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Now, that's insane. It makes the Verizon/Sprint/AT&T 5GB caps on their Aircards look like its generous.
If I were in a VZ/Sprint/AT&T coverage area and it was only satellite versus using a cell carrier, I'd get the cell carrier and one of those Linksys routers where you plug the PC Card into. -- acadiel's blog is here
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3 edits | I hate to rain on the parade here. But the numbers in the article are PER DAY and not per month as said(since corrected) in the BBR news post: »HughesNet Lowers 'FAP' Caps quote: HughesNet actually lowered the monthly consumption limit for some users on their most popular Pro (1Mbps, $70) tier from 375 MB per month to 300 MB.
Here is the info from the HughsNet web site: »www.hughes.com/HUGHES/Rooms/Disp···FA5369]]
Hughes assigns a download threshold to each service plan that limits the amount of data that may be downloaded during a typical day. While even the daily caps are somewhat low, they don't require the panic based on the assertion that they were MONTHLY numbers. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk? | |
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| Re: 300MB Do the math. That's $8.00/GB/month. Hell, that make COMCRAP look good, which is about $0.28 cents per GB. Of course, neither of them hold a candle to FIOS, which cost $0.00184 (1/10 of a penny) cents per month per GB. So hughesnet costs 28 times MORE than Comcrap, and 4,320 times more than FIOS on a PER GB basis. If that's not an argument for a real nationwide FIOS rollout, I don't know what is.
In other terms get 28 hughes satellites and you can hit comcraps 250GB Cap. Get 4,320 satellites, and you can hit what the 'average' FIOS can do in a month. -- The happiest countries are the most secular. The struggle AGAINST corporations is the struggle FOR humanity! | |
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join:2005-11-26 | Re: 300MB Uh they don't serve all of their customers that amount of bandwidth with just one satellite. Spaceway 3 is just their most recent satellite. So it would actually be more. | |
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| said by karlmarx :Do the math. That's $8.00/GB/month. Hell, that make COMCRAP look good, which is about $0.28 cents per GB. Of course, neither of them hold a candle to FIOS, which cost $0.00184 (1/10 of a penny) cents per month per GB. So hughesnet costs 28 times MORE than Comcrap, and 4,320 times more than FIOS on a PER GB basis. If that's not an argument for a real nationwide FIOS rollout, I don't know what is. Sprint/Verizon/AT&T and their 5GB cap or should I say FAP, charges $12 per GB... so Hughes would be a bargain... nah, I was just kidding. | |
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join:2003-09-25 Saint Louis, MO | Can't even download MS Updates With a cap like that downloading XP SP3 is out of the question. | |
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I love being right. -- WhY sO SeRiOUs!? | |
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join:2003-10-02 Santa Cruz, CA | Holy cow Holy cow,
$189.99 for 14 minutes of downloading at the rated speed.
And then being forced to wait a whole month for the privilege to do it again?
Boy am i glad i fired them those many years ago. | |
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| Re: Holy cow There, Fixed it.
said by davepk :Holy cow, $189.99 for 14 minutes of downloading at the rated speed. And then being forced to wait a whole DAY for the privilege to do it again? Boy am i glad i fired them those many years ago. | |
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| said by davepk :Holy cow, $189.99 for 14 minutes of downloading at the rated speed. And then being forced to wait a whole month for the privilege to do it again? Boy am i glad i fired them those many years ago. I don't understand how they stay in business. | |
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| Re: Holy cow said by The Folsom : Must be that hot redhead thay have hawking their service every five minutes... How hard did you jam your tongue into your cheek when you typed that?  -- "Our network engineers are aware of the problem..." | |
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| That's pretty sad. A whole 7 hours a month of advertised speeds?
Assuming the numbers are correct, a 30 day month would mean they only want you to use 1% of your connection.
I don't understand how they keep customers. Today alone I've transferred 1 Gb of data with no p2p what-so-ever from 12 am until now (6:30 pm). That's with my workstation being idle from 10 am until 5 pm too! That's not counting the other 4 work stations on the network who are also active.
