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join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | Re: Stick with dialup! exactly what other choice is there for people that live out of range of cable and DSL? | |
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| Re: Stick with dialup! said by BF69 :exactly what other choice is there for people that live out of range of cable and DSL? Many around here use wireless internet, like DTN Speednet. While it sure ain't DSL or cable, it's certainly better than any satellite internet service. | |
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| Re: Stick with dialup! said by dishrich :said by BF69 :exactly what other choice is there for people that live out of range of cable and DSL? Many around here use wireless internet, like DTN Speednet. While it sure ain't DSL or cable, it's certainly better than any satellite internet service. There is nothing like that in my area. So people like my best friend that lives a mere 3 miles from city limits is stuck with dial-up or satelite. I guess the governemnt wants people like my friend to move out of the "boonies" and move to town since they don't seem to care. | |
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| said by HotRodFoto :And what about using Sprint Mobile or even Verizon?? Just pop the card in your desktop and away you go! Have you looked to see if you can get it there? Nope not available here. All we have is 1XRTT which is, if you're lucky, double dail-up. | |
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| Re: Stick with dialup! said by BF69 :said by HotRodFoto :And what about using Sprint Mobile or even Verizon?? Just pop the card in your desktop and away you go! Have you looked to see if you can get it there? Nope not available here. All we have is 1XRTT which is, if you're lucky, double dail-up. That is odd cuz I see the local Hotels have high speed wireless, which you would think would also be available to residential.... -- Capturing the images of Colorado »jdebordphoto.com | |
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join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ | the hotels probally had a T carrier line already for hotel business. so they threw in some internet in the rooms. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
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join:2007-05-12 Alma, AR | satellite another reason satellite internet sucks.I would go to an internet cafe or a libary before i would pay or deal with that crap. | |
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join:2008-02-04 | Re: satellite I'd use a library or internet cafe if there was one around. I am rural and need the broadband if I want to stay in touch (which I do). So, yes, I'd sure like to know what the other options might be for those of us in the boonies. Thanks. | |
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| Re: satellite Obviously I know zip about this stuff other than I am presently relying on Hughes for connection from the boonies. Dial Up modems I need phone lines, right? We don't have phone lines or cell service where I am. So I still need the dish (I think)... | |
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join:2007-01-10 Prather, CA
| Even dialup is not always an option. Where I live, about 36000 feet from the phone company's central office, a dialup connection runs at about 4800 baud if I'm lucky, and disconnects every 10 minutes or so. Cellular wireless is no-go due to line-of-sight being blocked by nearby hills. So, satellite is truly the only option. They are truly a monopoly, and they know it and behave as one. | |
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join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ | wow some of those caps could be blown out by a single WoW patch. not that you would want to play WoW over sat. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
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join:2002-08-05 Dunfermline, IL | HughesNet Sucks. 1xRTT cellular is better than Hughesnet. I'm not joking. | |
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| Re: HughesNet Sucks. said by bradleym :1xRTT cellular is better than Hughesnet. I'm not joking. That's very, very true. | |
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| Re: HughesNet Sucks. said by Snickerdo :said by bradleym :1xRTT cellular is better than Hughesnet. I'm not joking. That's very, very true. That is if you can even get 1xRRT, or Edge from AT&T/Tmobile. I would even settle for GPRS (60-80Kbps) over sat. If I lived in the boonies I would get something from Wilson Electronics to see if I could get EVDO or HSDPA (»www.wilsonelectronics.com/) 50+ miles if you can see the tower... -- HOT JAMZ 94FM Listen Live at »sc7.shoutcaststreaming.us:8206/listen.pls | |
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| said by Cjaiceman :That is if you can even get 1xRRT, or Edge from AT&T/Tmobile. I would even settle for GPRS (60-80Kbps) over sat. If I lived in the boonies I would get something from Wilson Electronics to see if I could get EVDO or HSDPA (» www.wilsonelectronics.com/) 50+ miles if you can see the tower... A buddy of mine lives in the middle of nowhere in Texas, yet still manages to have access to 1X, if not full-blown EVDO. -- I swear that I will faithfully and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, Her Heirs and Successors, and that I will faithfully observe the laws of Canada and fulfil my duties as a Canadian citizen. | |
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| said by bradleym :1xRTT cellular is better than Hughesnet. I'm not joking. I'm using 1xRTT right now until I can get my antenna up for EV-DO and that statement is definitely true. -- Windows XP Pro SP2|AMD Athlon 64 FX-57|2GB Dual Channel RAM|2x GeForce 7950 GT 512MB|250GB HDD | |
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join:2007-01-10 Prather, CA
| The real problem is... The scary thing about satellite internet is that, because it essentially provides coverage to 100% of the country, it allows the whole ISP industry and its pet trade groups to proudly proclaim that there is 100% broadband coverage everywhere, and therefore no regulation or pressure needs to be brought upon the incumbent providers. They can go on redlining to their heart's content, while the government looks the other way. The actual speed and quality the 100% service matters not at all. | |
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@bell.ca | I can't believe How can people pay that kind of money for their Fap's, Bad customer service etc. If i had to choose i would go for dial-up anytime.Overall it would be as fast but a lot cheaper and not the hassle. | |
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| Never worked for us either Most of our work sites are in remote to semi remote locations. We needed HSI and use Sat HSI for years. Under performed from day 1.
