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(old news - 09:31AM Tuesday Nov 11 2008)
tags: prices · satellite · competition · business · bandwidth · caps · HughesNet Satellite Broadband
One forum user notes that there is a rare bit of good news for HugheNet satellite broadband customers this week. The company's FAP FAQ has been updated to note that the uncapped window customers see from 3-6AM has been expanded two hours -- and will now be from 2-7AM starting this week (unless you're a HN9000 modem owner, in which case you'll have to wait a month). "5 hours, I'm actually quite shocked that HughesNet is hooking us up with the extra bandwidth," says one user. "I hope they don't raise prices again, or cut some package speeds in trade."

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When you've got a captive audience (like say, rural broadband customers with no other options), you can get away with a hell of a lot. Just ask Hughesnet, who've managed to stay in business despite offering consistently sub-par service to customers for much of the last year. Not only does HughesNet service come with low caps (misleadingly called the "fair access policy" or FAP), the users who violate those caps face being throttled to below dial up speeds (between 7 and 14kbps).

Even when well within their FAP limits, our users have consistently complained that they very rarely get the speeds advertised. But because many rural customers lack options, they can't vote with their wallets. In some instances, satellite broadband users have been migrating to 3G wireless services as their sole broadband connections -- the limitations placed on services by Sprint, T-Mobile, AT&T or Verizon seeming generous in comparison.

There was some hope that the launch of HugheNet's new Spaceway 3 satellite would alleviate some of these congestion problems. HughesNet recently made waves ripples by unveiling 2Mbps/300kbps ($119.99), 3Mbps/300kbps ($189.99) and 5Mbps tiers ($349.99) that all utilize the new satellite. Unfortunately, our users note that even with these new tiers, they frequently don't see advertised speeds, with 2Mbps customers sometimes seeing speeds as low as 610kbps. All tiers have FAPs of 500MB or lower -- even the $350/month tier.

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patcat88

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blimp broadband

Where is my blimp broadband?

Smith6612
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Re: blimp broadband

It's not going to happen :P The blimps will "pop"

rawwhide
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Re: blimp broadband

Whitespace broadband is almost here to bolster competition between the current monopolies and duopolies we currently have in place. For many rural area users will have access to a second source of broadband.
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Re: blimp broadband

said by rawwhide See Profile :

Whitespace broadband is almost here
Whitespace "broadband" won't have any more bandwidth per customer available than satellite does. And you won't see the first (urban mobile) customer on it for at least 2 years. No one has yet stepped up to offer to build one tower. And by then there may not be any white space left thanks to Distributed Transmission of DTV. One can only hope.
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BF69

join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

cap done sort of right

Ok their caps are really low but at least they offer cap free times unlike TW, Comcast and at&t and they don't charge for overage they just throttle back speed which makes sense if your supposed argument for caps in the first place is bandwidth management.

I wonder when wildblue is going to offer cap free times. Yes WB caps have been a bit more generous than Hughesnet, but not when you factor in 5 cap free hours. Cellular companies should take note of this too.
Lazlow

join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO

Re: cap done sort of right

If they really have to cap(ISPs in general), then this is a better way to go.

pnh102
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Customers Must Cut Off Useless Providers

quote:
But because many rural customers lack options, they can't vote with their wallets ...
And therein lays the problem. As long as customers keep paying for crappy, useless service, the company will never have any real incentive to improve service. Not buying a piss-poor, less than useful luxury service is a realistic option that people have to consider when dealing with companies that consistently provide bad service.
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BF69

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Camden, TN

Re: Customers Must Cut Off Useless Providers

said by pnh102 See Profile :

quote:
But because many rural customers lack options, they can't vote with their wallets ...
And therein lays the problem. As long as customers keep paying for crappy, useless service, the company will never have any real incentive to improve service. Not buying a piss-poor, less than useful luxury service is a realistic option that people have to consider when dealing with companies that consistently provide bad service.
sounds easy enough but the internet is becoming more a necessity these days. You suggest people "take one for the team". By the way considering out of 25 million potential customers Hughesnet has less than 500,000 so I believe people are in fact speaking with their wallets. Hughesnet knows it has capacity of MANY MANY more customers but isn't seeing any growth because of caps and it HAS to pay for these satellites it launched so they are in a situation they have no choice but to improve service. 500,000 customers isn't going to be enough to pay for a $250 mil satellite.

pnh102
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Re: Customers Must Cut Off Useless Providers

I guess I am just not on the same planet as these people. I can't, for the life of me, justify spending money on any service that gets me less for the money than I paid for it. I also can't justify spending any money on any product or service that I cannot fully use to my heart's content.

As I've stated earlier, these stories remind me of when AT&T decided to cap the data plan on my phone. My first reaction was to drop the plan. I saw no need to pay good money for something I can't use.
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

quote:
But because many rural customers lack options, they can't vote with their wallets ...
And therein lays the problem. As long as customers keep paying for crappy, useless service, the company will never have any real incentive to improve service. Not buying a piss-poor, less than useful luxury service is a realistic option that people have to consider when dealing with companies that consistently provide bad service.
Believe it or not, a lot of people just think satellite service is the way "internet access" is. Some even think that because it's a satellite, it's inherently more "high tech" than DSL/Cable. I kid you not.

