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| Cause more Wi-Fi theft Their plan will cause more Wi-Fi theft. it means that a person will steal a Wi-Fi connection to violate copyright, the person that pays for that connection would get into trouble. How fair is that. Wi-Fi theft is very high where I live. Theft of services is the highest crime here. in 2004 my neighbor has gotten access to my internet connection by cracking the security and downloaded a movie I got a DMCA warning about it. this 6 strikes compares to the Quality of life ordnance I have here where I live "get fined for other peoples trash that they abandoned" you have to pay the fine before you can fight it. The fine can range from $25.00 to $1000.00 and you have 5 days to fix the problem or the fine doubles | |
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 |  ctceoPremium join:2001-04-26 South Bend, IN | Re: Cause more Wi-Fi theft A national internet ID login is only months away you know. So stealing a WiFi connection will be irrelevant. How will they push this you ask. Simple, By extolling the "benefits" it will provide to personal security. | |
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| Re: Cause more Wi-Fi theft said by ctceo:A national internet ID login is only months away you know. So stealing a WiFi connection will be irrelevant. How will they push this you ask. Simple, By extolling the "benefits" it will provide to personal security. Obama already called for and tried to get one of these types of systems implemented, and it was basically laughed out and sued(at least threatened to sue) out of existence by dozens of the companies that dont want it, and the EFF. | |
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| Re: Cause more Wi-Fi theft Yes. Barry has said he will rewrite the Bill of Rights and Constitution to "create an appropriate legal framework" even if that means re-writing the old documents from scratch. What he can't accomplish by votes he does with executive orders.
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 |  |  |  ctceoPremium join:2001-04-26 South Bend, IN | Re: Cause more Wi-Fi theft No, that's when ID theft/counterfeits comes in handy, you'll see a spike in those at that time as well. | |
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 |  |  Oh_NoTrogglus normalus join:2011-05-21 Chicago, IL | said by ctceo:A national internet ID login is only months away you know. So stealing a WiFi connection will be irrelevant. How will they push this you ask. Simple, By extolling the "benefits" it will provide to personal security. ??? A national ID card is a good idea instead of having 50 different ID cards. As for national internet ID, it would be laughable if they try to lock you into one IP address as you can buy VPN service in a free country for $5 a month to get get around any tracking. | |
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 |  |  |  ctceoPremium join:2001-04-26 South Bend, IN | Re: Cause more Wi-Fi theft VPN security is a myth. We saw how easy it was for US authorities to fly abroad and ransack foreign data warehouses and the corporate bigwigs who own them, in recent event's. I don't think I need to mention any names. | |
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| Re: Cause more Wi-Fi theft I'm sorry you feel that way. I never knew that safeguarding your data stream with the measures available to you were considered methods imposed through Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. I thought it was quite the opposite. You use these methods in the hopes of reducing the probability of a breach because of Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. | |
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| said by ctceo:A national internet ID login is only months away you know. So stealing a WiFi connection will be irrelevant. How will they push this you ask. Simple, By extolling the "benefits" it will provide to personal security. LOL that will go over like a lead balloon for many reasons. Don't hold your breath. | |
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1 edit | Re: Cause more Wi-Fi theft I found an article that you might be interested in. Don't be surprised when it gets instituted by the NSA via executive order, through the NSTIC withe the us DOC as it's controlling body, as a matter of DHS policy and not one that will be voted on.
»www.nstic.us/
Trust me he's moving forward with plans whether people agree or not. This is the guy who has publicly stated that he has taken upon himself to "create an appropriate legal regime" even if that means "starting from scratch.
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=93CDU361···=g-all-u
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 |  Oh_NoTrogglus normalus join:2011-05-21 Chicago, IL | I doubt this would happen. The only way to steal wifi is to crack someones wifi password. People cannot crack a 15+ character WPA2 AES password, so if you had security set up your neighbor would not have been able to connect to your router. If you used WEP (WEP is the same as an open access point, but it does make it a crime) and he cracked it then you can call the police if you have proof with a mac address.
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| Re: Cause more Wi-Fi theft said by Oh_No:I doubt this would happen. The only way to steal wifi is to crack someones wifi password. People cannot crack a 15+ character WPA2 AES password, so if you had security set up your neighbor would not have been able to connect to your router. If you used WEP (WEP is the same as an open access point, but it does make it a crime) and he cracked it then you can call the police if you have proof with a mac address.
If the wifi is open then it is not stealing. You know how many people use 1234 as a password??? Router password??? Some times the easy way is the easy way to get things. "My router went down can I use your wireless connection till I get a new one???" Etc etc. | |
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| Re: Cause more Wi-Fi theft The measures would not only be at the ISP end, but also at the provider end, and to some extent it's already there.
