ISP Six Strikes Plan Arrives in July

Throttling, Filtering and 'Education'

by Karl Bode Thursday 15-Mar-2012 tags: Fileswapping · business · bandwidth

Last summer major ISPs including Comcast, AT&T, Verizon and Cablevision signed off on a new plan by the RIAA and MPAA taking aim at copyright infringers on their networks. According to the plan, after four warnings ISPs are to begin taking "mitigation measures," which range from throttling a user connection to filtering access to websites until users acknowledge receipt of "educational material." As you might expect, that educational material's chapter on fair use rights likely won't exist.

The plan, as with most plans of this type, was hashed out privately with the government's help -- but with no consumer or independent expert insight. As a result the plan has numerous problems, like relying on the IP address as proof of guilt, placing the burden of proof on the consumer, while forcing users to pay a $35 fee if they'd like to protest their innocence.

While it has taken some time, it now appears that the project is poised to officially begin this July when ISPs will begin their job of playing content nanny in earnest. According to RIAA boss Cary Sherman, there's no uniform system for ISPs to use in order to track offenders:

"Each ISP has to develop their infrastructure for automating the system," Sherman said. They need this "for establishing the database so they can keep track of repeat infringers, so they know that this is the first notice or the third notice. Every ISP has to do it differently depending on the architecture of its particular network. Some are nearing completion and others are a little further from completion."

ISPs like Verizon already send users letters at the entertainment industry behest, some going so far as to voluntarily insist that users will have their connections severed if the file transfers persist (in Verizon's case, we've found they're bluffing). The practices have already resulted in numerous false accusations and more than a few lawsuits by ISPs who have refused to talk whatsoever about the process. As an added bonus, users who don't pirate can look forward to their bills going up as ISPs pass on the cost of this new system (one that won't work to stop piracy anyway) to their subscribers.

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Nothing better to do than to get those illegal file downloaders off the interwebs. A crime is a crime and we must punish the bad guys. Never mind all of the violent crime in the inner-city or the scourge of drugs ruining the country; get the file-sharers NOW!

I wish law enforcement would concentrate on removing the illegal immigrants from the USA and leave the downloaders alone. It's a civil problem, notsomuch criminal as the murderers, rapists, drug dealers and illegal aliens.
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FutureRama1 @pacbell.net	Re: Big Brother Is Watching But this is targeting the most heinous of all crimes....Theft of money. Which is 1,000,000 times more important than all that other petty stuff you listed.
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TheHelpful1 Premium join:2002-01-11 Upper Marlboro, MD	Re: Big Brother Is Watching said by FutureRama1 : But this is targeting the most heinous of all crimes....Theft of [big business'] money. Which is 1,000,000 times more important than all that other petty stuff you listed. Fixed it for you, because one word makes all the difference on how much it matters
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knightmb Everybody Lies join:2003-12-01 Franklin, TN	Re: Big Brother Is Watching I guess other ISPs that don't follow this will be laughing all the way to the bank when they start getting an influx of business from upset customers of the competitors. Might also make a good marketing campaign against these ISP that want to follow the MPAA and RIAA standards for milking customers of more money.
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DataRiker Premium join:2002-05-19 00000	Re: Big Brother Is Watching With the WPS hack I don't know how this is going to work. Virtually anybody can pirate internet again. The old WEP days are back.
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Smith6612 Premium,MVM join:2008-02-01 North Tonawanda, NY kudos:22 Reviews: ·Verizon Online DSL ·Frontier Communi..	Re: Big Brother Is Watching Pretty much. Considering the large amount of people in this area who I've seen use WPS as well. Their SSID even indicates WPS half of the time! Most newer Netgear routers I'm aware of have WPS on by default, and a handful of Linksys units too. I'd say it's just like the days of WEP being common.
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me1212 join:2008-11-20 Pleasant Hill, MO	said by knightmb: Might also make a good marketing campaign against these ISP that want to follow the MPAA and RIAA standards for milking customers of more money. that would be the best thing ever. let the smaller ISPs, get an influx of customers, more money better speeds, and can compete against the bigger isps. Yeah it may be just a dream but one can hope.
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Oh_No Trogglus normalus join:2011-05-21 Chicago, IL	said by TheHelpful1: said by FutureRama1 : But this is targeting the most heinous of all crimes....Copying of 1s and 0s by people who have no intention of dishing out any money. Which is 1,000,000 times more important than all that other petty stuff you listed. Fixed it for you, because one word makes all the difference on how much it matters Fixed it for both of you.
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Re: Big Brother Is Watching

said by Oh_No:

said by TheHelpful1:

said by FutureRama1 :

But this is targeting the most heinous of all crimes....Copying of 1s and 0s by people who have no intention of dishing out any money. Which is 1,000,000 times more important than all that other petty stuff you listed.

