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With 100Gbps capacity, users dream of higher FAP
08:37AM Friday Jun 19 2009 by Karl Bode
tags: satellite · competition · business · alternatives · bandwidth · caps · HughesNet Satellite Broadband
HughesNet Communications customers in our forums have been complaining for several years now that the carrier doesn't deliver the speeds advertised, on top of the company's very strict "fair access policy" (or FAP) caps. In a move that may (or may not) improve things, HughesNet this week announced that they'll be launching a new, multi-spot beam, bent pipe Ka-band 100Gbps capacity satellite in the first quarter of 2012. Their last Spaceway 3 launch didn't seem to help, despite the fact the bird was supposed to reduce delivery costs by 70% on a per-bit basis. HughesNet was sued back in May by customers angry that they weren't getting the service promised, yet weren't allowed to get out of long-term contracts with the company.

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Karride
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FAP?

Worst. Acronym. Ever.

Opticwonders
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Re: FAP?

Hehe, so true.

tubbynet
reminds me of the danse russe
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said by Karride See Profile :

Worst. Acronym. Ever.
well, it works well as a sound in pr0n. i guess its kinda fitting since the customers on faps are getting screwed anyway. might as well have them make the noise while they're at it...

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Did Karl do that on purpose?
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Re: FAP?

FAP
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Fabrika automobila Priboj, an automobile production plant in Priboj, Serbia
Financial Aid Professional, also known as an FAA (Financial Aid Administrator)
Fair Access Policy, a term for the system of download and upload limits imposed by satellite internet providers
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Fas-associated phosphatase, an enzyme
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Friendly Adult Presence, an adult overseeing a gathering of minors
Fuerza Aérea del Peru, the Peruvian Air Force
Functional Analytic Psychotherapy, a form of clinical psychology practice.
Fashion Attractiveness Preferences, the FAP score is a personal suitability score FAP Score
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Femto Access Point, also known as Femtocell

Get your mind out of the gutter children.
Sammer

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No the first word after the first letter is just misspelled.

BF69

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Camden, TN
Hughesnet customers fap over the thought of a better FAP. Paying $60 a month for a measly 200 MB a day cap. What a fucking joke.
hottboiinnc
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Re: FAP?

What option do you have otherwise? dial-up? Maybe you should build out a HSI ISP in those rural areas.
iansltx

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Re: FAP?

At times dialup is a better option. When you get sub-dialup speeds due to flow control and have latency triple or quadruple that of dialup, dialup's better.

Smith6612
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100Gbps satellite?

Isn't that basically around the same speed of a satellite that the Japanese launched last year?
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Spaceway did "help"

1. You can now get higher packages on HN service (1, 1.2, 1.6 vs. 0.7, 1, 1.5)
2. The FAP-free window is now 2-7 am
3. If you want to pay out the nose, 300 kbps up and 2, 3 or 5 Mbit/s down speeds are available

The problem is that, discounting FAP-free zones, even the Elite tier (biggest FAP amount) costs as much per GB as CricKet Mobile Broadband...except CricKet just throttles you slightly rather than cutting of your entier connection. Also, Cricket is $40/month. In other words, the 15GB of bandwidth HN gives, on top of flow control and FAP crap, is rather atrocious even with the new bird (which was probably needed because the old one was just horrible, am I right?).

Upon further research, the 1.6/250 ProPlus plan has the biggest $-to-GB ratio: 12.75 GB per month for "only" $80. Still utterly ridiculous, especially with flow control. I don't know anyone around here with HN but I guess that means it's pretty bad

Everyone around here has WildBlue and latency is horrible (1200+ ms). Speeds on everyone's $50 512/128 package are as advertised however and the 9.5 GB cap (7.5 down, 2 up) is worth $70 on HughesNet. If you're not counting the FAP-free dzone WB has a whole lot more bandwidth available to their subscribers (17.5 GB down, 5 GB up on their $80 plan) than competitors. But the service is still crappy.

Which makes me wonder why Hughes put up a bird with only 10 Gbps of routing capacity as their "satellite of the future". Yes, 10 Gbps is a lot...until you're dealing with a few hundred thousand customers. With terrestrial network backbones going to 40 Gbps and beyond, you end up with a system that's outdated upon launch and can't handle modern traffic, let along next-gen...
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facepalm

Yeah, I bet lots of customers are looking forward to more FAP,
sonicmerlin

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Cleveland, OH

Heh

This is why I love the stupidity of American broadband providers:

From an article written or PC World on February 25, 2008:
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Japan has launched a satellite that is able to provide high-speed Internet connections to homes and offices at speeds rivaling those of today's fiber optic connections.

