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Here Comes 5Mbps
Canadian shift influencing U.S. cable?
(old news - 12:24PM Friday Apr 09 2004)
tags: bandwidth · cable
Not to be outdone by Cogeco's move to 5Mbps, Rogers and Shaw are following suit. Rogers recently launched a trial for 5Mbps service, while Shaw has taken the wraps off their Shaw Xtreme - I 5Mbps/1Mbps tier (can we please stop with the "Xtreme" tag already?). The Rogers trial was opened to the first 100 users and is now full, but some members of our Rogers forum managed to squeak in and are showing off their speed-tests. Like Comcast however, Rogers terminates gluttonous users for too much bandwidth consumption, without informing them how much consumption is actually reasonable. In the States, we're beginning to hear rumblings and rumors that Comcast has started seriously considering their own shift to 5Mbps to counter SBC and BellSouth's speed increases.

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SuperJudge
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Now just make it free.

Or really low cost

DaneJasper
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6Mbps DSL

Everyone's been getting 6.0Mbps DSL too, with an upstream up to 608kbps - that beats any cable offering. Of course, you've got to be within 9500 feet to get it, and at that distance, sometimes it's still not possible.

I want my VDSL. =)

-Dane

EveryName
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Re: 6Mbps DSL

Actually, Cogeco also offers a 10Mbit/1Mbit package.
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bobburn

join:2003-08-15
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and OOL also offers 10mbps/1mbps

dvd536
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Re: 6Mbps DSL

said by bobburn See Profile:
and OOL also offers 10mbps/1mbps

yeah but unlike OOL i bet cogeco doesnt remove 85% of the users upload bandwidth for using a fair amount of upload bandwidth. of course OOL doesnt have any download bytecaps(yet).
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EveryName
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·Shaw

Re: 6Mbps DSL

said by dvd536 See Profile:
said by bobburn See Profile:
and OOL also offers 10mbps/1mbps

yeah but unlike OOL i bet cogeco doesnt remove 85% of the users upload bandwidth for using a fair amount of upload bandwidth. of course OOL doesnt have any download bytecaps(yet).

No, they sure don't. They just let you know, if you're hogging the network (and they only tell the top 5 users of their network, I think. So unless you're a top 5 user, you should be fine. But then again.. they only warn you.). They don't cut you off, cap your speed, or charge for bandwidth.
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djrobx

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Too bad we can't order it anymore!

Being on the left coast with Dane, Cogeco and OOL aren't within our sphere of cable options. For the most part, there's either 3000/256 (Comcast, Adelphia, Charter) or 3000/384 (TWC).
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systems2000
What? You Say It's Fixed. Hah

join:2001-11-29
Cyberspace

Re: 6Mbps DSL


Comcast HN gives you 4000/384
batmanst

join:2003-12-23
Beverly Hills, CA

Re: 6Mbps DSL

said by systems2000 See Profile:

Comcast HN gives you 4000/384

384k upload for 80 a month sucks big time!
Hell, 3000/256 is 57.95 a month w/out cable service WTF??????????
systems2000
What? You Say It's Fixed. Hah

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Cyberspace
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Re: 6Mbps DSL


Calm down there. I never said it was a good package. I was just pointing out that there is another package from Comcast other than the 3000/256. The real cost for 3000/256 is $60.95/Month with the Gateway rental charge added in.
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EveryName
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Well Cogeco is a Canadian company, so you would only be able to get it in Canada.
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SkylineGTR34

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DaneJasper your stupid, you'll never see a DSL ISP offering 6mbs line to people who are more then 3000 feet away, you'll lose sync constantly, keep dreaming, Cable is going to smoke DSL everywhich way.

dadkins
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Hercules, CA

3.3 is fine for downstream

Lets see some Upstream increases, 256k is just not enough.
systems2000
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Cyberspace
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Who Cares?


I'm tired of all this hype over faster and faster connections. When are we going to get a reasonably priced low-end option (1.5/128 for $24.99)?

EDIT: Added missing start parenthesis.

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Jason Levine
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Re: Who Cares?

I agree. I really don't need the extra 3.5Mbps as much as I could use the extra $20 a month in my pocket.

djrobx

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I'm enjoying the speed cap war. It's long overdue!