»www.koreainformationsociety.com/···-id.html
This may only be in one country, but it won't be long before it starts to spread. As it stands it's irrelevant to most right now because there's enough of a paper trail to eventually catch up with you. Under a new system an ISP would be required by the DHS & FCC (Ministry of Communications) to tie your information to an IP address or static block thereof and any connection therein would do so via a special "VPN" tied to aforementioned data.
If this is not the case, albeit, several more years in the future, it will become required that only very short "parses" of encrypted data can travel across the stream. e.g. name, password. Else-wise they will simply start limiting connections by data type. You will be rewarded for using non-encrypted traffic though perks such as cheaper prices or faster speeds.
It's not a question of if, it's a question of when. -- ---- As long as superstition prevails, we will fall short of eradicating war, poverty, and hunger. -J. Fresco
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Hiding your SSID and MAC address filtering offer 'security though obscurity' which, in this case, is so weak compared to a properly secured wireless network that they're pointless.
and dont forget all new routers with wps have back doors open unless you run an open source alternative.
at the end of the day wired networks are far more secured. i run two subnets, and have an extra router heavily filtered and open free to use ..... let them go to thre easy route and log it | |
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| Re: Cause more Wi-Fi theft At the end of the day, the push, capitalistically, technologically & culturally, wireless is what is being pushed. Less mesh, less mess. Eventually you'll see a push to nearly entirely wireless internets for personal use.
You and I'll (and many others) likely be the ones paying extra for a good gateway/router and feets upon feets of cable and a good ol fashioned shotgun to protect the AP. | |
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 |  |  |  Oh_NoTrogglus normalus join:2011-05-21 Chicago, IL | said by someone :MAC address filtering offers zero security. All it takes is about 30 seconds with a sniffer to clone the MAC address of any valid connected client. Hiding your SSID also offers zero security as all it takes is any wireless sniffer to discover any APs.
Hiding your SSID and MAC address filtering offer 'security though obscurity' which, in this case, is so weak compared to a properly secured wireless network that they're pointless.
and dont forget all new routers with wps have back doors open unless you run an open source alternative.
at the end of the day wired networks are far more secured. i run two subnets, and have an extra router heavily filtered and open free to use ..... let them go to thre easy route and log it Who would do mac address filtering or hide their SSID??? That would be pointless. All you need is to use a 15+ character WPA2 AES key and your router cannot be hacked by anyone. | |
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| Re: Cause more Wi-Fi theft The best way to remain secure is to lock your shit down so tight even wannabe hackers will not have the "want" to bother.
Step 1: Don't Broadcast your SSID Step 2: Use a limited IP Pool Step 2: Set up false AP's (they're relatively cheap) Step 3: Use MAC filtering Step 4: Use AP authentication Step 5: Use the maximum available encryption when possible, including authentication certificates with timestamped devices.
Or just don't use wireless... Remember though there are those and agencies who can act (even on wired connections) as if none of the above exists... -- ---- As long as superstition prevails, we will fall short of eradicating war, poverty, and hunger. -J. Fresco
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 |  |  |  |  |  Oh_NoTrogglus normalus join:2011-05-21 Chicago, IL | Re: Cause more Wi-Fi theft said by ctceo:The best way to remain secure is to lock your shit down so tight even wannabe hackers will not have the "want" to bother.
Step 1: Don't Broadcast your SSID Step 2: Use a limited IP Pool Step 2: Set up false AP's (they're relatively cheap) Step 3: Use MAC filtering Step 4: Use AP authentication Step 5: Use the maximum available encryption when possible, including authentication certificates with timestamped devices.
Or just don't use wireless... Remember though there are those and agencies who can act (even on wired connections) as if none of the above exists... Steps 1, 2, 3 are pointless and do nothing for security. Step 4 only works if you use WPA 2 AES with a 15+ character password or better security. | |
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| Re: Cause more Wi-Fi theft Incorrect.
Some devices will not even display AP's that aren't broadcasting an SSID. This reduces probability.
Use a limited IP Pool. If all your Devices are assigned to an IP address in a limited pool, New devices can't connect unless and old device has lost connection.
If you are unaware of how to spoof your MAC address, you will not be able to connect.
Step 4 is sort of a "to degree" type of security, the more modern the less easy it is to not only find info on how to hack, but the actual act of doing so is that much more complex and takes more time to accomplish as opposed to older methods.
Now if you combine several of the above, you can save yourself a lot of trouble as people who want to hack are targeting the weakest point, AGAIN making your AP more secure.
