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| Re: Yes I have a comment.... said by Rob :said by Cheese :HN is out of their f'in minds! 3/300 for 189 a month? RIDICULOUS! Said the person with a 8/2 connection for 57.95/mo. Exactly, I like my 8/2 for 57 a month  | |
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join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: Yes I have a comment.... I'll keep my 3008/512kbps for $24.95/month thanks -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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| Re: Yes I have a comment.... said by en102 :I'll keep my 3008/512kbps for $24.95/month thanks Sounds good!  | |
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| Re: Yes I have a comment.... said by Camelot One :Thats only if you pay the $300 upfront fee, otherwise it's $209.99! Most people would call it highway robbery. I think the 500Mb daily cap would be the bigger issue for me though. Back when I had DirecWay, they advertised speeds up to 1800 down, which is/was fast enough for general web browsing. But I couldn't download a windows service pack without exceeding the daily limits. Yep, hell even some games in today's world, just UPDATES exceed that!  | |
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join:2007-03-09 Columbia, PA | Re: Yes I have a comment.... Very, very true. I just downloaded almost 3 gigs from the Xbox LIVE Marketplace yesterday.
I'll stick with my 8/2 Comcast connection for $43/month. | |
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| Re: Yes I have a comment.... said by Skeedatl :Duh, ya think? HN is for people who have no alternative. We know that, DUH, the price is still ridiculous for what it is. | |
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| said by Camelot One :Thats only if you pay the $300 upfront fee, otherwise it's $209.99! Most people would call it highway robbery. I think the 500Mb daily cap would be the bigger issue for me though. Back when I had DirecWay, they advertised speeds up to 1800 down, which is/was fast enough for general web browsing. But I couldn't download a windows service pack without exceeding the daily limits. 500 MB a day = 14.65 GB a month. And people complain about possible 250 GB caps from cable | |
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| Re: Yes I have a comment.... What makes even less since is that most cell phone data plans have a 5 GB cap. Its not like cell phone companies are launching satellites. And to make matters worse EV-DO rev a is faster by far. Before one of you say you don't get EV-DO as your primary home connection. Keep in mind that is exactly what Alltel sold me with a router. And all of you that do have data plans as well as your home broadband connection I would think you would like to see the 5 GB cap higher. I am hopeful that the FCC will make Verizon and all cell provider increase the cap if they approve the Alltel purchase. and hopefully it will be at least 6 times higher. The higher the caps of the slower broadband alternatives the higher caps will have to be on true broadband services should they ever be implemented. | |
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| Re: Yes I have a comment.... "We'll we should get ATT, VZ and Comcast to roll back the speeds to the way they were when HSI first came out and then let people bitch about the prices."--- That's a great idea *IF* the federal government didn't give them billions of our tax dollars for them to increase the infrastructure --- that they still yet to give to the consumer. | |
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join:2005-11-15 Springfield, MO | yea if bet you could get a real T1 for close to what they want for 3mbps and it might be better >.> seeing as 500MB a DAY isnt much and 14Kbps cap after? you might as well use a 58K modem its faster... | |
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| Re: Yes I have a comment.... said by elios :yea if bet you could get a real T1 for close to what they want for 3mbps and it might be better >.> seeing as 500MB a DAY isnt much and 14Kbps cap after? you might as well use a 58K modem its faster... It would be better, better uploads, better SLA, no caps on download limits, etc.. | |
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join:2001-12-09 Waterloo, IA | You're right. A full T1 is around $300 to $350, and you get an SLA too.
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| Re: Yes I have a comment.... said by pabster :You're right. A full T1 is around $300 to $350, and you get an SLA too. These guys are nuts. Good luck getting that rate out in the middle of BFE. Thats where all these people are getting satellite in the first place. They aren't in the city. They are out in the sticks. Getting a T1 run all the way out there is almost double that rate depending on how far outside the city you are. | |
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| Re: Yes I have a comment.... That's the key thing- HughesNet isn't trying to steal customers from Verizon, Comcast, TWC, or at&t, they're going for customers who have no other option except for dialup (and sometimes not even that)... That's what lets them get away with such huge costs. (Plus, running a satellite operation isn't cheap) | |
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join:2005-11-15 Springfield, MO | Re: Yes I have a comment.... did you miss the its sat. some were "1.3sec pongs" duh geo sync orbit is ~1/2 sec up and ~1/2 down at speed of light
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| Re: Yes I have a comment.... said by elios :did you miss the its sat. some were "1.3sec pongs" duh geo sync orbit is ~1/2 sec up and ~1/2 down at speed of light lucky its not more then 1.3 sec actually geo synch orbit is 1/8 of a sec.
