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8-bit Fun
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join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
 ·Covad Wireless
| What's next? Blaming Craftsman when an idiot gov't worker smashes their thumb with a hammer?
But it is great to know that the Iraq War problems have been solved, heathcare costs have been brought under control, energy and immigration plans passed and implemented, education improved...so that they now have time and taxpayer money to waste worrying about P2P.
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 | RayW
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join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
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| Re: What's next? said by ColorBASIC  :Blaming Craftsman when an idiot gov't worker smashes their thumb with a hammer? Too late, I think some non-government worker already did that.
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MrMoody
Under the black helicopters
join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC | Yeh but corporate America is throwing vast quantities of money at them to find a way kill off P2P ... all that other stuff is the opposite - changing it would cut into big money's bottom line. | |
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MrMoody
Under the black helicopters
join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC | Re: What's next? I'm sure the above board "campaign contributions" are the tip of the iceberg, they're much too regulated and limited compared to the favors that go on under the table, and conflicting interest of politicians' ownership in the corporations, etc. | |
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IowaFarm
@frontiernet.net | Oh no no no no ok,,,,,, Please no i want my freedom | |
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swhx7
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join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Oh no no no no As other posters pointed out, the fault obviously lies with government workers using file-sharing programs, and miconfiguring them, and agencies letting them get away with this non-work activity. There is no "threat to national security" from people using p2p at home.
But you're onto a point that others may be missing. The "national security" excuse is currently effective with the public so the politicians exploit it for everything they want to push. And they've been wanting to find some excuse to clamp down on internet freedom.
So of course it doesn't make any sense; it's a pretext for a different agenda. | |
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Omega
Butter Bars
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join:2002-07-30
Lakewood, OH
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·AT&T Midwest
| Gorton is a tool If he has any sense of self-worth he would have told those idiot Congressmen that they were completely wrong.
possible points could include:
-why is an employee running a P2P program on a government computer?
-if the computer running the P2P program on a personal computer, why is it allowed for the employee to put personal data on it.
-maybe the liability should fall on the employees installing unsecured programs on PCs with sensitive data.
ISPs filtering data traffic is not the answer. | |
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| bi0tech
join:2003-06-19
·Comcast
| Re: Gorton is a tool SOP - cover your own ass no matter how little sense it makes.
Hello china? Yeah we hear you have this great firewall thing? Can we borrow it for a while?
21st century America, where you have the freedom to take responsibility for nothing! | |
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| Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | government network admins are to blame as well, the IT policy in a building with secure information should have a more restrictive firewall.
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Jon
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join:2001-01-20
Lisle, IL
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| Question? Why are these government employees allowed to install p2p software on their work pc's in the first place?
Lock'em down! | |
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| RayW
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join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
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| Re: Question? said by Jon :Why are these government employees allowed to install p2p software on their work pc's in the first place? Lock'em down! That is a good question, and ours are locked down except for a few special people who need access due to that type of work performed. One of our guys installed a P2P package for business reasons (testing out various ways to do business with a contractor which involves massive file transfers with accountability), and the next day the FBI was sitting at his desk asking what he was doing.
I think that there is more to the story above than what we are seeing.
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dentman42
join:2001-10-02
Columbus, OH | If you're using Limewire - STOP If this guy's that much of a patsy, expect the next Limewire version to have some kind of filtering built in that reports directly to the FBI/CIA and MAFIAA...
What a loser. | |
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apollo80
join:2002-01-31
Richmond, VA | Blame somebody else ... I love how everyone shifts responsibility to somebody else. | |
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nitecourt
join:2004-10-19
Erie, PA | Oh great! I can just see it now. An ISP blocking my Rhapsody service cause they see it as illegal music sharing. And then who I call to get it resolved? | |
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Gilitar
join:2000-11-20
Mobile, AL
·AT&T Southeast
| Govt listens to the corporations not the people I have come to realize that our government does not listen to or care about we the people. Instead the government does what's best for the corporations. Our system of government has failed and most are too blind to see it. We are broke, fighting a hopeless war where our soldiers are dying every day and all our government seems to worry about is junk like illegal file sharing. What about illegal aliens? What about energy? What about the environment? What about drugs?