SBC's $26.95 1500/256 comes real close, although now you can only get it as part of a bundle.

Many companies have already toyed with "lite" packages, but they usually either come with very low speeds or restrictive throughput caps.
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SilentMan

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said by systems2000 See Profile:

I'm tired of all this hype over faster and faster connections. When are we going to get a reasonably priced low-end option (1.5/128 for $24.99)?

EDIT: Added missing start parenthesis.


If you have verizon phone service + verizon freedom package + verizon wireless, then you can get DSL 1.5m/128K for $24.95, that is assuming that you are withing the radar of Verizon's CO.
systems2000
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You xDSL subscribers must not realize that most Broadband subscribers are hard pressed to get those kind of packages. Cable doesn't offer them and xDSL (if you can get it) has a distance limitation and you only get those numbers if you are close to the C.O.
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digiblur
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Same caps?

Faster speed with the same caps? Cool! People can hit their caps quicker! Instead of taking 3 weeks to hit the cap it will only take a week and half.

EveryName
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Re: Same caps?

I think of it as less time wasted. Get it all done at once.
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davidcb13

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Re: Same caps?

Yea i see it as instead of waiting 5 mintues for a file u only gotta wait 3 mintues
netscape 6

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said by EveryName See Profile:
I think of it as less time wasted. Get it all done at once.

Yeah I mean why wait to the end of the month to get capped when you can do it in a week?
Roop

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Ottawa, ON

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Re: Same caps?

yeah. if the country i lived in (usa) had lower speeds for more money than a country i thought was second-rate to mine (canada) i'd probably be whining and complaining too.
netscape 6

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Re: Same caps?

said by Roop See Profile:
yeah. if the country i lived in (usa) had lower speeds for more money than a country i thought was second-rate to mine (canada) i'd probably be whining and complaining too.

WTF? When did I ever say Canada was second rate?

EveryName
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Re: Same caps?

said by netscape 6 See Profile:
said by Roop See Profile:
yeah. if the country i lived in (usa) had lower speeds for more money than a country i thought was second-rate to mine (canada) i'd probably be whining and complaining too.

WTF? When did I ever say Canada was second rate?

I agree with netscape 6. Don't assume stuff.
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djrobx

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Lets assume, for the sake of argument, that they capped you at 50GB (52428800KB). Anecdotal evidence suggests a higher limit, but we'll low ball for the sake of this discussion.

At 1.5mbps (180KB/sec) it would take 80 hours to download your quota.

At 5.0mbps (620KB/sec) it would take 23 hours to reach your quota.

Despite the limit, they still save you 2.3 days worth of time waiting for a downloads to complete. That's VERY worthwhile, don't you think?
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Roop

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Re: Same caps?

thank you djrobx. that was spoken like someone who isn't blinded by emotions or smoking crack. good day to you.
davidcb13

join:2004-02-06
Branchville, NJ

Re: Same caps?

I don't understand.
Just because there are higher caps dosent mean u have to download more. I mean what is the average cap 20 gbs What are you downloading that is 20 gb. I have never used 20 gb in a month

JohnInSJ
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Re: Same caps?

said by davidcb13 See Profile:
I don't understand.
Just because there are higher caps dosent mean u have to download more. I mean what is the average cap 20 gbs What are you downloading that is 20 gb. I have never used 20 gb in a month

"640kb is more than enough memory for every PC user" - sound familiar?

20gb - let's say you're downloading ISO images for linux, evaluating distros. Go ahead and toss in a Debain net-install for fun. Assuming 3 ISOs for each distro, you're looking at 2.1-5gb per distro. Cool, you can download 8 distros. Let's set aside 2gb for surfing & email. 7 distros. Let's set aside 1gb for streaming media. 6 distros. Let's do a windows update too - 1gb (we've been lazy!) now down to 5-6 distros. Let's send some photos to grandma - 1gb, etc, etc.

It's easy to burn bandwidth if you've got it, and it's fast. It's easy to do it legally.

Caps are yucky.

EveryName
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Re: Same caps?

WOW! What kind of photos are you sending grandma that are 1GB?
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JohnInSJ
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Re: Same caps?

said by EveryName See Profile:
WOW! What kind of photos are you sending grandma that are 1GB?