Fixed it for you, because one word makes all the difference on how much it matters

Fixed it for both of you.

So if you have no intention on paying for a service you can still have that service? In what world does lack of desire to pay does that make it ok to do that?

Even if someone illegally downloading doesn't cost the copyright holder a dime the fact is if I have to pay to get that service YOU have to pay or you don't deserve it.

If I sneak into a movie theater without paying I'm not stealing anything either. And since I never intended on paying for a ticket anyways then I guess it's ok to do then.

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It is not dollar for dollar theft.
The actual loss the copyright owner is $0 since they lost nothing and you never would have bought anything from them.

The maximum penalty for anyone getting caught should be the % of the original price that went to the copyright holder (not the shipping/boxing/manufacturing costs). Any amount would be free money for the copyright owner that they never would have received in the first place.

Also ISPs should backcharge the RIAA and MPAA for all this anti-downloading labor/equipment + a markup for the service.
No customer is paying the ISP to help the RIAA and MPAA for free, it is unethical to take customers money and use it for the RIAA and MPAA.

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Sometimes I download pirated movies that I already have on Blu-Ray, because it is much easier to then convert the file for playback on a portable device (PSP, tablet, etc), than it is to try to rip the content from the disc.

Yet the MPAA counts this download as a lost sale, which is not accurate at all. In fact, I'd consider that as "fair use", since I already have a legally purchased copy of the content.

Thanks to all the DRM they've put on their content, I bet there are A LOT of people doing the same thing that I do.

So yeah, "piracy" is not a dollar-for-dollar "theft", far from it.

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DataRiker Premium join:2002-05-19 00000	said by BF69: Even if someone illegally downloading doesn't cost the copyright holder a dime the fact is if I have to pay to get that service YOU have to pay or you don't deserve it. Your Avatar is copyrighted. Pot meet kettle.
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cork1958 Cork Premium join:2000-02-26	Re: Big Brother Is Watching I thought the same thing! Man! When is the RIAA and the MPAA going to move to the current century and get with the program? They would've have to be going through all the crap they have if they just adapted to the times. -- The Firefox alternative. »www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/
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nine16ths join:2002-03-07 Northfield, OH	BF, I don't have much of a horse in this race but yeah. After 12 years online I recently got me some broadband and I'm like a new kid in a candy store.
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hahahehehoho join:2012-01-19 Pontypool, ON	said by FutureRama1 : But this is targeting the most heinous of all crimes....Theft of money. Which is 1,000,000 times more important than all that other petty stuff you listed. imaginary money at that....
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mikedz4 join:2003-04-14 Weirton, WV	so if there are two police calls, one for a robbery and one with a gun pointed at my head they take the robbery and let me die?
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said by Lone Wolf:

LOL, you can't see that it's all about the almighty dollar?

As for illegals, it's the same thing.
Why the hell not arrest the employers who hire them?.....Throw them in jail/prison as they are the ones raking in the money plus it's illegal to hire illegals!

As for the riaa, they seem to be getting more and more powerfull which sucks.

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said by Lone Wolf:

You do realize that this is basically a deal between the RIAA, MPAA, and ISPs right? And that the authorities/LEO aren't involved? Were you expecting the RIAA, MPAA, and ISPs to tackle violent crimes in inner cities, or the war on drugs, or whatever had this arrangement not happen?

Not saying that the deal is good, but it's private industry trying to keep it private and a civil matter.

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n2jtx join:2001-01-13 Glen Head, NY	Heck, if I was a police officer, I would rather go after illegal downloaders than gang bangers. Much safer! -- I support the right to keep and arm bears.
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said by n2jtx:

Heck, if I was a police officer, I would rather go after illegal downloaders than gang bangers. Much safer!