The satellite launched Saturday, called Kizuna, is part of the government's e-Japan project and its modest aim is the creation of the world's most advanced information and telecommunications network.

It will be able to provide broadband Internet connections to homes with download speeds of up to 155M bps (bits per second) and upload speeds of 6M bps. The services will be delivered via 45-centimeter dish antennas, which are about the same size as those used for digital direct-to-home (DTH) satellite TV services in many countries.

Even faster connections at download speeds of around 1.2G bps will be offered to commercial users via 5 meter antennas."

That's from *over a year ago*. So tell me, what prevents the US government from pursuing a similar program? Oh right, Americans hate anything government-related. Brilliant.
me1212

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Re: Heh

Or the fact that it would still not be as good as wired or wireless connections. Plus the lobbying people would try to stop it.

It would be a lot smart to invest in wireless in stead of sat internet. Wireless as pings comparable to wired and can support VoIP. In 10 years or so I think wireless will be as big as wired. Maybe bigger.
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Re: Heh

said by me1212 See Profile :

In 10 years or so I think wireless will be as big as wired. Maybe bigger.
Not if all the wireless companies insist on a 5GB cap.
me1212

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Re: Heh

Fixed wireless not mobile.

Sweden already has an ISP that uses LTE and gets 100m down, IDK about the upload I think 50m but not 100% sure.
patcat88

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Probably not enough free satellite bands. US business always resorted to satellite rather than wired land networks for anything. T1s and satellite probably cost the same, or satellite costs less in the long run than using a Ma Bell T1. Cash register transactions, CCTV, Muzak, TV/cable distribution, etc. On Japan, because of its small size, you must be nuts to think about not running a land cable.
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Here's an idea!

How about they raise the FAP from 200 MB a day to 10 GB a day or 300 GB a month, drop the price from $70+ a month to $30 and go back to 3 free hours. Customer satisfaction would skyrocket!

Seriously though, we must've had a good install because signal is good, speed is good and reliability is far and above beyond what we expected in rain. The main problem is the TERRIBLE FAP! If they gave 300 GB a month, I'd have no qualms.
A Tech

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Re: Here's an idea!

So you are expecting to be able to run a TV uplink service over satellite for less than $3 a day
bobb4jesus

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Re: Here's an idea!

Obviously you didn't get the 'seriously though' part. My first paragraph was definitively sarcastic in tone, but maybe I should have made it more conclusively so.

In any event, I know the inherent problems with satellite service but also know that in Japan, the WINDS system gives speed of over 50 Mbps to HOMES and over 1.0 Gbps to businesses. Granted who knows of the download limits etc. but HughesNet should be able to lighten the FAP a little at least.
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Because I had no choice

a new bird that will make things better, HA! heard that one before

I had Hughes for the worst two years of my life, only because i had no other choice. Even dial-up would have been a pain due to the fact we just use cell phones, and from talking to neighbors the lines out here are garbage.

The FAP was oppressive, I had to set everything to dl during the free time, and even then it took once took me TWO WEEKS to get an 8gb file. During flow control times (lasting as long as from 3pm-10pm) even browsing became near impossible.

I dared to call tech support once, you get Indians, which i have nothing against, its the fact they serve no purpose other than to read from a script, apologize and waste your time.

You better know how to re-point the thing yourself, because it would be a minimum of a couple weeks to get a tech to come out, in the event you waited through a few hours of thick indi-english.

Thank god for the Hughes Forums here on bbr, they were a godsend, it was via this site i was able to pull off a re-point after my dad backed into the sat pole. The good folks on that forum are the only semblance of customer support Hughes has.

Now I have EVDO through nTelos, its not the best but it beats the everloving freaking snot out of Hughes.
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The last promise was empty

I was hoping that Hughesnets new Ka service would help
relive the crippling congestion on the network.
Tried it and was sadly dissapointed last year.
THe neighbor next door still has hughesnet and i occasionally
try it to see if anything has changed. It hasn't.
Still pretty much a useless gesture i called false broadband.

Rock

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The new bird means nothing to me

HughesNet pushed a similar kind of hype with the launch of Spaceway 3 and what did it give us? Very little. Sure, it raised the tiers by a very measly amount (and to be honest, I never reached anywhere near the max speeds that the package boasted). I very, very strongly doubt that the new bird will mean anything for their customers.
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Re: The new bird means nothing to me

Here's the answer turn your iphone tethering on with 6gig a month and your set, pings are good, not great but good, download speed is over 2meg!
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