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 brianiscool
join:2000-08-16
Miami, FL | hah Cheap tactics , the wise can determine a faker right away. | |
|  | Shoreline
join:2003-09-29
Santa Clara, CA
| Re: hah This method used to detract from piracy, to me, is the only legitimate effort the RIAA/MPAA have made. The lawsuits and methods of circumventing laws to pander more money out of people, and attempts to further control recordable mediums, only show people what kind of slimebags they really are.
As for the impact? I remember them trying this on Napster, Morpheus, Kazaa, and so forth, well before they've been hitting torrent sites. The only people it really stops from piracy entirely would be the same people (i.e. less educated) who don't even know how to use a .torrent file. Otherwise, after being tricked, they just wise up.
I recall a giant effort made by the Chimaira's label when their album The Impossibility of Reason came out, as well as Disturbed's Believe, to curb piracy uploaded songs from their album with recorded voices telling them to buy their album, throughout. It was pretty effective in the more immediate, short term, in the few days span where people are most furiously crazed to get their hands on a new, hot album. That effort actually gathered some respect from me, as well. It's proof there are more intelligent, legitimate ways of fighting piracy than being the corporate, big brother bully who's going to stomp all over your ass (read: the Gestapo SWAT-like RIAA uniforms used during one of the more famous raids), or sue your 12 year old sister if you don't play by his rules. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ | once i finish a file, i check it, if its legit, I continue seeding til its 3:1, if fake i delete and STOP!
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swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
 ·RoadRunner Cable
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March 26th, @09:43PM
| The most interesting thing about the article, for me, was the frank admission that they really don't hope to stop p2p copyright infringement in this way or by any other of the existing means. Rather, they are only attempting to slow it to the point where new releases have a window of relief from piracy.
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| Stumbles
join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL
| Really they are criminals You know, if an individual was caught displaying full knowledge and intent to sabotage a computer system or interfering with someones network, they would be sued, prosecuted and otherwise arrested. And this is ok? So long as you use the excuse they have?
That's bullshit.
Now what do you suppose would happen if I started sabotaging all the media outlets networks in the same method as MediaDefender to allow my "legitimate product" gain more traction at the expense of theirs?
Yeah, that's right. It'd fly like a lead balloon.
AFAIAC MediaDEfender is nothing more than a criminal that already has the MAFIA, erm I mean the *AAs blessing. How convenient some companies and individuals can turn a blind eye. | |
| | russotto
join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA | Re: Really they are criminals It's a bit hard to lodge a complaint over someone sabotaging an illegal act. It's like calling the cops over having your cocaine stolen. | |
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MoeDumb
"No more RINOs"
Premium
join:2002-09-23
Bronx, NY
| Re: Really they are criminals said by russotto  :It's a bit hard to lodge a complaint over someone sabotaging an illegal act. It's like calling the cops over having your cocaine stolen. Cops have been prosecuted for stealing perps' drugs. The P2P's should file a lawsuit against these blackhats. You have to beat the scumbags in court.
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Pirate515
Premium
join:2001-01-22
Brooklyn, NY
|  Re: Really they are criminals
said by MoeDumb :Cops have been prosecuted for stealing perps' drugs. The P2P's should file a lawsuit against these blackhats. You have to beat the scumbags in court. It actually depends on what circumstances were. Some dirty cops have a nasty habit of using their authority to steal perps' or dealer's drugs and selling them themselves or reselling them to other dealers instead of turning them over to the police locker as evidence. Of course these cops should be prosecuted.
Getting back to the subject, it would be pretty funny to see one of these cases in court. The very principle of P2P allows anyone to put anything out there, including fakes. There are, however, creative ways to deal with these a**hats. Plus like someone mentioned, their fakes are pretty easy to spot, so for the most part, these idiots are wasting their money for nothing.
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
 ·Cruzio Internet
| If someone (or something) got hurt in the act of stealing the drugs, then yes they have every right to complain.
Your analogy doesnt fit the way you would like.
This does happen all the time with drug dealers, and some of them do call the police, and if the thief gets caught, it will be arrested and prosecuted.
I do not condone piracy or drug dealing. | |
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Pirate515
Premium
join:2001-01-22
Brooklyn, NY
| Re: Really they are criminalssaid by gaforces :This does happen all the time with drug dealers, and some of them do call the police, and if the thief gets caught, he/she will be arrested and prosecuted. LOL, that's the funniest thing I've heard. You do realize that the second you call the police reporting that someone stole drugs from you they will ask you where YOU got them and what you were doing with them? You have to be REALLY stupid to put yourself on the spot like that.
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cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN | Re: Really they are criminals Many people have been prosecuted for failing to pay taxes on drug sales or other illegal income. It's a double whammy because only an idiot would claim it, but if you don't and get caught, it's 2x the penalty.
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| | | Stumbles
join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL
| Not hardly the point as your example does nothing to include legitimate activities of p2p..... of which there are many.