I had a rural co-worker who LOVED his satellite service. I had to beat him over the head to trade it for 3Mbps DSL and then 10Mbps cable.
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

Not buying a piss-poor, less than useful luxury service is a realistic option that people have to consider when dealing with companies that consistently provide bad service.
I run a business here. What am I supposed to do-yell orders to my suppliers? Or take three weeks to do anything with dial up? Without the internet, I'll be back in the swamp living on 'possums. I wish a boycott was an option for me, but I don't like 'possum all that much.
beaups

join:2003-08-11
Hilliard, OH

I'm confused

They have crappy caps, we know this...users claim there is more bandwidth available but Hughes is being unreasonable. But then at peak times they complain they aren't able to achieve advertised speeds (IE the 610KBPS) which tells me there ISN'T enough bandwidth available. so which is it?

BF69

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Re: I'm confused

said by beaups See Profile :

They have crappy caps, we know this...users claim there is more bandwidth available but Hughes is being unreasonable. But then at peak times they complain they aren't able to achieve advertised speeds (IE the 610KBPS) which tells me there ISN'T enough bandwidth available. so which is it?
Pretty simple, probably at PEAK times there isn't enough bandwidth. How many people are going to be up at 3 AM? Not many. Also getting people to schedule updates in the middle of the night frees up more bandwidth during peak times.
beaups

join:2003-08-11
Hilliard, OH

Re: I'm confused

So then it would appear as their FAP/Caps is necessary, right?

BF69

join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

Re: I'm confused

said by beaups See Profile :

So then it would appear as their FAP/Caps is necessary, right?
Yeah so? Doesn't mean there service isn't still inferior to DSL/cable. Once again as long as the have high prices and rediculously low caps there customer base will remain small because many people simple either can't afford it or don't think it's worth it even if it's there only choice for internet other than dial-up. If they launch enough satelites to have enough capacity for higher caps then lower the price that will pay for itself with more customers. At the rate they're going both they and wildblue will be out of business in 10 years.
beaups

join:2003-08-11
Hilliard, OH

Re: I'm confused

Of course it's inferior, provided you can get DSL or cable. My point is it appears to be necessary give the the technology.
aeblank

join:2004-09-07
Cadillac, MI

ICK

I need a 100' tall tower to get fixed wireless. My cell signal isn't the greatest for EVDO. I'm 40K feet from the CO, so no DSL. I'm 2 miles past cable. Because of that, I only have ISDN. I am not considering moving to satellite one bit, either.
budr
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Re: ICK

All the above here, and no ISDN either. So it's satellite or dialup, period.
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said by aeblank See Profile :

I need a 100' tall tower to get fixed wireless. My cell signal isn't the greatest for EVDO. I'm 40K feet from the CO, so no DSL. I'm 2 miles past cable. Because of that, I only have ISDN. I am not considering moving to satellite one bit, either.
I have been on both ISDN 64K and satellite. I would take ISDN any day.

Satellite was cool back 10 years almost. Lots of places didn't have broadband, so their growth was good. But moreover there wasn't a lot of bandwidth to use on the internet. These days even web surfing with all the flash and videos will FAP a Sat User.

I think the home sat user days are doomed also. Bandwidth needs will only go up. Sat is already peaked out because of the cost of satellites. In other words Sat has a real economic limit to bandwidth.

However, land based services that say they need to cap current users to add users are just cheating to get bandwidth. Other countries they add more infrastructure. Yeah, the government pays for it. But the more I see how far behind America is falling, and how the free markets failed, a little bit of socialism and regulation can go a long way.
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inferno

join:2008-07-06

..........

I would honestly rather have dial up than this garbage... Satellite internet sucks... What a scam...
beaups

join:2003-08-11
Hilliard, OH

Re: ICK

what other countries are you referring to? and please don't use Japan or any other country that packs 10MM people per square mile...
hescominsoon

join:2003-02-18
Brunswick, MD

hughes isn't the only sat option

wildblue is also available and they have hugely more generous FAP terms.

BF69

join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

Re: hughes isn't the only sat option

said by hescominsoon See Profile :

wildblue is also available and they have hugely more generous FAP terms.
I would have agreed before Hughesnet employed this. wildblues caps are still rediclously low. ~17 GB download per month for $90 a month? Even with Hughesnet cheapest tier which has only a 200 MB daily cap factor in the 5 hour cap-free window and you're talking about up to 72 GB a month download potentially. Right now I'd take Hughesnet's $80 tier with it's 425 MB combined DL/UL daily cap( 12750 MB per month ) and 5 hour cap-free window over Wildblue's 17000 MB DL and 5000 MB UL cap for $90. If Wildblue gets a matching cap-free window then of course they would be the choice.

NickD
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It would be great if they could sell a mobile version of satellite Internet. Then, they can compete with the 3G carriers, and the 500 MB limit would be generous. It would also work anywhere in the country.

Fallout

@direcpc.com

When is Cap free for southern California?

Just want to know if there is this change, at what times will this apply to me? I live in the High Desert San Bernadino California, I have a HN7000S -

Thank you for your response;)
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