Luckly DSL, WISP's, and Cable are more widely available to us now. But some of our locations still need to use Sat. HSI.
Painfully mediocre describes them to a tee. | |
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| Re: competitive option said by packetscan :And this is supposed to compete with dsl and cable.. *cough*Bullshit*cough8 Of course not. It's for the user who has no other options other than sometimes dial up.While it's horrible at present, believe me,800-1200 Kbs when working right, is tons better than 56K -- HughesNet/HN700S/Pro Plus Plan/.74 dish/Galaxy 16 (099 °W)970.0 MHz/Win Vista Home premium/ CoreDuo 3.0 Gig/ 2 Gig of Ram
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| Re: No options said by Just Rachel :No other options here in the sticks. If dial-up was available I'd take it just to save money. Hughes has been fine for me for 5 years. Of course I'm not a gamer or a big time downloader. Do you have a wireless outfit in McCloud? We have one here, WillitsOnline ( »www.willitsonline.com ), and they provide Wireless Broadband in some very isolated areas in Mendocino County (and Mendocino County is already very rural in the first place as you know), like the towns of Laytonville, Covelo and Potter Valley where no other broadband is available. I am lucky in Redwood Valley, we have Comcast (formerly Adelphia) HSI, but we still can't get DSL (the CO isn't even equipped for it), and the WillitsOnline's signal is blocked by trees and hills. WillitsOnline is more expensive than DSL or Cable, but I think they are still a better option than satellite if you need it, and they can even provide service to people who are out of their normal range.
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join:2006-04-01 Mckinney, TX | Glad I'm gone Happiest day was when I dumped their service when DSL became available for me. Their service is a joke. don | |
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join:2006-04-09 Granville, MA | Re: Glad I'm gone Well since nothing but dial up is around here so I am stuck with there service and I sometimes get frustrated with it I really hope the new sat will bring in some good improvements soon. | |
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| Re: Glad I'm gone If you can get cell service I would get a EVDO (Sprint or Verizon)or HSDPA (AT&T) card, a router that supports the card and something from Wilson Electronics (»www.wilsonelectronics.com/). That should help you and you should be about the same cost for equipment and around the same cost per month, but faster and more reliable speeds. 
If you are too far from cell service, then sat or dial up. Hopefully a wireless company will come along and setup, or move closer to a major city, but thats not always popular... -- HOT JAMZ 94FM Listen Live at »sc7.shoutcaststreaming.us:8206/listen.pls | |
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| HughesNet "Scam" There company is a complete scam. 1. Soon as HughesNet gets you locked into their contract your hosed 2. There always trying to hit you for every penny they can buy selling crap that does nothing to help your connection. 3.You constantly have to be on the phone with billing due to billing errors. 3. Once you have the crap you can't return it due to HughesNet 15mo contract. 4. When service does work your lucky to get anything faster than a 100k.
I know it is my fault for signing up..So learn from my mistake, don't buy into hughesnet, and get stuck with a pile of hardware and a $113.00 per mo service contract for 15mos.