The road infrastructure of any country is used for legitimate and non-legitimate activities. Does that give anyone the right to sabotage the highways in an analogous fashion to curtail "illegal" use? No. | |
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justbits
More fiber than ATT can handle
Premium
join:2003-01-08
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Midwest
·AT&T Yahoo
| Re: Really they are criminals Legitimate P2P networks are likely not targeted by MediaDefender.
I guess we need to define "legitimate". My favorite legitimate open source CD image search engine is likely not getting polluted by Media Defender.
Your favorite "legitimate" P2P network with music and videos is likely getting polluted by Media Defender. | |
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John Galt
Premium
join:2004-09-30
Oceanside, OR
| said by Stumbles :The road infrastructure of any country is used for legitimate and non-legitimate activities. Does that give anyone the right to sabotage the highways in an analogous fashion to curtail "illegal" use? No. Really now...
»www.fedsig.com/industry_solution···hure.pdf
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| | | Warez_Zealot
Mr. Misanthrope
join:2006-04-19
St Catharines, ON
| said by russotto :It's a bit hard to lodge a complaint over someone sabotaging an illegal act. It's like calling the cops over having your cocaine stolen. So you are saying ISP have no case to say that these companies are doing the equivalent of a DDOS to their available bandwidth? I hope their providers know what they are using the inet connection for.
They are essentially wasting ISP's resources on lame data packets.
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cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Really they are criminals said by Warez_Zealot :They are essentially wasting ISP's resources on lame data packets. It's not the ISP's responsibility to judge what is or isn't a lame data packet. Everyone here is a proponent of network neutrality. You can't have it both ways where the ISP does care what the bandwidth is being used for while at the same time not caring how it gets used.
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justbits
More fiber than ATT can handle
Premium
join:2003-01-08
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Midwest
·AT&T Yahoo
| Re: Really they are criminals Except many people who are for network neutrality are also against SPAM. Spamming is currently a grey area that I'm sure 99% of receivers would classify as lame data packets. Spamming is illegal in some nations (UK) and in others SPAM is extremely undesirable. So, just like the law has exceptions, there may need to be exceptions to network neutrality, depending on what scope network neutrality is applied at. In this case, I think that an ISP could claim that Media Defender is a Denial Of Service attack, but that probably wouldn't be a good idea for an ISP, considering the big bucks paying for Media Defender's services.
Hrm. So, in that respect, maybe the R*AA/M*AA are just as bad as the companies that back spammers, because they both are funding undesirable activity.  | |
| | | | | | nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD | more great U.S. business practices I guess it's cheaper and easier than competing on price, content and service.
Oh wait, I forgot, they don't want to compete at all! | |
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TigerLord
Resident Pentaxian
Premium,Mod
join:2002-06-09
Chicoutimi
·Videotron
·Bell Sympatico
Host:
International Broa..
Videotron
| Smart... At least it's a much smarter solution than what the MPAA and RIAA have done, that is, sue anything with a pulse that shares, willingly or not, some copyrighted material.
It is true anyone with even a bit of knowledge on what they are doing will recognize such files, but unfortunately, there are many, many unwise people out there ! | |
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Mchart
Tech Control
join:2004-01-21
Gurnee, IL
·RoadRunner Cable
·AT&T Yahoo
| Re: Media Defender, a fly on the a$$ of piracy said by WolfenxXx :p2p are little kiddie programs, real pirates use mIRC.  No fear. Real pirates know that mIRC is a client. | |
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elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO
·Mediacom
| Re: Media Defender, a fly on the a$$ of piracy said by Mchart :said by WolfenxXx :p2p are little kiddie programs, real pirates use mIRC. No fear. Real pirates know that mIRC is a client. REAL pirates use heavily scripted custom IRC clients | |
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL | That's odd... ...I've never had a problem downloading anything I'm looking for.
They must not be that good. | |
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Karl
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Re: That's odd... Yeah, I was going to say..
Bang up job, guys...
Even if their job is to delay it just enough to force purchase within a certain window. | |
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MrWeasel
@comcast.net
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Warez_Zealot
| Peer Guardian Just use Peer Guardian or other similar IP block lists...Problem solved! | |
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Jameson
Premium
join:2004-05-28
Fallbrook, CA
clubs:  | Re: Peer Guardian said by MrWeasel :
Just use Peer Guardian or other similar IP block lists...Problem solved!
Agreed. | |
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cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Peer Guardian said by supergirl :People that steal and do it smart use newsgroups, right? Using P2P is like playing "the get sued lotto" except you pay when you win. I always find it's better to conduct illegal activities with a single entity that I usually have already proven my identity with a very tracable credit card or other accounting method. That's much safer then a semi-anonymous P2P transfer.
Both sources are playing a lotto. I don't know of any existing cases were an infringer was busted from downloading from Newsgroup, but just a single case against EasyNews, GigaNews, etc will keep the RIAA/MPAA busy for YEARS.
Or, better yet, if you have morals, you don't steal at all but that is lost on today's entitlement generation, and apparently on this site as well. Yes, because having morals/ethics will suddenly make the worldwide problem instantly go away.
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| | robo_mojo
join:2006-01-11
Ada, OK
| said by MrWeasel :
Just use Peer Guardian or other similar IP block lists...Problem solved!