It simply boggles my mind as I'm sure it does others. | |
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| Re: Holy cow said by KaziSmith :That's pretty sad. A whole 7 hours a month of advertised speeds? Assuming the numbers are correct, a 30 day month would mean they only want you to use 1% of your connection. I don't understand how they keep customers. pretty simple it's either satelite, cell or dial-up. So what choice does someone in the boonies have? Go with cell and pay $60 for a 5 GB cap and in Verizon's case, get charged $256 per GB overage. Or use dial-up and make your surfing as painful as possible. | |
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1 edit | said by BF69 :Or use dial-up and make your surfing as painful as possible. ... the users who violate those caps face being throttled to below dial up speeds (between 7 and 14kbps)... According to the story, once you hit the cap and get FAP'd you're better off on Dial-up anyway. Most average 28-45 kbps on dialup which is already 2-4 times faster then their FAP. Unless they meant kBps.
But then it comes down to comparing $30 a month for dial-up vs $200+ for damn near the same thing after 7 hours of use. (Obviously more if the connection isn't utilized heavily. See: 1 pc vs a household of 4+ all on the net at the same time) | |
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| Re: Holy cow said by KaziSmith :said by BF69 :Or use dial-up and make your surfing as painful as possible. ... the users who violate those caps face being throttled to below dial up speeds (between 7 and 14kbps)... According to the story, once you hit the cap and get FAP'd you're better off on Dial-up anyway. Most average 28-45 kbps on dialup which is already 2-4 times faster then their FAP. Unless they meant k Bps. But then it comes down to comparing $30 a month for dial-up vs $200+ for damn near the same thing after 7 hours of use. (Obviously more if the connection isn't utilized heavily. See: 1 pc vs a household of 4+ all on the net at the same time) The cap is 24 hours. So if you excedd 300 MB in any 24 hour period you get throtled down to that slow speed until your 24 average hits 70% of that cap. The $200 tier is 500 MB per day not 300 MB. Still sucky though. Supposedly anything you download from 3 AM-6 AM is not counted towards your cap. | |
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1 edit | Re: Holy cow said by BF69 :The cap is 24 hours. So if you excedd 300 MB in any 24 hour period you get throtled down to that slow speed until your 24 average hits 70% of that cap. The $200 tier is 500 MB per day not 300 MB. Still sucky though. Supposedly anything you download from 3 AM-6 AM is not counted towards your cap. Well, the time period still stands. 7 Hours of use is correct as long as you continue to hit that cap over a 30 day period.
And as far as the MB per day is concerned, 200 mb difference on a 5 Mb plan doesn't change almost anything.
The 3-6 am "freebie", that's an extremely small window but it's something I suppose.
I still think a daily cap sub-gigabyte range on a 5 megabit connection is rather idiotic. Just goes to show what people try to get away with. | |
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That is per day, not month. | |
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join:2007-06-12 Rego Park, NY | Re: CAPS YAWN, might as well pop out a BGAN terminal and not be subject to some sort of stupid AP. It's pseudo-portable as well BTW.... | |
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| INSANE!! However Sign up for this service most be really DESPERATE, might as well bend over to the company and get rape the right way LMAO | |
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| Re: INSANE!! said by Anon007 :However Sign up for this service most be really DESPERATE,  might as well bend over to the company and get rape the right way LMAO Without lube.  -- WhY sO SeRiOUs!? | |
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| how to make money 101 You take an internet connection and then you create this drama about its value, and then charge people lots of money.
In other words, you get the customer to PAY ATTENTION (not just pay money).
Once you have the customer's attention, you create this drama -- "You want more, but reality is such. Let's cooperate and I'm sure we can work something out". See, they're actually being generous!
An internet connection is an internet connection. It's either reliable or not, SLA or not, and the network it's attached to is either capable of handling the load or not capable of handling the load.
See, you get everyone focused on the limits, and in such a way differentiate and create value.
I could probably state that focusing on the "injustice" of various situations is probably the most effective way of generating interenet traffic. The minute the internet becomes "no big deal", that's pretty much the minute that the insane bandwidth consumption stops.
