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Roadrunner expands speedy tier footprint
(old news - 01:05PM Tuesday Jul 22 2003)
tags: prices · bandwidth · cable
As we were one of the first to report last spring, Road Runner and Time Warner Cable have been field testing several new speed tiers, possibly for national application. "Roadrunner Xtreme" offers users 3Mbps downstream and 512 Kbps up service, though the price up to this point has varied depending on the market. Reports first surfaced in April after a Nebraska customer, apparently dubbed a "bandwidth hog", received a letter claiming he was exceeding his caps, and should upgrade to the new tier, which offers a 100 gig a month cap.

Apparently those who exceeded the 40 gig a month download limit on the basic speed package were charged ten dollars for every 5 gigabytes above the limit they traveled. Similar fees were applied to users in Ohio and several other states. According to a new thread in our Roadrunner Forum, the new tiers are now being offered in portions of North Carolina and Virginia. However many Time Warner reps in various regions haven't even heard of the package, and there's been no official announcement from the Time Warner mothership on an official date for broader application.

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Julio
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dammit

i sure hope the Time Warner Cable of NYC division does not impose this speed tiers and caps.
Surfinusa
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Re: dammit

Orlando, Tampa, Florida is being offered a similar package but only for Biz customers. You have to subscribe to RR BIZ class. They offer 2mb down 512 up or 3mb down 756upload packages. Price is about $160 for DHCP or $210 for static. This is offered for Brighthouse Network Customers but they are still using the RoadRunner Service.

Happy Surfin
jj nobody

join:2000-08-31
Lakeland, FL

Re: dammit

Orlando, Tampa, Florida is being offered a similar package but only for Biz customers. You have to subscribe to RR BIZ class. They offer 2mb down 512 up or 3mb down 756upload packages. Price is about $160 for DHCP or $210 for static. This is offered for Brighthouse Network Customers but they are still using the RoadRunner Service.

that and the fear of tiering were the two major reason why I packed up my RR equip. and went back to DSL.

Hall
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said by Julio See Profile:
i sure hope the Time Warner Cable of NYC division does not impose this speed tiers and caps.
The assumption is that they're "testing the waters" with this and if they decide to go forward with it, YOU CAN BE SURE IT WILL BE NATIONWIDE.
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Julio
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it will not be a smart move for TWC to impose this in NYC as there is lots of different options for net access here.

Hall
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Re: dammit

Like what ?? Do you have a choice of cable providers ?? Can you get 2000/384k DSL for $40-60/month ?? If TW in NYC is anything like the TW here, they simply don't care... It's their way or the highway... In fact, around here they think there is no one else to go to.
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Julio
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well i could move down the block where OOL is available
MrMikl9

join:2003-07-22
Bard, NM

ha, they are throttling your service now and you are not aware of it. how is this different, except for the supposed download speed of 3mg? They can throttle you at 3mg as easily as 1mg. I see the commercials, and at no time do I get real time imaging, like that basketball playback on their tv commercials. Throttling means the computer automatically changes your speed when it or the loop exceeds a certain amount of data. Cable is cheaper, but in some ways just as crappy as DSL.

MrMikl

tiger72
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Re: dammit

umm, the debate hasnt been about throttling (1.5mbps, 2mbps, etc..) which has been in place since before @home. it's about usage caps (40GB/mo, etc..)
[text was edited by author 2003-07-22 23:10:55]

Microhard3

join:2001-08-03
Huntington Beach, CA

As they say

All good things come to an end.

BUT HEY....they are making the Internet faster didn't you hear....you are going to be able to get capped in half the time.
buddasahn

join:2000-11-27
Akron, OH

Cap me ...and you've lost 6 loyal customers

I've had RR for almost 2 years along with their digital cable. (about $110 monthly). I've seen 3 price hikes as well as a drop in my connection speeds but I'm still content with what I have. My friends in my apt complex have similar packages. We have other alternatives for broadband (DSL, Satellite). If this pending cap goes through, that's roughly a little over 7 grand in yearly sales that AOL/TW will lose. I'm sure others will defect too.

While it may not seem like alot to AOL/TW....give it time....as more people see how ludicrous this is...the more they may regret doing it. Perfect example would be to look at Bell Sympatico. They imposed these same type of caps and pissed off their customer base something fierce!!! A few mos later they 'wisely' re-thought that idea and got rid of those caps!
rmdir

join:2003-03-13
Chicago, IL

Re: Cap me ...and you've lost 6 loyal customers

Out in our suburbs, there is a service using satellite dishes and a tower. Unfortunately, ain't offered in the city. The good part is it's a 10000 connection up and down for somewhere around 50 bucks a month.
Cyron

join:2002-09-24
Charlotte, NC

Supporting P2P?