Lots of them digital film is free, and 5megapix images are huge.

EveryName
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Re: Same caps?

said by JohnInSJ See Profile:
said by EveryName See Profile:
WOW! What kind of photos are you sending grandma that are 1GB?

Lots of them digital film is free, and 5megapix images are huge.

Most people resize their images.
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JohnInSJ
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Re: Same caps?

quote:
Most people resize their images.
If you have a fast pipe an no cap, why do that?
JonR800
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Farmington, MI

Re: Same caps?

I'm going to jump in and agree with John here. If you have the pipe, why not send higher quality images? Isn't that what it's there for? Also, 20GB is very easy to burn through. I intalled MRTG on my router and found that it only took one major download and some casual surfing to hit 20GB.

Now add in some VOIP, sending some videos to friends, a little newsgroup pillaging or filesharing, my family surfing, and 40-50GB/mo is at your door step.

EveryName
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·Shaw

said by JohnInSJ See Profile:
quote:
Most people resize their images.
If you have a fast pipe an no cap, why do that?

I won't give my reasons to resize images, but if someone sent me vacation pictures, I'd much rather get forty 800x600 images, than forty 3000x2000 images, which are probably going to be over 2MB each.
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Thomas C S

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Re: Same caps?

hehehe.

My film scans(Nikon SuperCoolscan 9000ED)are closer to 75 megabytes.

Grandma would kill me after forty pics

dvd536
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When you start grabbing dvdr images at 4+ gb per title it doesnt take long to chew thru 20 gigs.
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EveryName
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Re: Same caps?

said by dvd536 See Profile:
When you start grabbing dvdr images at 4+ gb per title it doesnt take long to chew thru 20 gigs.

This doesn't have anything to do with a speed increase. Either way, if you're doing that... you'll go over your bandwidth limit.
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pcscdma
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QoS priority = 2
QoS max upstream bandwidth = 256000 bps
QoS min upstream bandwidth = 0 bps
QoS max downstream bandwidth = 3000000 bps
QoS baseline privacy = False
QoS profile status = Active
QoS max transmit burst = unset

2929.6875/250kbps
2.86102294921875/0.244140625mbits/s

Looks like the broadband industry is copying the hard drive industry.

So do they do monthly caps this way too (50,000,000,000 bytes) or do they do it the base-2 way like you mentioned and I just translated?

Stupid question Whichever one makes them more money
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Ark

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Re: Same caps?

Um, *most* people measure bits with kilo = 1000 and bytes with kilo = 1024
256kbit/s is and always has been 256000bit/sec

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Re: Same caps?

said by Ark See Profile:
Um, *most* people measure bits with kilo = 1000 and bytes with kilo = 1024
256kbit/s is and always has been 256000bit/sec

and *most* people use 8 bits in a byte. 8192 bits in a kilobyte.

that cool 160gig hard drive you've been looking at doesn't hold 160GB. NTFS/FAT32/ext3fs formatting shouldn't shrink it down that far.
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my3cents

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the only way your gaining anything is if you actually sit in front of your pc and wait for the dl to complete. for 39.95 canadian dollars i get 3008/800 connection. e months ago it was a 1728/384 connection for the same money.

let the cable and dsl companies bash each other over the head with the speed issue it all works out for the consumer.

a canadian can only wonder how much money would be put aside for upgrades if they charged the canadian $$ rate of what the ppl in the usa are paying for broadband...
pr0ject6

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Hollywood, FL
LOL thats so true

kennydillon
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Goddard, KS

Once Again Roadrunner.........

Ok, Mr. Roadrunner guys, once again take note at the above article.

Thanks

KENNY
nasadude

join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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how 'bout some more upload instead?

If all comcast is going to do is increase download, 5M/256K isn't going to ring my bell at all. I could give a rat's @ss about more download - I want more upload. something like 3M/768K would be sweet.