Maybe all this talk of caps is actually increasing internet usage and giving more folks the impression that there is something of value to be had here? | |
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| Glad I got out I got HughesNet February of last year, Speeds never, ever, were as advertised. Most times I got half or less, sometimes below dial-up speeds non-FAPed. Dumped them this February after going through my state's AG and then the BBB. So glad I can get wireless now (non-capped with Millenicom on Sprint service). -- Windows XP Pro SP2|AMD Athlon 64 FX-57|2GB Dual Channel RAM|2x GeForce 7950 GT 512MB|250GB HDD | |
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| Re: Glad I got out They may not stay unlimited, but they are unlimited now. I also have no contract headaches if, in the future, they cap their service and I want out.
What would you rather have? -- Windows XP Pro SP2|AMD Athlon 64 FX-57|2GB Dual Channel RAM|2x GeForce 7950 GT 512MB|250GB HDD | |
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join:2006-10-09 Providence, RI | Does this story come with a This "news" should come with a wet nap to wipe all of the sarcasm off. | |
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| Re: Why do they have any customers? You make a good point, but keep in mind that most satellite customers live in rural areas where T1s are often priced from $700 to $1000 per month. Those $359 T1s are only in populated areas. And ISDNs aren't available everywhere, if I'm not mistaken. | |
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| Re: Why do they have any customers? said by jaminus :You make a good point, but keep in mind that most satellite customers live in rural areas where T1s are often priced from $700 to $1000 per month. Those $359 T1s are only in populated areas. And ISDNs aren't available everywhere, if I'm not mistaken. $700?? Really? Hopefully that isn't the case everywhere. I'm probably missing something, but I thought it was an issue of connecting to the nearest C.O., since beyond that the necessary infrastructure is there. Right?
As for ISDN, I could be wrong but it was my understanding that nearly every C.O. can support it. However ISDN didn't take off largely because of broadband in the larger cities. 128k is terrible compared to say, 3M/768k. But it's still way better than 53K (more like 40K if you're lucky).
But, I've always assumed that if I wanted, I could call AT&T and tell them to give me ISDN.
Also, Wow...just wow. Sometimes I've thought that I'd like to live in a rural area. But that'd take a lot a money. After all like most users here I'm probably a bandwidth starved geek. | |
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| Re: Why do they have any customers? Living in a rural area has a lot of financial advantages, too. Housing a heck of a lot cheaper in the country than the city, and restaurant prices are much more reasonable, too. Living in the city also entails cramped conditions, noisiness, crime, and a general lack of solitude that many people do not enjoy. | |
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| said by benc :They're so high priced for what you get that a T1 is affordable compared to that. With a T1 you get: - Low latency - Highly reliable - No CAPs - Awesome upload speed - You will always get the speed you pay for. T1's in the boonies are a minimum of around $1000 per month, going way up to over $3k in places. Chances are that if you are in a location that is served only by satellite (no "cellular" data available), a T1 will be cost prohibitive. -- If history teaches us anything, it teaches that simple-minded appeasement or wishful thinking about our adversaries is folly. -Ronald Reagan-
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| Thanks for letting us know, Hughes! Was anyone notified by email that their FAP cap was reduced? I'm on the Pro plan and have several times relied on the 375-MB cap to finish what I was doing. I wasn't informed that they cut it by 25%.
Now that I know (thanks to this fine site), I'll adjust my usage and stay safe. However, one would assume that when such a drastic cut in service occurs, Hughes would have the decency to notify its customers of the fact.
Then again, that's what any good, responsible company would do. This is Hughes. 
Oh, well. Verizon is finaly bringing DSL to my town,. so MAYBE I'll be able to cut the cord. | |
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Wouldn't dial up be better? | |
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| Re: Thanks for letting us know, Hughes! That all depends on the contract...not all contracts have that loophole.
And who knows...perhaps they ran their contract out and have been subscribing to it since the only other option is dial up.
Honestly...if it were this or dial up...I'd choose dial up.
I think my AT&T 3G speeds for my iPhone are faster and less limited than these plans. Ouch. | |
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join:2008-02-12 Weed, CA | I wasn't notified by any email.... I've been checking them here and there.
Nothing.