I wonder if Justin ever envisioned when he started this group that the IQ level would go subterranean . as I recall he did not like the attacks that went on in the old newsgroups were we old timers hung out.

and now we have eloquence like that above.

BTW a real easy around your ISP is use »securehostvpn.com/ in conjunction with ANY router or old computer that runs DD-WRT.

DD-WRT comes with a Open SSL VPN tunnel service and whenyou set it up it creates a ENCRYPTED tunnel from your router to securehostvpn.com and your ISP will only see a SSL tunnel.

oh I wish to offer my middle finger extended to all FACISTS now running this country and slowly leading us to the next great race, like during the inquisition when kids were encouraged to turn in their parents. yes that seems really crazy of me to say, but it's funny(NOT) how history repeats itself over and over and over.

all because our government never listened to Israel when they warned us to install bullet proof walls and doors in the cockpit in the 1970's. of course that was too expensive for us to justify and so it ended up with all the hijackings all the way up t0 9-11.

so now we pay the price with no privacy and the FBI salivating as they get to read and listen to all you do.

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caffeinator Coming soon to a cup near you.. Premium join:2005-01-16 WA, USA kudos:4 Reviews: ·CenturyLink	Re: Big Brother Is Watching Considering that securehostvpn is based in the U.S. and has a .com domain name, wouldn't it fall under the same rules and face takedown if it doesn't comply? Simply put, wouldn't an offshore VPN in a country that doesn't give a crap about U.S. laws and treaties be a better choice? -- My 9/11 Tribute..online since 9/14/01 Need an Avatar? Check out Wafen's Avatar Pages
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said by caffeinator:

Considering that securehostvpn is based in the U.S. and has a .com domain name, wouldn't it fall under the same rules and face takedown if it doesn't comply?

Simply put, wouldn't an offshore VPN in a country that doesn't give a crap about U.S. laws and treaties be a better choice?

oh my paranoia runs deep so deep, to partially quote Ice Cube.

yes I always wonder who has stock in them or owns them. right now I do almost no downloading anymore, I have houndreds of CD's that I've accumulated over the year and seriously maybe use one or 2 of any of those programs, and have bought them legally long since, I being a techi trew away HOUNDREDS of records when cd's first came out (nut yes) and now own houndred of cd's my kids and grandkids have long since sctratched. as for movies my wife has this hedious cabinets full of houndred of movies we've collected since DVD's came out ALSO trowing out the houndreds of VHS.

so to hell with the MPAA and RIAA. They are making more money now than ever SELLING us all movies that used to go to TV in a couple of years at worst in the 1970's to 6 months these day in cable and then to rental and sale. We are living in a new age were we are paying MORE for movies and records than ever, then there's music, these days the KIDs buy song in digital format, wich is STEALING by the RECORD industry as you never geta solid CD in your hands like we did before it all went "buy on the internet". I still remember having to re-install windows only to loose or recopy the "digital certificates" and find they somehow do not work after having payed 1.00 per song, this happenned with a couple of companies and that is before some changed their format or went broke. so now I bought AIR. who got taken on those transactions ?

my problems these days is my 12 year old that every so often I catch with a torrent downloading crap. considering the thousands of dollars I have spent on games and consoles on all of them.

so now I manage it from the edge router. and we use Easynews to do SSL downloads.

my house is upside down by 200K so come and get me, I'm sure DSL can turn over my name easy enough.

both my middle fingers are raised to both FACIST organizations and of course to the main one " Home Land Insecurity " the great great grandfather of a future SS yes laugh I hope I'm wrong, but with 51% of IDIOTS voting for Jug Heads it's bound to happen

fuckemall

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Enforcement of rules in all service bills anyway

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As an added bonus, users who don't pirate can look forward to their bills going up as ISPs pass on the cost of this new system to their subscribers.

That is just part of the cost of doing business with a service provider. My cable bill is higher because cable companies must police those who steal cable access. My electric bill is higher because the electric company must police those who bypass their electric meters. My water bill is higher because the water company has to police those who bypass their water meters.

So, my ISP bill will be higher because the ISP must police those who steal content illegally. That is all just part of doing business in a society where some customers are crooked.
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Re: Enforcement of rules in all service bills anyway

Apples and oranges. Cable, electric, and water theft causes the prices to go up because they are the ones having the product stolen from them.