5M/256K is not going to keep me from going to a 3M/512K (or something like that) DSL connection, especially when the DSL connection is cheaper.
davidcb13

join:2004-02-06
Branchville, NJ

Re: how 'bout some more upload instead?

maybe after the download race the "upload race" will begin
scooputer

join:2002-08-08
Ogden, UT

Who cares above 3Mbps

Who cares about anything above 3Mbps download. If these companies truly want to compete, or provide what the consumers really want, then they should start increasing the upload speed. I will instantly move over to the first company that can provide at least 1Mbps upload.
blizzah

join:2004-01-23
Riverside, CA

Re: Who cares above 3Mbps

to the person above, ever hear of quest? 1.5/1 for 39.99?
batmanst

join:2003-12-23
Beverly Hills, CA

Re: Who cares above 3Mbps

said by blizzah See Profile:
to the person above, ever hear of quest? 1.5/1 for 39.99?

fyi, that's qwest not quest! 896k upload is nice but 1.5 download still sucks! I rather 3000kbps/512kbps or 6000kbps/896kbps
Romeo4

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Shaw does »www.shaw.ca (The Extreme is $10 more but 5000/1000)

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rickten

join:2002-03-09
Davis, CA

Stability

Personally I would like to see less packet loss and sub 20ms ping times from west coast to east coast or vica versa. I could care less about adding more speed. I only have 384kbps of download right now. Yes it is slow when I want to download large files but the majority of the time I'm simply surfing the web or playing online games and to make those two things snappy I need low pings. BRING ON MORE ROBUST NETWORKS.

Mad_Hatter156

@telus.net

Been there

This is halarious watching US playing catch up. I've seen 5000/1500 cable up here in Canada since 1999-2000 for cheap.

kennydillon
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Goddard, KS

Re: Been there

But the US is always behind on the technology!
batmanst

join:2003-12-23
Beverly Hills, CA

Re: Been there

NO, they are just cheap mofu! they can provide 8mb/1mb on dsl or at least 10mb/2mb on cable but they rather continue to be stingy indefinitely until the rest of the world is so far ahead that they would just raise it a little.
2mb/384k to 3mb/384 TWC/RR is still shit!
1.8mb/128k to 3mb/256k comcast is still shit!
1500/256 to 3000/384 SBC is still shit!
1500/256 to 3000/384 BS is still shit!
We're really are behind the time and this puny increase is still far below what the technology can deliver!!!
silicon dog

join:2003-01-01
O Fallon, MO

mmmm

i would like to know exactly were anyone is getting 6 meg down from any ONE source at a time..ive yet to see it..usually takes me four or five to even max out my 3 meg down unless its from some big commercial site that doesn't have crap i want anyhow..just my two and a half cents..
batmanst

join:2003-12-23
Beverly Hills, CA

Re: mmmm

said by silicon dog See Profile:
i would like to know exactly were anyone is getting 6 meg down from any ONE source at a time..ive yet to see it..usually takes me four or five to even max out my 3 meg down unless its from some big commercial site that doesn't have crap i want anyhow..just my two and a half cents..

6000kbps is quite useless w/out at least a 1mbps on uploads, its not the download that we're all complaining about, its that stingy upload of 256-384kbps that they like to call it standard!
silicon dog

join:2003-01-01
O Fallon, MO

Re: mmmm

exactly...my 256 is sloooooooooooow...the 1.5 up/down service that a local wireless provider offers is tempting but the price is kinda high if you ask me..95 a month..
batmanst

join:2003-12-23
Beverly Hills, CA

Re: mmmm

said by silicon dog See Profile:
exactly...my 256 is sloooooooooooow...the 1.5 up/down service that a local wireless provider offers is tempting but the price is kinda high if you ask me..95 a month..

slow upload = control you like a bitch, lmao.
blame it on the politician, the government and the anti-piracy act of 2000 called "DMCA" (digital millenium copyright act) until we get the rights to do as we pleases with our connection, speed especially on the upload will be pisspoor indefinitely.

the_buz

join:2004-02-15
Yorba Linda, CA

That's a pretty good price. If I wanted to even upgrade to 512k upload through Adelphia, it will cost me nearly $80 a month. So I see getting 3x my upload for only $90 a month is fairly reasonable.

I look forward to the day where I can run dedicated game servers. As of now, I am only able to host 4 game max servers (without bots) on a 256k upload connection with decent pings. Any more... let's just say it takes a turn for the worse.

IGGY
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Chatham, IL

Blame Canada

I think the title says it all. If you can't get speedy broadband in the USA. Now you know who to blame. »[Speeds] Blame Canada
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