In the North Carolina section, it lists several activities of internet users who would benefit from Road Runner Xtreme, including "sustained music file sharing". Is this an endorsement of sharing music over the internet? Surely they must realize that the vast majority of music sharing is done illegally.

The RIAA/MPAA have been wrong about almost everything recently, but they were right when stating that ISP's were generating huge revenues based on filesharing, while still denouncing it. What hypocrisy.

aztecnology
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Re: Supporting P2P?

said by Cyron See Profile:
In the North Carolina section, it lists several activities of internet users who would benefit from Road Runner Xtreme, including "sustained music file sharing
I wonder what Time Warner's music division has to say about the advertising...
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Cyron

join:2002-09-24
Charlotte, NC

Re: Supporting P2P?

Time Warner is making a fortune. On one hand they're ripping off artists and selling overpriced CD's, and on the other they are charging Xtreme(ly) high prices to download those CD's for free.

Maybe they have it figured out. You rarely here Road Runner mentioned in the file sharing forum when people are talking about what ISP's are sending in letters and turning over names.

mikedz4

join:2003-04-14
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Re: Supporting P2P?

umm that is because time warner owns a music company as well as a cable company. It'd be like you running an isp and a band at the same time. I don't think you'd be complaining to yourself about the fact the people are downloading music for free especially since it's a known fact that most people who download mp3's find out they like the band and end up being fans.

wolfox
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join:2002-11-27
Dunnellon, FL


Shady Backroom Deals

Back in the day when the RIAA was setting their sights on Internet Webcasting - there was a closed door meeting between Time-Warner/AOL and the finest of the RIAA that basically allowed them to continue offering services such as "Internet Radio".

While taking a huge cut from the bottom line for themselves that would be needed to run such an operation, they succeeded in placing the brunt of what would later become stiff licensing fees on the hobbyist broadcaster.

He who has a mass media corporation, all the money, and the largest market share of Online Internet communities under their belt - makes all of the rules.

This scathing insight comes from one cornered, and miffed wolfoxxy...who still has to pay out his monthly blood money fee to keep his Internet Radio station online...

EDIT: Web browser mangled my post, sorry.
[text was edited by author 2003-07-22 15:48:09]

[text was edited by author 2003-07-22 15:48:27]
B
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Earthlink Factor?

Does anyone have any idea how, or if, this affects the Earthlink Over Time Warner Cable offering? As far as I know that is still a 2 Mbps/384 Kbps service over TW's lines.

-- B
Surfinusa
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Re: Earthlink Factor?

This is a special Biz package. You must be a RR BIZ customer. Don't think at this time Earthlink will offer this since its not there lines. RR or Time Warner controls it all. It is controlled sharing.

Happy Surfin

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said by B See Profile:
Does anyone have any idea how, or if, this affects the Earthlink Over Time Warner Cable offering? As far as I know that is still a 2 Mbps/384 Kbps service over TW's lines.
As of today, NO, it does not affect users who have "Earthlink Cable". That could change tomorrow, next week, in three months, etc. No one knows (or is talking).
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Julio
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Re: Earthlink Factor?

it wont affect us until it is time for Earthlink and Time Warner Cable to renegotiate their contracts.
GT86

join:2003-02-27

I might be glad TWC pulled out in FL

Here in Florida atleast in my area the Tampa/Orlando area it's no longer TWC , they have pulled out their shares on the cable TV and RR service and left it all to Brighthouse Networks

Kambriel

join:2001-02-10
Sanford, FL
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Re: I might be glad TWC pulled out in FL

Don't think BrightHouse is a completely separate company. Their benefits package is identical to that offered at Warner Bros. in NYC (a former employer of mine) and their job app asks if you've previously worked for AOL/Time-Warner. BrightHouse appears to be like WorldCom calling themselves MCI. They are just trying to get away from the negative press they've received in the past.

Gandalf1315
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join:2001-05-23
Indianapolis, IN
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What's that sound, everbody look what's going down

I for one REFUSE to accept the caps as they now exist for some RR users. If they put the caps in the 30gb down/10gb up range I would begrudgingly accept that. Anything less and I will be finding alternatives. I do not file trade, but I do beta test for a couple of well known major software makers and I work on many open source projects. Not to mention the numerous Linux distros I keep up with and the countless freeware programs from alt.comp.freeware that I experiment with. And that is not counting normal gaming, email and surfing that my entire household does. I refuse to use my broadband connection like it was dial up. If forced to, I will find an alternative or I will go back to dial up. If enough people do the same these caps will become more consumer friendly. If the masses act like sheep it will only get worse.
greywolf520
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join:2003-06-02
New Kensington, PA

Re: What's that sound, everbody look what's going down

Last time I checked, broadband was something that was to help expand the 'net. How would capping someone ability to download on a broadband network where speed and lots of bandwidth are available. I see a cap go if there are limitations of the network (the FAP that Direcway sat. has) but that's the only time it seems reasonable.