Having your ISP bill go up in this context is equivalent to the EPA lobbying to have your water company install filters on everyone's connection to monitor for water health and contaminants and then just send EPA the log files, essentially telling the water company to do the EPA's job for them.

Yes I know the water company monitors their system already but its the closest example I could come up with given your examples.
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said by TheHelpful1:

Having your ISP bill go up in this context is equivalent to the EPA lobbying to have your water company install filters on everyone's connection to monitor for water health and contaminants and then just send EPA the log files, essentially telling the water company to do the EPA's job for them.

Bad example because that is exactly what our water company does. They monitor all the water system wide and send the logs to the EPA to prove they are in compliance with EPA regs. »www.bjwsa.org/water/quality.html All paid for by the customers.

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said by Linklist:

That's not an accurate comparison. You're referencing measures taken to protect their own product/service.

ISPs have no real attachment to copyright protection, other than changes in legislation (forcing them to be attached). This is property that belongs to a 3rd party. The ISP is simply providing connectivity to the user that is subject to the said copyright abuse.

An accurate comparison to what you stated would be an ISP spending time/money to police those who steal internet access.

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said by BlueC:

An accurate comparison to what you stated would be an ISP spending time/money to police those who steal internet access.

No, it would be one where you wave a magic wand and make an exact duplicate of the cable service, electricity, water all while not removing the original and allowing it to be used exactly as intended.

Reality and human rights are always trumped by hand waving and magic.
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said by BlueC:

Except many ISP's are owned by the content providers. When Broadband first started up, there weren't many practical applications that needed the bandwidth other then piracy. The legal content just wasn't there.

Now piracy is grown rampant. Alot of it (especially video content) uses alot of bandwidth and is pirated.

ISP's own by cable co's or companies that offer iptv have a direct interested in stopping pirated video. Whether it be through bandwidth caps or this new 6 strike rule.

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AnonyName @scansafe.net	In which case the DOT should be accountable for thieves using the highways system to escape a robbery?
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It's sad it's come to this, but... down there, under the posts, the action link, then you pick ignore. Life on the front page is 100 times better without the industry shills. And don't doubt for a second that they are not that. They get a range of topic to hover over and spread their comments around the internet daily with prepared talking points. If you roam around enough in various website comments you'll strangely see the same buzz words of the day used all over the place in a creepy sort of way.
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Kearnstd Elf Wizard Premium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ	the MAFIAA should have to pay for all these upgrades. it is their product they are worried about. Why should an ISP care? Bandwidth is Bandwidth, pirate or legal movement of entertainment is all the same to the routers. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports
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said by Linklist:

quote:
As an added bonus, users who don't pirate can look forward to their bills going up as ISPs pass on the cost of this new system to their subscribers.

People cant steal cable anymore w/ digital. So your bill is not higher from theft. Everyone used to steal Directv and that also no longer happens.
All that can be done is they either A. have to hack the cable companies servers to activate a box or B. clone 1 paid for box/cable card to use for multple boxes.
Both situations are easily detectable by the cable company with automated means.

Customers do not want to pay the ISP to do the RIAA/MPAA dirty work and they should not have to. There is not benefit to the customer or ISP for doing this.
Also remember nothing is being stolen. People are copying 1s and 0s through links that go through multiple countries and may even leave the planet earth. ISP have no reason to get invovled.
If I were a large investor in one of these ISPs I would be really, really pissed at how they are wasting money.

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People cant steal cable anymore w/ digital. So your bill is not higher from theft. Everyone used to steal Directv and that also no longer happens.

Yes, this is a great point and is always ignored by the 'It's Theft'ers'. There are definite examples of where companies were technologically able to reduce their claimed losses to ZERO. Any digital cable company is an example. While some erroneously argue that broadcast basic is still 'in the clear' on most systems and theft is still rampant... many companies have obtained waivers from the FCC to encrypt even the broadcast channels. Has there been a rate reduction to adjust for the no longer present 'losses'? Nope. Same thing with DirecTV, when they switched from the HU card to the P4 card and effectively eliminated piracy of their signal... where was the comparable rate drop? And when Dish Network switched to Nagra 3? Nada.

