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I Need A Remedy For What's Ailing Me.
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join:2001-04-19
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georgequ
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join:2003-05-10
Painesville, OH
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| Re: Very Cool I hope the other 49 states follow suite.
I am paying $ 59.00 a month for POTS service, which I do not need, just to be able to get DSL. We rely 100% on our cell phones. I have coverage in all 50 states for $ 44.00 per month. Free weekend minutes and have never ever gone over my 300 free minute limit. Plus there is no charge for long distance calls. Who needs a landline anymore anyway??
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rchandra
Stargate S G-1 And Atlantis Fan
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join:2000-11-09
14225-2105
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| Re: Very Cool That depends if you need a modem for one reason or another. I have VoIP as my main number, but I still would probably keep my one line of Verizon service for a modem I have. It is very unstable over VoIP, plus I want to keep it up so that my mom can dial in to get her email for the domain I run for my family and whatnot. (She says she doesn't compute enough to justify getting Power Link.)
Still...it might be nifty to find an alternate POTS carrier for less. That might not be feasible in the near future, what with the story I heard on the radio news about the FCC not renewing UNE requirements (meaning in not too much time, Verizon might raise the rates prohibitively high for all the CLECs to continue leasing the lines).
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davoice
join:2000-08-12
Saxapahaw, NC | How soon for SBC & Bellsouth? How soon will SBC and Bellsouth follow suit? Right after Congress gives itself a pay CUT.
And only after they've given up charging a "legislative recovery fee" on DSL.
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join:2003-07-20
Greer, SC | Re: How soon for SBC & Bellsouth? Thanks to the Ga courts, Bellsouth in metro Atlanta does offer DSL only. The catch they don't advertise is the $15.00 a month line charge. | |
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join:2001-10-08
Woodland, CA
| Re: Very Cool Uh, you are not paying $59.00/Month for 1 regular POTS ONLY line! My phone only cost me $16.00/Month.
said by georgequ  :
I hope the other 49 states follow suite.
I am paying $ 59.00 a month for POTS service, which I do not need, just to be able to get DSL. We rely 100% on our cell phones. I have coverage in all 50 states for $ 44.00 per month. Free weekend minutes and have never ever gone over my 300 free minute limit. Plus there is no charge for long distance calls. Who needs a landline anymore anyway??
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zoom314
Superman
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join:2001-04-30
Yermo, CA
| Yeah well I'd like to see It available in California, It's now Illegal in California to have Forced Bundling, But they are still doing forced Bundling as of Today June 22, 2004.
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ctceo
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join:2001-04-26
South Bend, IN
clubs: | you said, "Naked"!, huhhuhuhuuuhuhu.
I'm all for it. | |
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join:2002-03-01
Irving, TX | Re: Very Cool I doubt this will stand up since the Bush Administration refused to challenge a federal court ruling supporting FCC unbundling rules in a lawsuit brought forth by AT&T. | |
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sabersaw
Premium
join:2001-08-21
Dayton, OH
1 edit | Cali sets a trend... and its a good one, for the first time ever.
At one time, SBC was allowing this in my area years ago. The window was very small and you had to have POTS service to set it up initially. Also, my buddy in Texas got his service about 2 years ago.. same deal, he was able to cancel his POTS and keep the ADSL. | |
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| Zunger
join:2003-08-24
Fayetteville, AR | Re: Cali sets a trend... actually, in the last month they have set alot of good trends, whoever is working on these bills need to keep up the good work! | |
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join:2003-05-19
San Luis Obispo, CA
1 edit | Re: Cali sets a trend... ..and "Ahnold" as "The Gov"!!.
Life IS good in "The Golden State".
Now..let's bring back Pacific Telephone and Telegraph(PacTel).
Heck, We've got the 6th largest G.N.P. on this planet..and we need SBC? As far as I'm concerned, CA should have it's own phone system.
Someth'in is very wrong here, folks. | |
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JoeOnSunset
Doublethink Is Doubleplus Ungood.