MRNVGVUP

join:2003-04-12
Sharon, PA

If forced to, I will find an alternative or I will go back to dial up.

Exactly what I like to hear... why? We offer 56K!

The greedy High-Speed offerers will probable end of pooching their own sweet cash cows!

We've already got a few High-Speeders back to reliable (alas slower) Internet Service with out the "gotchas."

After all... who wants to deal with "ah ha! GOTCH'A!"

peace

(Note: I do have High-Speed and would hate to see it go away, but I'll be danged if I'm eventually going to be capped, slapped with high fees, and rapped to about HOW and WHEN and FOR HOW LONG I'll surf the dang net!)
indigo

join:1999-08-22
Covina, CA

Depending on the prices

it might actually be a decent deal. If the service is 3Mbps download and 512kbps up and allows you to run servers, have a static IP, and have good peering (as in, not the congested AOL backbone), depending on the price I would go for it. Right now I have to pay $80 a month for 768/384 DSL with a static IP and they allow servers. If the 3Mbps/512kbps service were offered for around the same or up to $30 more, I would definitely go for it, provided it met the conditions I outlined above. Unfortunately I don't live in an area where Time Warner Maine is available, but I might move soon to an area where it is.

Also, Time warner of maine has a business offering, but it costs $1000 per month for 2Mbps symmetrical service, and you are only allowed to run a web server on it.

gogeta6

join:2002-06-20
San Diego, CA
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100 gig a month cap

if they offered a 100 gig a month cap i would gladly upgrade to a 512 ul for 2x but that is just me

Anonuser

join:2003-01-03
Milwaukee, WI

Re: 100 gig a month cap

100 gig/month Not nuf. I pull 800 gigs - 1.3 TB. all legal also

Chris
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gogeta6

join:2002-06-20
San Diego, CA
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Re: 100 gig a month cap

too bad its impossible to do this over a normal rr line

dling nonstop maxed all month is in the 650 gig range

DTALIAV

@rr.com

HOW IN BLUE BLAZES DO YOU THINK YOU CAN GET 1.3TB IN A MONTH? You are either not using RR or are a bad liar.

3Mbps = 375k/s
2Mbps = 250k/s
1 day = 86400 sec

375k/s * 86400 sec = 32.4 gigs
250k/s * 86400 sec = 21.6 gigs

32.4 gigs * 30 days = 972 gigs
21.6 gigs * 30 days = 648 gigs

I have personally only managed to pull approximately 120 gigs a month. And I'll tell you that I was trying pretty damn hard.

MEDIAN2k3
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BLAH

i think its time for cablevision and opt online to start expanding its wings and put ool in places where this so called "cap" will be put in place, i know for one fact if RR caps people in NYC they will loose all that revenue. Too bad ool has its head ups it ass or it would have moved on this already tsk tsk.

viperpa33s
Why Me?
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Bradenton, FL

RIPOFF!!!!

RIPOFF, RIPOFF, RIPOFF!!!!! It seems as the internet gets faster, more caps are being placed. If they want to place caps then just give me back dial-up. If the evil RIAA is influencing the ISP's to place caps, then the RIAA needs to be sued.
chuckkk

join:2001-11-10
Warner Robins, GA
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Re: RIPOFF!!!!

Of course! They are making things faster so they can handle more customers, not supply the customers with faster service!
We went thru the same nonsense with dial up a few years back.
28.8k to 56k modem upgrades concided with national sign up campaigns!

lotsofplstic

join:2003-04-02
Parsons, KS

Cable blows up on you all

The thinking on caps is this shared network large dowloaders slow down the network but if we use caps on bandwith them they won't download as much.
You all are whining about 40 gigs a month lets be real other cable companys like cox set the cap to 2 gigs per month you could get DSL and not be told how much you can download per month.
I had cable modem service of about three months I thought it sucked.
I went to DSL because I hate a shared network.

viperpa33s
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Bradenton, FL

DSL is king

I use DSL and would never even think of switching to cable. The local cable company in my town puts caps on bandwith and you have to rent the cable modem box to boot. The fight between DSL and cable is clear, DSL is king once again.
Irvin700

join:2002-06-10
Enon, OH

WOH RR UPDATED!!

»www.roadrunnerohio.com

western ohio has the update

Mountaintech

join:2003-05-30
Cumberland, MD

BW hogging

Its all about people who run kazaa & other file sharing programs that do the massive amount of bandwidth hogging.
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