There are only a few possibilities of why this would be:

1. The cost to stop the piracy was so expensive that they just broke even (or spent more). We can eliminate this as a choice since everyone knows companies can't do anything unless there is a cost analysis somewhere saying it will increase profits. And for cable companies to encrypt basic channels amounted to mere keystrokes on a computer... not very expensive.

2. The company decided since the people were already used to paying what they pay, there was really no reason to lower the bill. The company can just pocket the new money as additional profits and the customer will be none the wiser. While I wouldn't put this option past them, these industries are highly competitive and would pass off a major monetary savings to customers in order to beat out the competition and take their customers away. Even if the answer is partly this, it doesn't speak well of companies that harp on the idea that their customers have to pay higher prices due to theft. It makes the honest customers wonder who the real thieves are.

3. (The correct answer) There is really no loss at all. Despite the fact that this supposedly major loss of money is stopped, there is simply no additional income. This is very strange considering that if any other loss were eliminated (competition, physical theft, damages, etc.), there would be a proportional increase in profits. DirecTV claimed $1.2 Billion/year lost to piracy, why do their yearly statements not show a $1.2 billion increase since the security upgrade? They are, in fact, showing a bigger loss!

Claims that companies make are often not backed up by reality... this is a glaring example.

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said by Linklist:

Now which of those examples makes no sense what so ever? I'll give you a hint, the one where people are stealing something other than service. When you start buying into the someone else has to pay to protect my business model you are part of the problem.

When the entertainment industry produces a quality product that is reasonably priced people will purchase it. When you punish those who purchase your product you deserve to fail.
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axus join:2001-06-18 Washington, DC	Haven't seen any false positives from Verizon I'll have to make sure my contact info is updated, just so I can be on the lookout for some bogus warnings. But, so far I haven't had any problems like that.
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danclan join:2005-11-01 Midlothian, VA	So encryption will rule the day and nothing will come of this....vpns....p2p encryption...kinda pointless....
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kerya666 join:2002-12-20 Valrico, FL	How? So how will they differentiated illegal from legal? If I own that movie/song and I just wanted a backup copy (which is allowed as far as I understand) and I downloaded it; what they have to stop by my house and ask me what I own now? Waste of money and time. +1^ Encrypted connections make this useless.
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This is easily avoidable by 2 methods:

First: the "education" material will probably come from DNS redirection, which can be avoided with an alternate DNS service, and DNSSEC so that you cant get DNS Hijacked, and second, with the this, they probably need to use deep packet inspeciton, which could be ruled a huge violation of privacy. And as a third bonus one: since the MPAA/RIAA letters are not "proof" that anything occurred, since they did not win in court, you are not in violation of your ToS, and since your ISP is throttling your connection and you will not be receiving at least 80% of your download speeds and upload speeds, you can go in and get service credits, and threaten to drop them, and I bet that your throttling would be gone real fast. No ISP wants to lose customers, and threatening to leave them will null this whole thing really fast.

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PastTense join:2011-07-06 united state	Please Post a List of the ISPs Could someone post a list of the ISPs who have signed on to this agreement? In particular I want to know if Windstream signed on. Thank you.
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Chubbysumo join:2009-12-01 Superior, WI Reviews: ·Charter	Re: Please Post a List of the ISPs said by PastTense: Could someone post a list of the ISPs who have signed on to this agreement? In particular I want to know if Windstream signed on. Thank you. This whole thing was worked on in complete secrecy, and ISPs would not even admit they were taking part in it. I dont you will ever see a list of ISPs that are doing this or were involved.
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Giant join:2002-11-19	»www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/15/a···july-12/ AT&T, Cablevision, Comcast, Time Warner Cable, Verizon, and others
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ryu4000 join:2006-11-18 Picayune, MS	Going hurt these companys This is really going hurt these company cause the people with highest tier broadband is pirates why else would you need 50 or 100mb speed 5megs is enough to download and play games online.
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Oh_No
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VPN/Proxies?

I assume the RIAA and MPAA are doing this as they own several VPN and proxy companies and they just want to force people to use them or maybe the presidents of these shill companies brother owns a vpn business.

Really, their attempts are pointless as everyone will have to pay extra to a 3rd party now just to have privacy from their ISP.
People will get privacy on the internet so they might as well not waste their time and money.

Also, I hope the RIAA and MPAA will be cutting fat checks to pay for all the manpower in this endeavor as customers should not have to pay for it.