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join:2002-11-25
Ormond Beach, FL
| Re: Cali sets a trend... Hmmm... don't get too excited. California does set itself apart, but it's not always so great. We pay for these things. California's overall tax rate (state income tax, local taxes, sales taxes, utility taxes, and property & car taxes) is one of the highest in the country. For example, it costs base fees + 3% of the value of your car to register it here anually (that's $500 a year for me, plus the smog check). People in some other states would be floored at that: in Florida it's like $50... and there's no income tax.
And speaking of privacy, California cares about its citizens privacy almost as much as it cares about the entertainment industry: »www.technewsworld.com/story/33174.html | |
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netwire
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join:2001-04-27
Mooresboro, NC | Woohoo nudity! This is a step in the right direction. DSL Nudity rocks!
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Morac
join:2001-08-30
Riverside, NJ | They'll do what cable does. They'll offer non-bundled DSL, but it will cost more than what you'd pay with bundled DSL. | |
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koitsu
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join:2002-07-16
Mountain View, CA | Re: They'll do what cable does. Yep, that's what I fear as well.
Here come the "dedicated customer" fees...
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| neftv
join:2000-10-01
Broomall, PA
 ·Broadvox Direct
| That's what worries me too. I would hope that the naked DSL is treated separate from bundled DSL in that the pricing stay the same or better if the cost go down since Voice wouldn't need to be supported on the line. DSL pricing already includes the fees to the ILEC and the DSL spectrum why double charge for something already being paid for. That's silly. | |
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GNXPower
Got Boost?
Premium
join:2003-12-18
Huntington Beach, CA
| said by Morac :
They'll offer non-bundled DSL, but it will cost more than what you'd pay with bundled DSL.
Exactly. Out goes forced bundling, in comes massive bundling discounts...discounts as defined by them...massive price increases as defined by anyone looking for naked DSL.
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join:2000-10-01
Broomall, PA | Re: They'll do what cable does. yea its going to get messy knowing how their corrupt money hungry minds work. | |
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warriors
It's A Great Time Out
join:2001-06-05
Alviso, CA
| It's definitely gonna be a price increase for naked DSL.
 How about this: $49.99 DSL with FREE basic landline? (That's probably the same price as getting a basic landline + $26.95 DSL) | |
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GNXPower
Got Boost?
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join:2003-12-18
Huntington Beach, CA | Re: They'll do what cable does. Not if you add in all the taxes and junk fees.
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koitsu
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join:2002-07-16
Mountain View, CA
| Re: They'll do what cable does. Makes me want to post one of my SBC bills here online for folks to see. The taxes and BS are astounding...
It's depressing that the historic "WYSIWYG" aspects to service plans / price tags / etc.. no longer seem to apply to things. I think consumers have been patient and giving as far as minor new taxes and small price changes have gone, but we're talking about a service that costs US$27/month but _REALLY_ costs you something like US$40-45 after the landline and taxes.
Ahh the joys of capitalism...
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| Hooper
Premium
join:2001-10-22
Villanova, PA
| What about CLEC DSL service on a dry pair? This should keep the predatory pricing away. Most folks don't have the option of different ISP's over their cable line and therefore the cable company can give "discounts" if you sign up for their cable service. But with DSL, I/you have the option of multiple ISP's who are willing to provide internet access over the same copper. | |
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Mr Anon
@chcgil.ameritech
| the Lies THE LIES! I can't undersant the lies being spred about the bundling, When I first got SBC DSL (via Ameritech.net) and at that time they couldn't bundle Vocie and Data and I'd still have that today if I hadn't moved. Its possible and they are just trying for money and I don't think that they should force it. | |
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| ebubman
join:2002-01-17
Enola, PA | Re: the Lies THE LIES! let's see, if it's in california now, it should make its way here to pennsylvania, in oh about 10 years.....bub | |
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BIGMIKE
Premium
join:2002-06-07
Westminster, CA
| Customer Service, Dead Pay phones a dying breed in cellular age
Pay phones a dying breed in cellular age
It happened outside the Big Boy in Clinton Township and in front of the Quick Stop gas station in Royal Oak.
Like most Americans, you were probably too busy talking on a cell phone to notice the pay phones being dismantled »www.detnews.com/2004/technology/···0877.htm
Customer Service, Dead of Alive?
Customer Service, Dead of Alive?