What was that you said again? -- ---- As long as superstition prevails, we will fall short of eradicating war, poverty, and hunger. -J. Fresco
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  Oh_NoTrogglus normalus join:2011-05-21 Chicago, IL | Re: Cause more Wi-Fi theft said by ctceo:Incorrect.
Some devices will not even display AP's that aren't broadcasting an SSID. This reduces probability.
Use a limited IP Pool. If all your Devices are assigned to an IP address in a limited pool, New devices can't connect unless and old device has lost connection.
If you are unaware of how to spoof your MAC address, you will not be able to connect.
Step 4 is sort of a "to degree" type of security, the more modern the less easy it is to not only find info on how to hack, but the actual act of doing so is that much more complex and takes more time to accomplish as opposed to older methods.
Now if you combine several of the above, you can save yourself a lot of trouble as people who want to hack are targeting the weakest point, AGAIN making your AP more secure.
What was that you said again? The 1st three steps do nothing for anyone that wants to connect to your AP. Besides windows most other programs show hidden SSIDs, most computers can spoof mac adress by going to the mac address setting in their cards driver, ips can be set to static. The first sign of cluelessness with router security is when someone brings up hiding their SSID and using mac filtering. LOL Those are not security features in any way and a waste of time to do.
The only method is using security that cannot be hacked. Like WPA2 AES with a 15+ character passcode.
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  ctceoPremium join:2001-04-26 South Bend, IN | Re: Cause more Wi-Fi theft You obviously didn't get the post the first time I posted "lock your shit down so tight" is the phrase you'll want to pay attention to. Go ahead say it a few times to yourself if you need to. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  ctceoPremium join:2001-04-26 South Bend, IN | Re: Cause more Wi-Fi theft Because they do.
I don't understand why you can't understand what I am posting.
Don't need to, I posted them in response to WiFi theft, in case you can't remember. | |
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Please re-read what you posted and post a correction.
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1 edit | said by Oh_No  If the wifi is open then it is not stealing. so by your logic, taking someone's car that doesn't have the doors locked is not stealing???
just because someone is too stupid to encrypt their wifi, doesn't excuse you from using their wifi connection without permission. | |
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 |  |  |  | | Re: Cause more Wi-Fi theft It's more like someone sitting on a bench you have on your front lawn. You either put it there for people to use, or you didn't intend for that to happen by have no reason for caring, or do care and will put up a fence
I have an open wifi network set up intentionally. I hate my neighbors but there is a nearby park, though I am loath to buy additional equipment to give those freeloaders a decent signal | |
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 |  |  |  |  | | Re: Cause more Wi-Fi theft sure, maybe the person was just too lazy to put a fence up but that doesn't change the fact that you would still be trespassing no matter how much the owner did or didn't care about people using their bench. | |
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 |  |  |  ctceoPremium join:2001-04-26 South Bend, IN | Title 47 CFR Part 15, 'nuf said.
Using an open wifi could be categorized as "and must accept interference from other sources". | |
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 |  |  |  Oh_NoTrogglus normalus join:2011-05-21 Chicago, IL 1 edit | said by chances14:said by Oh_No  If the wifi is open then it is not stealing. so by your logic, taking someone's car that doesn't have the doors locked is not stealing???
just because someone is too stupid to encrypt their wifi, doesn't excuse you from using their wifi connection without permission. Sorry you cant compare a car to wifi traffic. But if you had to to accomodate lower minds then you would have to put the scenario like this: Someone leaves their car on your property with the doors unlocked and GIVES you a key. It definately would not be theft if you drove the car especially when you only drive it on your property only.