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Simba7 I Void Warranties join:2003-03-24 Billings, MT	Re: VPN/Proxies? Is there any decent VPN's that aren't in the **AA's pocket?
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DavePR join:2008-06-04 Canyon Country, CA	Re: VPN/Proxies? »openvpn.net/
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moes join:2009-11-15 Indianapolis, IN	Hi Riaa and Mpaa couple of words. "come at me bro" I await for the isp's to play along with these fuck sticks, oh I soooooooo wait. I get throttled for anything legit, then we're going to have a nice civil converstation.
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danawhitaker Space...The Final Frontier Premium join:2002-03-02 Urbandale, IA	Does this mean... ...that Mediacom will stop pretending by law they're required to completely and permanently terminate someone's account after three warnings? -- You're watching Sports Night on CSC so stick around...
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said by danawhitaker:

...that Mediacom will stop pretending by law they're required to completely and permanently terminate someone's account after three warnings?

I would sue them personally, since a DMCA notice does not equal proof of a ToS violation, since there was no civil judgement against you, its not proof enough. If I was one of their customers, I would take them to court over it.

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danawhitaker Space...The Final Frontier Premium join:2002-03-02 Urbandale, IA	Re: Does this mean... Oh, it hasn't happened to me personally. I've just been following it in various threads both here and on Mediacom's forums over the past few years. It's disturbing, because I worry not that I'm doing anything wrong, but that my IP might somehow be misidentified and I'd get cut off completely by mistake. -- You're watching Sports Night on CSC so stick around...
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Papageno join:2011-01-26 Portland, OR	Would this affect torrenting only? Just wondering...
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You think this is bad?

When I was living in West Virginia the city of Davisville outright told us we were not allow to use the well on our property for a water source, and we had to use city water only. Unfortunately my parents were unwilling to fight this ordinance/law/etc personally if it was me, I would disconnect the water line from my house, and dig up the entire pipe on my property and then seal it off, and then just ignore all the water bills until they took me to court or cut it off and stopped billing me. I just don't see how the city can legally tell you that you can't use what comes with your property, when the contract says you have the rights to it...

Personally myself I'm thinking about creating a rain catcher connected to a tank that will sterilize the rain that it catches, or just to be there to use to water the grass/flush the toilets/take a shower without sterilization, as well as possibly a windmill or something else (Texas always has a breeze) that can be hooked up to a generator/batteries that can supply the house with electricity for at least a few days when fully charged...

Ok I know that this is off subject from the forum, however my question is I wonder if they'll be able to detect what you're downloading if you're always on a VPN, thoughts?

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BF69 Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN	Re: You think this is bad? said by mmay149q: When I was living in West Virginia the city of Davisville outright told us we were not allow to use the well on our property for a water source, and we had to use city water only. Did it ever occur to you that maybe that the well water wasn't safe for human consumption?
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Re: You think this is bad?

said by BF69:

Did it ever occur to you that maybe that the well water wasn't safe for human consumption?

Yes, but they didn't do a survey of it, and neither did we, like I said my parents were unwilling to fight it, so we had no clue if it was bad or not, we only wanted to hook it up for use of filling up the swimming pool with water and to hook into the automatic sprinklers (on 5 acres of land at that) but the city would not allow it... You want to talk about lack of competition, try competing with your local city government, geevus.

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Kearnstd Elf Wizard Premium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ	some cities outright forbid you to use the well. Some will allow you to keep an irrigation system attached to it. I do know that you cant have the well lines ever feed the same system as city water lines though. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports
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BF69 Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN	While this is stupid If you need to be told 6 times to stop illegally downloading I don't have much pity for you.
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anon6 @comcast.net	ISP six strikes plan in july Does anyone know if this will effect business users as well?
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while this appears on the surface more feasable.. will the RIAA/MPAA be willing to underwrite financial losses from subscribers cancelling service and policing costs?

if not, this will be quite brittle teeth.. the RIAA/MPAA will have to stop spending millions on lawyers and spend millions to the nation's ISP's.. in essence bribing them to stop piracy, or at least the most active elements of it..

nevertheless, if you can't stop oil companies from gouging their fellow consumers and wrecking the economy, you think you can stop piracy?

