Won't Admit Participation In New RIAA Plan" With that headline, Karl has immediately implied that the ISPs are doing something shady, but just won't come clean about it. Which is exactly correct. Helping the RIAA is definitely shady as hell, and not admitting it is not coming clean!
Regular readers of the news here know that Karl gets off on sticking it to big ISPs, especially where piracy issues are concerned, so he's taken this news story and spun it in such a way that it accomplishes his goals. And there's this quite vocal other camp, who seem determined to bend over backwards to defend these companies--- NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO WRONG or how they screw over their customers. You have to wonder about their motives.He also creates the impression that he's smarter than everyone else and knows what's really going down, so we should listen to him on everything else. That sounds more like a personal issue to me? Smarter? Hardly. More well informed then 99% of the public? I'd say that's fair.
In other news, "Karl Bode Won't Admit Cheating on Taxes". Got any sources, evidence, or proof either way? At least Karl's article did....
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2 edits | said by jester121 :A good example of how to mislead people by a simple word choice, without actually lying: "ISPs Won't Admit Participation In New RIAA Plan" With that headline, Karl has immediately implied that the ISPs are doing something shady, but just won't come clean about it. Regular readers of the news here know that Karl gets off on sticking it to big ISPs, especially where piracy issues are concerned, so he's taken this news story and spun it in such a way that it accomplishes his goals. He also creates the impression that he's smarter than everyone else and knows what's really going down, so we should listen to him on everything else. Why not a headline like "ISPs Decline to Comment on New RIAA Plan"? Because that's a bit too nebulous and doesn't allow for editorial bias to enter the discussion. That's actually what happened -- Verizon said "no," and the rest of the ISPs says "No Comment". In other news, "Karl Bode Won't Admit Cheating on Taxes". Much of the "NEWS" here has an underlying editorial agenda. It is an editorial page and not an AP newswire.
In defense of Karl, however, he has never claimed to be purveying TRUTH - but only his perception of it as seen thru his own anti-corporate filter.
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| Re: Tainted "journalism" said by GOLFnSUN :said by jester121 :A good example of how to mislead people by a simple word choice, without actually lying: "ISPs Won't Admit Participation In New RIAA Plan" With that headline, Karl has immediately implied that the ISPs are doing something shady, but just won't come clean about it. Regular readers of the news here know that Karl gets off on sticking it to big ISPs, especially where piracy issues are concerned, so he's taken this news story and spun it in such a way that it accomplishes his goals. He also creates the impression that he's smarter than everyone else and knows what's really going down, so we should listen to him on everything else. Why not a headline like "ISPs Decline to Comment on New RIAA Plan"? Because that's a bit too nebulous and doesn't allow for editorial bias to enter the discussion. That's actually what happened -- Verizon said "no," and the rest of the ISPs says "No Comment". In other news, "Karl Bode Won't Admit Cheating on Taxes". Much of the "NEWS" here has an underlying editorial agenda. It is an editorial page and not an AP newswire. In defense of Karl, however, he has never claimed to be purveying TRUTH - but only his perception of it as seen thru his own anti-corporate filter. Everything you post, claiming as TRUTH, is your perception as seen thru your pro-corporate filter. | |
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| can they?? Can they actually determine what is being sent across p2p which is legal and which is not, filenames can be changed or are they trying to just kill p2p in general? Simply there are other means and this will not affect pirates anyways, if anything just allows other avenues to be exposed to get the data across. | |
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| Re: can they?? File sharing works off hashes, not filenames. Of course that hasn't stopped MPAA sending copyright notices based on filenames but you can't really expect them to be fully competent, do you?
Potentially if you're not using forced encryption ISP can know if what you're sharing is legal or not. It would require packet inspection on ISP end as well as list of hashes of known copyrighted files floating on network, so it takes some effort, but it is possible. Same with RIAA/MPAA who are using services of BayTSP and MediaSentry, unless you're blocking them with peerguardian, they will know if you're sharing anything illegal.
If you want to stay anonymous your best bet is to only use software that uses encryption and use peerguardian with regularly updated blocklists. And even then you still risk being caught if peerguardian blocklists are faulty. | |
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| suing spree This whole idear is a bad one for any isp because if they have a way of knowing what is going across their netowrks then suddenly someone can hold them liable for what is going across their networks. Why sue the user when a copyright owner could sue the isp instead? Just about any isp has a lot more money than the average end user and just about any lawyer will make a lot of money from suing an isp since they now have a legitimate reason for doing it and the isp provides all the evidence needed to prove their guilt.
This is incredibly stupid and as anyone knows america is the land of the lawyers so it's only a matter of time before this whole mess backfires. | |
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clubs: | TPC is one your side. Verizon has fought the Nazi tactics from the beginning and you people want them to supply free porn. TPC is old skool and deserves your support. | |
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House Springs, MO | lol if they take away p2p i have no more use for the internet i have my cell phone for IM. | |
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dentman42
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Columbus, OH | Common carrier? If the ISPs participate, clearly they ARE taking responsibility for what passes through their networks. Therefore, the common carrier protections no longer apply and they are responsible for EVERYTHING that passes through their networks. | |
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clubs: | Would You? Would you fess up with the maf..AHEM... I mean RIAA watching over your shoulder, with the full legal backing of the government? | |
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Mcmillan, MI | legal? how can this be legal for the ISP to look at your traffic stream and interpret it? | |
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ISPs Won't Admit Participation In New RIAA Plan
We are not working with them on this