Your router only gives access to those that you approve, if you set your router to approve everyone then you cant complain about it later. Ignorance does not give you extra rights to pretend you did not approve people when you did. Now if you set even the weakest security and someone circumvents that then it would be theft. | |
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 |  |  |  |  ctceoPremium join:2001-04-26 South Bend, IN | Re: Cause more Wi-Fi theft This is a problem inherent in any capitalistic, materialistic society. It's not the car or owners fault, it's the system that makes it such an issue. | |
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1 edit | in 2004 my router supported WEP newer router I have alreay had WPA/WPA2 cracked twice first time a simple phrase second time random numbers and letters
WPS Wi-Fi Protected Setup is crackable if you use a newer wireless router then you have WPS support anyone with the proper software can get the 8 digit code to get access plus WPS has a backdoor for the government to monitor your Wi-Fi
my neighbors want me to turn off my Wi-fi security beause they refuse to buy thier own internet plus my city Mayor wants to put a tax on all secured Wi-Fi connections | |
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 |  |  ctceoPremium join:2001-04-26 South Bend, IN | Re: Cause more Wi-Fi theft If you believe that the gubermint doesn't have a backdoor with regards to wired connections, you need to start doing some research about NIST and NSA cooperation. | |
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 |  |  KearnstdElf WizardPremium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ | said by hrickpa:in 2004 my router supported WEP newer router I have alreay had WPA/WPA2 cracked twice first time a simple phrase second time random numbers and letters
WPS Wi-Fi Protected Setup is crackable if you use a newer wireless router then you have WPS support anyone with the proper software can get the 8 digit code to get access plus WPS has a backdoor for the government to monitor your Wi-Fi
my neighbors want me to turn off my Wi-fi security beause they refuse to buy thier own internet plus my city Mayor wants to put a tax on all secured Wi-Fi connections I would love to see a city try and enforce that tax. They have no way to determinate whos router is whos. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
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 |  |  Oh_NoTrogglus normalus join:2011-05-21 Chicago, IL | said by hrickpa:in 2004 my router supported WEP newer router I have alreay had WPA/WPA2 cracked twice first time a simple phrase second time random numbers and letters
WPS Wi-Fi Protected Setup is crackable if you use a newer wireless router then you have WPS support anyone with the proper software can get the 8 digit code to get access plus WPS has a backdoor for the government to monitor your Wi-Fi
my neighbors want me to turn off my Wi-fi security beause they refuse to buy thier own internet plus my city Mayor wants to put a tax on all secured Wi-Fi connections If you use WPA2 AES (no TKIP) with a 15+ character passphrase then it CANNOT be hacked. Never use WPS, that is stupid.
What city wants to do the tax that you speak of??? | |
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1 edit | I had several people knock on my door asking for the WPA key for my Wi-Fi connection. I live in a row home one side of me is an empty house the other side is my neighbors. in 2004 I shut off the Wi-Fi my neighbors had a fit over me shutting the Wi-Fi off. I move the only wireless desktop and hard wired it until upgraded my router that supported WPA/wpa2 as of right now where I live the 2.4 Ghz Wi-Fi is crowded I am using 802.11a 5Ghz Wi-Fi WPA-AES enterprise using a free radius program and using MAC filtering. three access points one on each floor
The city where I live they want to use GPS to locate the Wi-fi connections so they can tax secured Wi-Fi | |
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 |  |  Oh_NoTrogglus normalus join:2011-05-21 Chicago, IL | Re: Cause more Wi-Fi theft said by hrickpa:I had several people knock on my door asking for the WPA key for my Wi-Fi connection. I live in a row home one side of me is an empty house the other side is my neighbors. in 2004 I shut off the Wi-Fi my neighbors had a fit over me shutting the Wi-Fi off. Tell me more about this. I am amazed by this. I cant believe you could have neighbors this stupid. Who would knock on your door with a straight face for your WPA key and why did they think they should get it from you? What did they say to you??? Did you kick the persons ass? | |
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6 strikes?
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| Re: No More Baseball Analogies said by pnh102:6 strikes?
Come on. That just sounds dumb. Sounds like ISP's want nothing to do with anything. How long do you think it will take to get 6 strikes??? For ever especially if the ISP takes their time... LOL. | |
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How about clueless users that get their computers hijacked and used as a proxy? Or even easier, users that have weak or unprotected wifi...??? | |
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| So, they picked the company that will be monitoring swarms.. and once that companys' know registered IPv4 and IPv6 addresses are aired out, and blocked, they will once again be useless, while we all pay more. When will the content companies learn that you simply must release something that is giving the consumer what they want, and we will buy it? I am not a lost sale, simply because its not worth what they are charging for it. | |
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comcast.. raising cap while making it "HARD" and charging overages...
verizon... raising prices across the board and raising speeds
at&t... raising SOME prices.. still a flexible cap due to their market position and the possibility of overlap with comcsast..
the rest of telco & cableco cowtail to one or more of these philosophies..
not really a great set of "PARTNERS" to work with.. as I've previously said.. they will have to pony up tons of money to curtail piracy even a smidgen...
of minor CONVENIENT (Saturday Night Live accent and all) coincidence... google delays deployment of acutally 1gbit FTTP network.. believe it or not.. | |
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 iknowPremium join:2012-03-25 | Sounds like a violation of FCC rules "which range from throttling a user connection to filtering access to websites" didn't the FCC seriously fine some isps for doing that?. once obama is out, things like this absurdity will be gone. he surrounded himself with former MPAA/RIAA lawyers. maybe as a payback for political contributions. no one really believes the downfall of the economy was caused by, nor could be helped, by eliminating or even reducing copyright theft, right?. Banks and Wall street Destroyed the economy!. GREED! | |
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