Is customer service dead or alive? My career experience has been primarily in residential property management, where I have had extensive training in customer service. As a result, I have higher professional expectations for those whose job it is to deal with me as a consumer. In the past two weeks certain events lead me to believe that customer service is a dying concept for some companies. »www.killer-essays.com/Business_R···88.shtml | |
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| cbs228
Geeks Of The World, Unite
join:2000-09-04
Saint Louis, MO
| Re: Customer Service, Dead said by BIGMIKE :
Pay phones a dying breed in cellular age
What, exactly, does this have to do with unbundled DSL? You've got the wrong thread, BIGMIKE . | |
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join:2002-01-26
Eustis, FL
2 edits | Re: Customer Service, Dead A proper analogy would be telegraph companies loosing out to phone companies.
I agree, this has nothing to do with unbundled DSL service. | |
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: Customer Service, Dead said by dosbubba :
A proper analogy would be telegraph companies loosing out to phone companies.
I agree, this has nothing to do with unbundled DSL service.
Actually it does.
The phone company was guaranteed a certain profit for many years in return for a monopoly. For that monopoly, they had to deploy to rural areas, put out pay phones and make it all reliable. The phone company survived but never bathed in money.
After the breakup of ATT, services started to come out. Call Waiting, 3 way calling, Call Forwarding, etc. All of these services were "extras" and not under the control of the local Public Service Commissions. So a service that costs under $1 can be sold for $5 with no over-site. You get someone to buy 3 of these services and have them pay $12/month (using a bundle price) and still make money.
Now, lets get back to the pay phone thing. Pay phones make money. Fifty cents just to get a dial tone? GOLDMINES!!! I pay $30 for a dial tone so 60 calls (2 a day) pay for that pay phone. Everything else is profit. Remember when cell phones were no where around but there was ALWAYS a pay phone?
Cell phones have taken 90% of the pay phone business. And who controls cell phones? EVERYONE!! Verizon has a wireless division as does Quest and even SBC. BUT all of these divisions are separate from their landline counterparts. Who pays for who? How many people are dumping their landlines for cell service? There goes the guaranteed money of the dial tone.
Now, DSL service is a non regulated service so they can charge what they want for it. As long as they make you get their dial tone (with the guaranteed rates), you make money. Without the dial tone, it becomes market price and there are no guaranties in market price. | |
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BIGMIKE
Premium
join:2002-06-07
Westminster, CA
| Re: Customer Service, Dead said by moonpuppy :
said by dosbubba :
A proper analogy would be telegraph companies loosing out to phone companies.
I agree, this has nothing to do with unbundled DSL service.
Actually it does.
The phone company was guaranteed a certain profit for many years in return for a monopoly. For that monopoly, they had to deploy to rural areas, put out pay phones and make it all reliable. The phone company survived but never bathed in money.
After the breakup of ATT, services started to come out. Call Waiting, 3 way calling, Call Forwarding, etc. All of these services were "extras" and not under the control of the local Public Service Commissions. So a service that costs under $1 can be sold for $5 with no over-site. You get someone to buy 3 of these services and have them pay $12/month (using a bundle price) and still make money.
Now, lets get back to the pay phone thing. Pay phones make money. Fifty cents just to get a dial tone? GOLDMINES!!! I pay $30 for a dial tone so 60 calls (2 a day) pay for that pay phone. Everything else is profit. Remember when cell phones were no where around but there was ALWAYS a pay phone?
Cell phones have taken 90% of the pay phone business. And who controls cell phones? EVERYONE!! Verizon has a wireless division as does Quest and even SBC. BUT all of these divisions are separate from their landline counterparts. Who pays for who? How many people are dumping their landlines for cell service? There goes the guaranteed money of the dial tone.
Now, DSL service is a non regulated service so they can charge what they want for it. As long as they make you get their dial tone (with the guaranteed rates), you make money. Without the dial tone, it becomes market price and there are no guaranties in market price.
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Chicago_DSL6
join:2003-08-04
Palatine, IL | Hooray! Hooray! I hope it happens in Illinois, but that is a long shot considering Chicago's Mayor Daley's brother is some bigwig at SBC. | |
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| JJV
Premium
join:2001-04-25
Seattle, WA
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1 edit | Stand Alone DSL Welcome to the Qwest.com live chat service. My name is Randy. May I please have your name?
you: Hi its john
you: Im wondering what the price is for naked dsl is in seattle wa. ?