There are soooo many things that are so much more important, but the only matters that the idiots in Washington can agree on are the ones that involve corporations. Why? Because they pay for campaigns. | |
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TechieZero
Tools Are Using Me
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join:2002-01-25
Wesley Chapel, FL
| said by Gilitar :We are broke, fighting a hopeless war where our soldiers are dying every day... Ummmm we are the people in the corps, and you can create your own corp too, try to make money and stop being broke. I don't even understand your hopeless war comment. Maybe we should do nothing and have the people who hate us blow shiat up *here* w/o a reckoning?
I do agree that the democratically led houses have been more than useless, and continue to work hard at being even more useless. | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
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| Re: Govt listens to the corporations not the people On Second thought, I don't wish to post. | |
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join:2000-11-20
Mobile, AL
·AT&T Southeast
| said by TechieZero :said by Gilitar :We are broke, fighting a hopeless war where our soldiers are dying every day... Ummmm we are the people in the corps, and you can create your own corp too, try to make money and stop being broke. I don't even understand your hopeless war comment. Maybe we should do nothing and have the people who hate us blow shiat up *here* w/o a reckoning? I do agree that the democratically led houses have been more than useless, and continue to work hard at being even more useless. When I say broke, I mean we as a people along with our government. We live off of credit and it's just a matter of time before the $#!^ hits the fan. | |
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TechieZero
Tools Are Using Me
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join:2002-01-25
Wesley Chapel, FL | Re: Govt listens to the corporations not the people Maybe you live off of credit --- not *we*.
No one is forced to live off of credit. Those are personal choices people make. Can't pay your bills? Cut back on internet, cable/satellite, beer, cigs, whatever. | |
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join:2007-06-15
Perry, FL | doing nothing would be better than attacking a country which had nothing to do with a goddamn thing. | |
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Sabre
Di relung hatiku bernyanyi bidadari
join:2005-05-17
·Comcast
| Shrewd and mean. This is actually an impressively shrewd, if hopelessly amoral, position for him to be taking out. By claiming the burden lies with the ISPs, he's essentially calling for a form of blanket immunity for himself, his corporation, and others similarly involved.
Basically he wants to take the burden of legal compliance off Limewire et al., so that essentially he can say "policing our networks for illegal activity isn't our problem. We can share whatever files we want, if you don't like what we're sharing it's your/their/someone else's responsibility to take care of it."
I give him credit for an insightful way to protect his own tail, though I highly dislike his position.
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
·Cruzio Internet
| Improper and illegal use is not .. Improper and illegal use is not software vendors or isps responsibility.
It's up to the individual users (or thier babysitters/parents) to monitor thier use of these programs.
It doesnt take a pro to be able to do this, all it takes is being able to read.
If congress is so concerned about illegal filesharing, they should fund law enforcement to enforce the laws that are ALREADY on the books.
Perhaps by creating local cyber law enforcement divisions consisting of professionals.
People that share illegal files are sitting ducks for law enforcement (even if thier encrypted.)
My aunt let her 15 yr old son use her work laptop. He installed limewire and all kinds of other crap (spyware,malware,etc.)
She asked me why her computer was so slow, and I found all that crap and cleaned it off.
I told her why it happened, explained to her son (and the rest of the family) why it happened.
After that incident that particular problem never happened again.
But, they all installed malware/spyware a few times after that unintentionally (on 3 different computers.)
It's not software vendor or thier isps fault that they are ignorant, stupid, and lazy.
Heres how/why they do it:
Oh whats this dam popup? I'll just clickety click and its gone. Clickety click click click click and thier computers are hosed. They dont even read them.
OOoooooh free games/cute screen pets/music! Clickety click click click click, thier computers are hosed again.
I think it took about 5 times hosing thier computers before they got it.
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cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Clue stick Does anyone have a clue stick we can use to wack the good senator Waxman (D-California) with?
Note to the FBI/CIA/NSA/TLA that is monitoring this post. This post was not an attempt to cause any bodily harm to the Sen. Waxman. It's meant to point out instead that he is a complete idiot in thinking that it's any P2P software's fault that a classified information is kept in such a way that it can be so easily shared.
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swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Clue stick There are good reasons for the "common carrier" principle. It assures availability of services such as transportation and internet; if carriers were liable for everything they carry, the constant threat of lawsuits would reduce the offerings in the market, and would make the terms for customers more restrictive, thereby hindering commerce in general.