Oh, lucky you. >:
Still no luck here... And only Verizon Wireless, which I doubt is even EVDO speed out here, or if it is, it's Rev A. | |
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| I'm on the home plan - our cap is 200mb in a 24 hour limit. Their policy says they can modify the plan at any time with or without notice and to review the terms periodically - I reviewed them today and didn't see any changes - but I'm on the home plan. And speeds are NEVER as advertised - but it is better than dial up. However when they say you go down to dial up speeds - you usually get nothing because your pages time out - or the speeds are far lower than dial up. I would never ever ever recommend Hughes Net to anyone. I live in a rural area and it's this or dial up. I do a lot of research on the computer so I need to load the pages fast so I'm sticking with it. BUT I can't watch videos or podcasts or I'll be cut off (one or two will cut you off for 24 hours), have to do my downloads between 3am and 6am unless they're real small. There's no way to keep track of things - tried some of these free downloads to monitor and they didn't work. And Hughes net judges on this "rolling" 24 hours so I'm clueless when things start "rolling"...I don't play games - so latency isn't much of an issue with me. There is definitely some - and it isn't even close to being as fast as broadband (I'm in shock when I use my boyfriend's computer..it's like WOW...and he has verizon broadband)
I really wish a bunch of people could get together and somehow monitor things and start a class action suit..there's been success in lawsuits against Sprint and Dell lately..seems like the courts are getting a little more pro-consumer...
Although if all my computer file/records will be at the court's disposal..well..that's kinda eerie...but I might think about it...
If anyone knows any type of class-action suit going on or how to keep track of things email me at my blog »www.reportingstatistics.blogspot.com.
I'm putting up a new website on statistics (»reportingstatistics.com) and have a section on internet - think I'll dedicate a page to Hughes net when I get it up..hmmm maybe we can collectively report speed or something..I'll have to give that a thought...
But based on the Sprint and Dell decisions...I can't help but think there's potential for a class action suit... | |
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| technology Isn't technology supposed to enhance with time? All i've been seeing in this country is a crab bucket similation of technology deEvolution here lately.. With every wireless company getting excited that they are limiting everyone to 5 gig a month and claim its WAY more than you need.. And now this crap? God i'm glad I'm not a satellite user... | |
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| Well, to be completely fair . . . . . . to Hughesnet, I believe that they still offer a download "window" each day that does NOT count against the daily cap (in my area that's from like 1am to 4am). So, it's a "soft limit." Because, with a download manager (or lots of coffee), you CAN in fact download more than the daily "limit" without suffering consequences. Of course, how much you can download in that "window" depends upon what speed you're getting.
Personally, I switched from Hughesnet to Sprint mobile broadband at the beginning of the year and haven't looked back.
Yes, Sprint has a monthly 5GB cap, but so far I'm only using about 2GB to 3GB per month. And, I don't have any VPN issues (Hughesnet suggests that VPNs can run into issues). Plus, if my Sprint connection is degraded because of heavy use on a particular tower . . . I can simply relocate to another location (libary, coffee shop, etc.) and resume.
Sure I'd choose cable or DSL over either Sprint or Hughesnet, but that's not an option for everyone. | |
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| Re: Well, to be completely fair . . . said by Mce Saint :. . . to Hughesnet, I believe that they still offer a download "window" each day that does NOT count against the daily cap (in my area that's from like 1am to 4am). Can we trade times? Mine sucks
3am to 6am. I be in bed that time. | |
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| the cell carriers are probally stricter about what can be used over them. i mean id not game over sat ever, but i wonder what cell carriers have against say someone sneaking in a WoW session when in one of those expensive hotels.(because oddly enough the motel 6 has free wifi and the Ritz charges). -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
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join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO | Re: Well, to be completely fair . . . Nothing. AT&T just doesn't like P2P multi-connection stuff throwing a monkey wrench into their systems. Though FWIW I haven't had a good torrenting experience over AT&T Mobile Broadband anyway. I use ImageShack for that. | |
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join:2008-01-17 Bangor, ME | 375 MB per day to 300 MB it isn't 300MB a month it is 300mb a day. | |
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join:2007-12-29 Creston, WV | Still This will only go for new Pro Spaceway 3 users.