I requested to cancel my contract and of course there is a 300.00 fee for early termination and 400 fee for hardware you don't want. They refuse to take back the equipment even if you agree to pay the 300.00 dollar early termination fee.
Sorry for those out in the boonies and Sat net is only choice. My hat is off to those out there how are happy with HughesNet Service..Count your blessings. I feel personally that every Month I am getting robbed by these guys and nothing I can do about it. | |
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| Alternatives.... Would ISDN, or horrors....even T1 be an option?
I'm reluctant to recommend T1, but this sounds like a case where $400-$500/mo. for 1.5Mb symmetric sounds very good.
This is a big reason why I'm going to stick to suburbs or medium sized towns.
When I say medium sized towns, I mean communities of 50,000-150,000 people.
I really think I wouldn't mind living in a rural area if it weren't for the broadband issue.
I live in a bedroom community/suburb, and all we have is cable. I know that sounds wonderful to someone who doesn't have that, but it does mean I'm at the mercy of Charter, the cable company. I'm just hoping the company is large enough that they won't bother to single us out, due to administrative cost. | |
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| Hughesnet Slowdown I must admit that this company has gone to pot in the last 4 months. The speeds are near dial-up during peak hours. On the website they guarantee speeds of 400-500 Kbps during peak hours. Of course they are also advertising broadband Internet which the FCC states are speeds 256 Kbps and above.
Anybody having problems with this company should file a complaint with the BBB or their state's Attorney General.
It is unfair to lock anyone in a contract in which they charge you to break when the company itself cannot even keep their end of the bargain. Executive customer care is who will handle HughesNet's claims, and I advise people to not give into them. They are a control group who is there to handle irritated customers; they will do whatever they can say to hold you over.
If they agree to cancel your contract free of charge or offer any other incentive, be sure to get it in writing. Never just agree with what someone there will tell you over the phone.
It is up to the people who have had problems with this company to complain and keep complaining. I am one of them. | |
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join:2008-02-05 Fort Thomas, KY
| Are you serious Clark? Let me get this straight. Your mindset is, "I want the live in the "boonies" where I have peace and quiet. Where I don't have to worry about building codes or neighborhood associations. Out where we just got running water and maybe a sewer system in the last decade or two. Where ice and wind storms knock out power lines on a regular basis. But you know what? I think I deserve the latest, greatest, and fastest Internet connectivity. I think the federal government should take care of it for me. Despite the fact that my location is barely up to the infrastructure of the early to mid twentieth century, I demand that someone give me cutting edge ISP services." | |
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| Satellite is NOT broadband. I find it laughable that it is called 'broadband'.
The true definition of broadband should be a connection that has MINIMUM speeds of 150kbs or greater.
But DirecTV will do anything to convince people to sign up for their sorry-assed service.
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@qwest.net
| ISDN ... iDSL ... WiMax ? Back in '97 when DSL was in it's infancy I used ISDN (BRI 2b+d) for about $70/month - included 2 x phone lines and 128kbps ISP. This is not going to work if you can't get a phone line, but could be an option up to around 30,000 ft from the CO and for those CO's not set up for DSL. The phone company might not advertise it but it is still available - I would guess you might pay $80-100 for it.
The other option could be iDSL (DSL over ISDN) which gives you 144kbps and no phone service (except for VOIP). should cost around the same as 256kbps DSL but can run up to 30,000 ft from the CO.
WiMax is appearing in rural areas, we have an ISP (WisperTel) that uses it in the Colorado Rockies. Service quality and speed is better than satellite but it cost around the same. If you have no ISP, see if you can set up a town owned system by partnering with Sprint / AT&T / your local Telco, or do it completely privately. Works VERY well for a small community that can share a long haul internet connection. Distance from the central transmitter can be up to around 15 miles and line of sight is required, so put it on your biggest hill!
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| Getting out of your HN contract Want to dump Hughes with no penalty? Here's how:
Call corporate at (301) 428-5500 and ask for the President's office. You'll be transferred to Executive Customer Care. Explain your problems to them, tell them you are totally dissatisfied, and want out of your contract, and stand firm. You could drop little hints like mention 'BBB report' and stuff of that ilk. It will be necessary to have a nice history of slow speed tests using THEIR speed test at Hughes Customer Care, to back up your claim.