Randy: Hello, how may I help you?
you: Im wondering what the price is for naked dsl in seattle wa
Randy: Qwest does have a DSL package called, Stand Alone DSL which offers the ability to have High Speed Internet without a home phone line.
Randy:
Randy: The price of Stand Alone DSL is as follows: $33.00 Without an ISP (You can choose another provider), $49.99 with MSN Premium as the ISP, $57.99 with Qwest Internet Prime as the ISP. The speed would be 896K - 1.5 Mbps.
It looks like it will cost as much as cable modem service if you include an isp. | |
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| herespot
join:2002-06-23
Chicago, IL | Re: Hooray! Bill Daley is no longer SBC President. | |
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calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA
| Re: Hooray! Correct.
And the industry wonders if this was because:
1. His strong-arm regulatory push in Illinois was stalled by the courts;
2. He hadn't produced a whole lot of other favorable regulatory action, despite much Demo arm-twisting;
3. Bill Barr at Verizon had a strategy that was achieving some national success, while SBC could only follow at the national level and Ed Whitacre doesn't like being a sheep; OR
4. Daley, a consummate Democrat, didn't want to be a high-muckety muck (ostensibly #2, but not really) at a big employer when it's main union went out on strike (he resigned the Friday before the CWA's recent 48-hour strike.)
Take your pick. I like 1-3, but I think #4 is a possible.
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join:2002-01-19
Santa Clara, CA
·DSL EXTREME
| said by herespot :
Bill Daley is no longer SBC President.
Somehow the corrupt nitwit fit the fraud made in Texas image. Just recall the $80M bribery campaign in Illinois cut short by a judge Kocoras.
CHICAGO -- Former Commerce Secretary and brother of the Chicago mayor William Daley has been named Midwest chairman of J.P. Morgan Chase.
Another dubious enterprise is going to benefit from his expertise. | |
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viperpa33s
Why Me?
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join:2002-12-20
Bradenton, FL
 ·Bright House
| Wish Sprint would offer it I wish Sprint would offer naked DSL but it's just a dream. I wouldn't mind paying a little more for naked DSL. Even if I had to pay a little more it still would save me a whole bunch of money in the long run. The thing is Sprint's whole business model is about bundling services and there would be no way to get away from that. | |
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TheGish
join:2003-04-29
Edwardsville, IL | The war begins Even my cable company (Charter) doesn't charge a fee to have just a cable modem. They dropped it a few months ago.
So I am paying about 42 and change after fees/taxes to have 3000/256. I would love to see SBC fight for customers! | |
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drainbamage
join:2000-10-30
Beverly Hills, CA | wtf SBC offers unbundled broadband - it's called Covad which SBC has a stake in...... | |
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scooby
Premium
join:2001-05-01
Schaumburg, IL | Re: wtf Yes but you cannot have service from Covad unless you have an SBC phone line. Thus the bundled part. | |
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Hipjones
join:2004-05-14
Smithfield, VA | Thankful You could be like a HELLUVA LOT of us and not have broadband at all!Think about it! | |
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jap
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join:2003-08-10
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·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Thankful said by Hipjones :
You could be like a HELLUVA LOT of us and not have broadband at all!Think about it!
Thought about it, didn't like it, moved to where I could get it. | |
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| BigGeek5
join:2002-10-09
Cincinnati, OH
1 edit | said by Hipjones :
You could be like a HELLUVA LOT of us and not have broadband at all!Think about it!
Come on now, we are all trying to get better broadband services. This whole forum is dedicated to that. Why would you come here and try to make people who have broadband feel sorry for you (because you don't have broadband). I am sure there are forums for Dial-up users. They might want to hear you complain about broadband users. You could start a thread entitled "DSL users are always wanting more, why can't they be happy with what they have!" | |
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footballdude
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join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO | California Judges Of course, California judges are NEVER overturned on appeal, right? | |
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XBL2009
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Chicago, IL | Paid $58 only wanted DSL Don't have need for land line. Just want a mobile phone and a DSL line.
SBC could figure a way for that to happen. | |
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