There are huge technical obstacles to ISPs trying to filter everything illegal. They would have to constantly monitor all file contents in all traffic - very expensive and difficult even with the fastest network equipment. And then they would have to identify all illegal content.
Avoiding false positives would mean not assuming all file transfers are copyright-infringing; avoiding false negatives would mean identifying the content of every file in every format and variation, and mapping it all to a vast copyright database that doesn't even exist in today's world. And that's just copyright - libel, illegal pornography, "terrorist" communications and whatever else would present additional challenges.
It's not workable. But you can't explain technology to politicians. They get their simplified versions of it from interested parties - lobbyists, or this guy trying to shift the blame for what his product's users are doing. | |
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cdru
Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Clue stick said by swhx7 :There are huge technical obstacles to ISPs trying to filter everything illegal. Just the other day I was trying to explain this to a friend of a friend while fixing their computer. They had installed some "Internet Security Suite" type of software and subsequently they were having all sorts of issues. I mentioned that I wasn't a big fan of filtering software because it's very difficult (actually impossible) to guarantee that all things were blocked that were suppose to be while also not having false positives. Right then he mentioned that it was annoying that wherever they went pages were always blocked. I tried to go to google groups and it was blocked. Turns out that they had ALL the filters and options turned on (by default). I also mention that if their teenagers really wanted to find something dirty online, they were going to do so regardless of the filter and showed how they could just kill the service.
As a side note, that same service that was also suppose to stop popups didn't (thanks spyware) and the antivirus service always failed to start with an unknown error even after a reinstall. Great stuff.
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danclan
join:2005-11-01
Midlothian, VA
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Oh great said by MoeDumb :"Similar policies could be mandated for all ISP’s in the United States." actually no they cant. Lets start with freedom of speech im sure some legal genius will ensure laws that try this die o n the vine if they ever even make it to the floor... Then lets move on to who will pay for it do you think att, comcast or verizon want to waste their time trying to manage this only to discover someone else 30 days later built a better mouse trap that simply avoids the trap....and finally ISPs aren't universities and since when were Uni's hot beds for pedofilia? Last time i checked college kids were into each other...so to speak....
these straw man arguments grow weaker each time they are tossed out to the public. | |
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i1me2ao
join:2001-03-03
TEXAS |  suing automakers
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs: | You can't have it both ways. You want ISPs to stop SPAM and disconnect trolls so why not control your connection totally?
Think about TPC monitoring and controlling POTS. Never happen because of common carrier status.
Ma Bell is dead and yet the people bitch. | |
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs:
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| Re: You can't have it both ways. The Verizon flow chart is all wrong. Bellatlantic was an original *Baby Bell* that acquired NYNEX and became Verizon when it acquired GTE. | |
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swhx7
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join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: You can't have it both ways. OK. If the rest of it is about right, tho, three companies now comprise what was Ma Bell and the new AT&T has about half.
And people bitch about various oligopoly-related problems such as service deficiencies, but the current thread is about these Congress-critters' idea to make ISPs police internet activity.
Which is misplaced and daft for reasons stated in a lot of posts here. | |
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CyBrChRsT
join:2003-02-28
Kansas City, MO
| Totally fucking stupid! | |
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MrMoody
Under the black helicopters
join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC
·Embarq
| Re: Totally fucking stupid! Quite right, any doofus caught compromising security or running non work related programs on government computers should be instantly and summarily terminated. Lord knows there are plenty of folks lined up to take his cushy, overpaid, underworked gubmint job. | |
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join:2002-09-11
Liberty, MO | Re: Totally fucking stupid! You realy should watch what you say. I work my ass off (50-55 hours a week) and consider myself underpaid. In fact, I make about 15-20% less with the government that I could for a consulting/network administration position in the civilian world. | |
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hamiltonjm
join:2002-09-11
Liberty, MO
| . I've been an IT specialist for 3 different government agencies and in the military. All three were on a private network that originated at HQ in Washington. So, the ISP here is Washington DC. Also, all users are required to fill out and sign a netowrk/policy user agreement. Lastly, HQ blocks pretty much every port but 80. There are various VPN ports that are open to allow us to VPN from an outside network while traveling, but thats it. No FTP, SSH, Telnet, OR P2P ports are open.
DO NOT blame the government here. This is the individuals responsibility. P2P is not authorized on ANY government network that I know of nor will it be for a very long time if ever. | |
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