They may want to make some last-ditch effort to get your setup working right, and if they do, accept that, because one of two things will happen. Either they'll get it working nicely, or they won't. If they get it to work right (highly improbable) then you're OK; if they don't, it just gives you more ammo in your request to get out of the contract.
I did this exact thing. They weren't able to improve things to any degree, and they cancelled my contract with no penalty AND gave me $400 rebate towards what I had to pay a year ago to upgrade from 4000 to 7000. Stand firm, be reasonable and you should be able to get out of the contract. Just keep telling them it's unacceptable, unworkable, you can get wireless cheaper, blah, blah, even if that's not true, although you will need an alternative if they let you out of the contract. -- Franklin CDU/Assent MBR WBB combo, service through Millenicom, 3 XPPro stations, Mozilla everywhere. | |
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| Re: Getting out of your HN contract I didn't go that route exactly to get out of my Hughes contract, but yeah, it's possible if you stand firm on things.
I first went through my Attorney General. I got good speeds for a couple months after that, but it went into the toilet again. Then I filed with the BBB. I mentioned the AG complaint in the report and said that Hughes has shown they cannot provide reliable service. Hughes contacted me and let me out of my contract. No penalty, and getting refunded for my equipment.
If you're fed up with Hughes and want out of the contract, you need to go through the proper channels to set your case up for it. You need to show you've done what you can on your end to have the issue resolved and put the ball in HughesNet's court. They know they can't provide what they say they do. -- Windows XP Pro SP2|AMD Athlon 64 FX-57|2GB Dual Channel RAM|2x GeForce 7950 GT 512MB|250GB HDD | |
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| Re: Getting out of your HN contract Exactly right, dMarks. You have to build your case with a history of cruddy speed tests, show a record of complaints and multiple support tickets with Tech Support, but it can be done peacefully and the Executive Customer Support at the corporate office is where to go with it.
They requested one opportunity to change me to a different bird and gateway, but the technician who came out to repoint the dish was unable to get it to connect, despite top-level support from ECS, so they agreed to let me out of the contract.
As a side comment here, what really surprised and disappointed me was when I asked the ECS guy if he ever read any of the forums to see what his customers were saying about HN, and he replied "I try to stay away from that stuff" which seemed to me a particularly idiotic point of view.
If you were running a business, wouldn't you want to know how your customers felt? Or do they just not give a rat's patooty, thinking they are the only show in town and it's them or nobody for lots of users. That was my situation until Wireless Broadband improved here. Now there was indeed competition and I told the ECS guy about it and what a better deal it was and all he could do was say 'yeah, that sounds pretty good.' If I was him, I'd probably feel like one of the crew on The Titanic. -- Franklin CDU/Assent MBR WBB combo, service through Millenicom, 3 XPPro stations, Mozilla everywhere. | |
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join:2008-01-14 Suffolk, VA
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| Contract Hughes would love for me to say let me out of my contract. In fact I believe they are currently on their 4 or 5 offer to refund everything I've paid to date and let me walk. Problem is there's no where to walk to so until then I keep filing complaints with the Maryland Consumers Affairs Division and Virginia's version. After all they put me through I'll be damned if I walk away while they're still advertising service they can't deliver and getting away with it.
I will say they are pretty stupid over there, they can't figure out if they just give me what they charge me for I'll shut up and go away. | |
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| Re: Contract Have you checked sprint's coverage map to see if you are in range of Wireless Broad Band? go to www.sprint.com and get the coverage map and select DATA for the type coverage you are seeking. WBB is very nice, way better than Hughes, and there are several providers offering it.
I would check with sprint first, because if you are in sprint's coverage area you can get Millenicom instead, which is a way better deal. Sprint also offers a 30 day no questions asked money back guarantee, so you can get their kit and see how well it works, and if it does, return it to sprint and go to Millenicom.
If you qualify, what HN is willing to refund you would more than cover the cost of switching. -- Franklin CDU/Assent MBR WBB combo, service through Millenicom, 3 XPPro stations, Mozilla everywhere. | |
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