speed of light 186,282 mps geo synch orbit 22,500 miles 1/8 of 186,282 = 23,285. 22,500 is pretty close to 23,285 | |
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| Re: Yes I have a comment.... said by BF69 :said by elios :did you miss the its sat. some were "1.3sec pongs" duh geo sync orbit is ~1/2 sec up and ~1/2 down at speed of light lucky its not more then 1.3 sec actually geo synch orbit is 1/8 of a sec. speed of light 186,282 mps geo synch orbit 22,500 miles 1/8 of 186,282 = 23,285. 22,500 is pretty close to 23,285 true but thats as the laser goes 1/4 of a sec from base to your home not counting time it takes A. processing on the ground be for broadcast and B.Processing that the bird has to do 1/2 sec and 1/2 down is more of just a good number to live by | |
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| Re: Yes I have a comment.... said by elios :said by BF69 :said by elios :did you miss the its sat. some were "1.3sec pongs" duh geo sync orbit is ~1/2 sec up and ~1/2 down at speed of light lucky its not more then 1.3 sec actually geo synch orbit is 1/8 of a sec. speed of light 186,282 mps geo synch orbit 22,500 miles 1/8 of 186,282 = 23,285. 22,500 is pretty close to 23,285 true but thats as the laser goes 1/4 of a sec from base to your home not counting time it takes A. processing on the ground be for broadcast and B.Processing that the bird has to do 1/2 sec and 1/2 down is more of just a good number to live by I know that but that's not what you stated
"geo sync orbit is ~1/2 sec up and ~1/2 down at speed of light "
You didn't meantion any processing to be done. I assume you meant pure distance. At any rate latency would be at least 250 milliseconds more than any terrestial interent you could get. | |
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join:2007-02-19 Fredericksburg, TX | Re: Yes I have a comment.... Okay, I was just contrasting it with what it *should* be, and was before WildBlue made changes, around 600ms. Which is much more useable IMO than freakin' 1300! | |
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| said by elios :did you miss the its sat. some were "1.3sec pongs" duh geo sync orbit is ~1/2 sec up and ~1/2 down at speed of light lucky its not more then 1.3 sec Pings for WB use to be around 600 ms until they started traffic shaping. Pings then doubled. -- RIP my baby Buttons 1/15/94-2/9/07 Buttons, Buttons video
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join:2006-10-19 USA | Re: Yes I have a comment.... I'm in nowhere and got quoted $555 for a T1. | |
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join:2001-12-09 Waterloo, IA | It just depends. I've got a remote site which could be classified as BFE and the cost for a full T1 is under $400 a month. Obviously this varies wildly. | |
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| More than double that rate actually. I just bought a home in SE Wisconsin (one would think that's reasonably well populated, right?) where I can ONLY get Wild Blue or Hughes. There aren't even DSL options for my new house! This was a bit of a shock, as I currently have Comcast High Speed Internet - in the country in New Mexico - which most people don't even realize is inside the U.S.! Considering how great my high speed internet is living way out in the boondocks, it never occurred to me that internet access would be a nightmare less than 45 minutes north of Milwaukee. Anyway, I tried the T.1 route, but it won't fly. I could afford it, but nobody would commit to running the services out to us in less than 18 months. Satellite nightmare, here I come . . . | |
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| Where are you getting quotes for a T1 for $300-$350 total? My T1 is DIRT cheap at $360 plus $40 in fees. And that is for a short loop.
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join:2001-12-09 Waterloo, IA | Re: Yes I have a comment.... I use MegaPath and the total cost is just under $400. It is a fairly short loop. | |
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| said by Skeedatl :Where are you getting quotes for a T1 for $300-$350 total? My T1 is DIRT cheap at $360 plus $40 in fees. And that is for a short loop. There is no way you're going to get a T1 for less than $350 out in the middle of nowhere. But those cheap speakeasy T1 lines are really bonded DSL lines. think of it as DSL with a SLA. -- When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee | |
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| i live in an area where satellite is an alternative and i have a t1 for $800/mo so those of you who think you can get a t1 for 350.. let me know where to sign up. | |
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join:2005-09-28 00000 | After all it costs nothing to build and launch a satellite. | |
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| Re: This would be awesome if... said by Fox McCloud :the 2.0 Meg was $89.99 a month and the 3.0 Meg was $99.99 a month, and had the same caps. As it stands, that's way too expensive, though I have no doubt that there will be some wealthy individuals out in the country who will get the 3 meg plan just because it's faster and has a larger cap....heh, if I was a multi-millionaire, I may do it. I would have liked to see the 3 meg package have something like 400-500 kilobits down and a 600-700 MB daily cap though. interesting step and advance, but it's just too expensive as it stands. They should have just fazed out the 700 kbps adn 1.5 Mbps tiers then lowered the 1 Mbps tier to $60 made the 2 Mbps tier $70 and the 3 Mbps tier $80. Raise the caps to 500, 750, and 1000 MB then maybe you might actually get somewhere.
I have a friend who lives where this is his only option for broadband and sorry he'd rather have no intenet that to pay outrageous prices for satelite or have dial-up. While $80 for 3 Mbp and 1000 MB daily cap would still be BS to me it's an option he might actually consider. Too bad satelite companies don't actually want new customers. | |
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  Skeedatl Ah, push it - push it real good Premium join:2007-12-26 The Cloud | Bring on the dummies... ....who talk about how their DSL, fiber or cable connection is superior and way cheaper.
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join:2002-01-03 Schererville, IN | Why are they calling it broadband? 500mb a day is what you can do on a connection with a download speed of 47.4kb/s. So how is this broadband when a person with a dial-up modem can download more data in one day and probably enjoy a 1/3 of the latency? | |
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| said by insomniac84 :500mb a day is what you can do on a connection with a download speed of 47.4kb/s. So how is this broadband when a person with a dial-up modem can download more data in one day and probably enjoy a 1/3 of the latency? because no one runs their connection 24/7 and RESIDENTIAL accounts weren't made for that purpose anyways. A person on dial-up wouldn't run thier connection 24/7 until they had line dedicated to strictly internet
500 MB sucks still 2.5X more than what you can download on their 700 Kbps tier. | |
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join:2008-02-13 Hingham, MA | Interestingly, HughesNet is one of the few companies I see advertising that their service is "broadband", as opposed to "High Speed Internet". | |
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