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| HughesNet = capitalism at it's worst I was bored when I happened to come across this topic so I thought I'd kill some time by posting a soul clearing rant. My first and thankfully last encounter with HughesNet was while I was volunteering with a non-profit in a rural part of Northern California. Our particular organization had three dishes through HughesNet. We were spending close to $500 per month on service for all three dishes and still would hit FAP almost everyday, sometimes multiple times in a day. Unfortunately for us, we didn't have ANY really viable alternatives. In rural areas like the one where I was working, dial-up isn't even a practical alternative to HughesNet. This is mainly because in that particular area there was only one available option for local phone service. As a result we had to pay per minute to make local phone calls. As expencive as HughesNet was, dial-up ended up being even more expencive. On top of that, the area had horrible cell phone reception. If by cell phone reception you mean that by standing in the right 2 foot by 2 foot spot with just the right amount of precipitation and cloud coverage you can sometimes make or recive calls on a cell phone. So you can understand why cell phone company provided internet was not an option either.
However, HughesNet in all it's benevolence saw fit to provide us with 3 hours of unlimitted usage during the hours of Midnight till 3 AM. Of course it seemed as though some mysterious cosmic force would often cause our satelite connection to fail during those hours.
Plus, I found it a little annoying how they calculated the FAP. For those of you unfamiliar with HugheNet's "sliding scale" policy, the way FAP is determined is quite simple. If during any 24 hour period, your usage excedes the limit, you are penalized. So basically each hour they look back at your last 24 hours of use and if that exceeds the limit, you get whacked. Which is annoying because when you go over you don't necessarily get hit for 24 hours and then you're off. I can recall cases where we spent DAYS on constant FAP. Sometimes you get off of FAP only to be back on it an hour later.
The reason why HughesNet is still in business is simple. There was a time when there was more than one provider of satelite internet service. However thanks to HughesNet's brilliant business strategy (buying out all of its competition) it is now the only game in town. As a result they can do whatever the heck they want. Charge however much they want. Dick around its customers whenever they want to. Provide as little value to their customers as is humanly possible. I mean what are people going to do about it... People who have other options generally don't use HughesNet, and the people who use them generally don't have other options. I know what it feels like to be in that position. You can either switch to dial-up and pay through the nose to the only local phone service you can get; drive 30 minutes each way just to use wifi at Starbucks (which I've done courtesy of FAP); or just suck it up stick your tail between your legs and crawl back to HughesNet and let them continue to rape you. HughesNet is the Devil (Sorry if I offended the Devil). OK, I feel better now. | |
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| Re: HughesNet = capitalism at it's worst I agree with everything on this page. Hughesnet is basically a huge ripoff but in many cases (including mine) it is the ONLY option for internet service above 19k that I get from dial-up. I will say that my internet service is reliable. I would say my satellite signal is UP at least 99.9% of the time so no problems there. However, The FAP drives me crazy since I have 3 PC's using the internet and it's hard to control usage. I finally have to resort to a Proxy program to monitor usage. Also we now schedule downloads from 3-6am to avoid the FAP. Using satellite means you have to actually pay very close attention to your usage and change the way you work. H
The biggest problem I have with Hughesnet is that they throttle most customers during their "peak" times down below 100kbps regardless of FAP. Since I am on the 700k plan, that reduction during the day when I am working is ridiculous. I'm paying $60 a month for service that is NOT being provided. Then their Tech Support line is a joke and blatantly lies to you.
Solution Found to Hughesnet problems: If you have hughesnet and are fed up -- file a BBB complaint with the Washington DC office. Someone from the Hughesnet Main office will call you to "resolve" your complaint within 2 weeks. At this point you can ask for the moon and they will listen. This is the only way they will listen. | |
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| Re: HughesNet = capitalism at it's worst I too am fed up with Hughesnet.I seldom ever get decent speeds.I have called customer service and basically they just put you off.They want those darn speed tests.So I told them.....ok I'll do the speed tests and send them to the FCC.So I did file a complaint with the FCC.The FCC says we are entitled to fair and equal internet access.I see nothing fair about Hughesnet.I am working on compiling more info to send to the FCC.I encourage all to file a complaint with the FCC.Perhaps they can help us rural folk who are prisoner to Hughesnet.Hopefully with all the auctioning of the 700 mhz bands from the DTV changeover will bring broadband/dsl to rural communities quicker.I am hoping. | |
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