verizon alone spent over 20 billion on a FTTP network.. killing off the golden goose (pirates) means the RIAA/MPAA better be ponying up some serious cash to make this work or the whole plan will collapse in on itself. less cash = faster collapse

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fonzbear2000 Premium join:2005-08-09 Saint Paul, MN	Solution... TOR, VPN, and proxies.
	permalink · 2012-03-15 19:29:59 · ·

Frank2012 @comcast.net	how does this work Will this be the traditional method where a content owner hires people to find IP's on torrents and reports them to the ISP's and then you get a strike, or will the ISP's become the content police by searching their own network activity for potential file sharing without the use of third party reports?
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Spike21

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Re: how does this work

Lester Chambers, Successful Musician Who Received No Royalties From '67 To '94, Planning To Sue.Major labels playing RIAA accounting tricks are nothing new, but you rarely see lawsuits over it. Yes, there have been some cases recently -- such as Kenny Rogers' lawsuit -- but those are usually more focused on the question of whether or not iTunes revenue is counted as a sale (small royalty) or a license (big royalty). Some of those are uncovering other accounting irregularities in the process, but a lawsuit focused on lack of royalty payments could get more interesting. We've seen how musicians have discovered that the royalty statements that the major labels keep on them are more or less works of fiction, but it would be interesting to see such accounting practices directly challenged in court.

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Spike21

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Lester Chambers, Successful Musician Who Received No Royalti

Two sides to every story, rom the this-could-get-interesting dept

A week or so ago, a whole bunch of folks started submitting variations on the story of Lester Chambers, of the successful Chambers Brothers band, for the dramatic photo he posted to Facebook explaining how he didn't receive any royalties for decades.
To be honest, we've seen so many stories like this that I wasn't even sure it was worth posting. Contrary to what some of our critics insist, I don't seek out every anti-record label story out there. But where this gets interesting is that in that interview with Vice (linked above), he indicates that he's planning to sue over this:

Was it a spur of the moment decision on your part to post the letter?

No, no, no. My friends and my son, we've been working on this for the past eight or nine years. We have all the contracts, all the record labels, all of that information together. It's a good time because of Occupy. My wife is a paralegal, so she's been able to do a great job preparing all of the paperwork.

So you're going to sue them directly? This isn't just a press campaign?

We're gonna correct our situation.

Do you think you'll succeed?

I hope so. I'm gonna do it for every musician who's been treated the way I have.

Major labels playing RIAA accounting tricks are nothing new, but you rarely see lawsuits over it. Yes, there have been some cases recently -- such as Kenny Rogers' lawsuit -- but those are usually more focused on the question of whether or not iTunes revenue is counted as a sale (small royalty) or a license (big royalty). Some of those are uncovering other accounting irregularities in the process, but a lawsuit focused on lack of royalty payments could get more interesting. We've seen how musicians have discovered that the royalty statements that the major labels keep on them are more or less works of fiction, but it would be interesting to see such accounting practices directly challenged in court.h**p://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120315/03304918113/lester-chambers-successful-musician-who-received-no-royalties-67-to-94-planning-to -sue.shtml

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AmericanGuy

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Corporate ISP Police Force: Your Money at Work Against You

Just what we need, corporations policing for other corporations. Guess it shouldn't be a surprise considering how many of them today are subsidiaries of or co-chaired by members of other corporations. In a time when corporations have the political rights of individuals and can contribute unlimited funds to politicians via these ridiculous "superpacs", it's to be expected that things will only get worst. They were already plenty bad enough before. The interests of government and big business are becoming increasingly inseparable. And to add insult to injury, the biggest recipients of government handouts aren't poor people, they're corporations - so all the while we the people are getting screwed the government & corporations are taking our money to further fund more ways to screw us. LoL.

Maybe if enough of the American people got their heads out of their arses and stopped voting against their own self-interest, we could fix some of these problems. Hear that, Bible Belt America? If you continue to vote for candidates who even an educated fifth-grader could reasonably conclude are outright morons, because of your ridiculous "principles" - well, this is the kind of crap we end up with.

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Enforcement of rules in all service bills anyway

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Haven't seen any false positives from Verizon

So encryption will rule the day and nothing

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This is easily avoidable by 2 methods:

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Going hurt these companys

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Hi Riaa and Mpaa

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Would this affect torrenting only?

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While this is stupid

ISP six strikes plan in july

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