Because you KNOW that adsl-xxx-xx-xx-xxx.ny.someisp.net COULD NOT POSSIBLY be a bad guy, right? (hint: you don't know).
An IP blacklist requires you to know *everything* about *all* your potential enemies to be effective (a hopeless requirement), while an enemy doesn't have to know much about you at all.
Especially since, as long as your enemies have access to the same providers that everyone else in the world uses, you don't ever have any hope to completely hide from them. Unless you blacklist the whole internet.
Blacklists have always been a terrible idea for most kinds of security, but people still buy into the idea that it makes them safe for some odd reason... | |
| | | karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
Nashua, NH
·Fairpoint Communic..
| Re: Peer Guardian No, but some protection is always better than no protection. Sure, they can use new, unknown IP addresses, but all their known ones are blocked, so you are a fool if you don't at least block KNOWN ones. I use peer guardian, of course. But when I'm using torrents, it's only VERY rarely do I ever see a mediadefender.org. And the reason for that is that is that I use private torrent sites, and as soon as ANY IP from the 'known ranges' is found by the tracker, the client is automatically kicked and banned. So some protection is better than no protection. It's like sex, the only way to be SURE you don't catch a STD, is to not have sex, but that's not realistic, so always use a condom.
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| | | | robo_mojo
join:2006-01-11
Ada, OK
| Re: Peer Guardian said by karlmarx :No, but some protection is always better than no protection. Depends on how you define "better". You can block a significant portion of the internet and still be very open to attack. It is only that you don't know whether all those other millions of IPs you've allowed are trustworthy or not, and trust them by default anyway. That's still pretty weak security.
said by karlmarx :Sure, they can use new, unknown IP addresses, The big problem.
said by karlmarx :so you are a fool if you don't at least block KNOWN ones. You'd be a fool to think that would be be good enough for any considerable level of security.
said by karlmarx :I use peer guardian, of course. But when I'm using torrents, it's only VERY rarely do I ever see a mediadefender.org. And the reason for that is that is that I use private torrent sites, and as soon as ANY IP from the 'known ranges' is found by the tracker, the client is automatically kicked and banned. Hmm. I guess they will just have to try another line, or a proxy... (remember, you are basing your security on this).
said by karlmarx :So some protection is better than no protection. But not significantly...
said by karlmarx :It's like sex, the only way to be SURE you don't catch a STD, is to not have sex, but that's not realistic, so always use a condom. I'd imagine that a condom is more effective than an IP blacklist at keeping you safe (just an opinion, though). | |
| ossito16
join:2004-07-31
Whiting, IN
| p2p website comment sections As long as everyone leaves comments on p2p sites as to the quality of the file content (i.e. fake, video quality, audio quality, virus, password) there will be no way to deter p2p downloading. Actually , leaving comments frees up bandwidth because nobody waste their time grabbing bad stuff. These clowns seem similar to the old school DeLeters on 0-day ftp sites. Buddah says SEED! SEED! SEED! | |
| footballdude
join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO | easy money Getting paid for uploading a couple of dummy files? Sounds like a sweet gig. | |
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FiL
Premium
join:2005-08-16
Silver Spring, MD
| Re: Not polluting P2P - just illegal music and video sharing Doesn't matter TCH.
There's at least ONE legitimate reason (of which I can make out 10) that knocks the whole "its ALL illegal" talk out of the equation.
The real mantra is "What you do to one you will eventually do to hundreds." Meaning just cause I'm Latino doesn't mean I'm from #%^%ing Mexico...
Get it?
Generalizations don't do us any good. Maybe for the trendsetters and paparazzi rags, but not the common man. Lump everyone into one category is REAL easy to do. But I can't see how this is black and white...theres lots of gray area in this scam of a cleanup job the RIAA and MPAA got going on...
And I can't say it enough: Mutha#&@ the AA's! | |
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manfmmd
Premium
join:2003-01-14
Earth
clubs:
·AT&T Southwest
| Re: Not polluting P2P - just illegal music and video sharing said by FiL :Doesn't matter TCH. There's at least ONE legitimate reason (of which I can make out 10) that knocks the whole "its ALL illegal" talk out of the equation. The real mantra is "What you do to one you will eventually do to hundreds." Meaning just cause I'm Latino doesn't mean I'm from #%^%ing Mexico... Get it? Generalizations don't do us any good. Maybe for the trendsetters and paparazzi rags, but not the common man. Lump everyone into one category is REAL easy to do. But I can't see how this is black and white...theres lots of gray area in this scam of a cleanup job the RIAA and MPAA got going on... And I can't say it enough: Mutha#&@ the AA's! Seems pretty BLACK and WHITE to me.
If you are distributing copyrighted works without the permission of the copyright holder, you are breaking the law and can be held civilly or criminally liable.
If you are downloading copyrighted works without the permission of the copyright holder, you are infringing on copyrighted works and can be held civilly liable.
If you are downloading software that is considered to be Freeware, Shareware, or have a GNU License, and you are following the restrictions of said license, you are fine.
The only gray area comes in when people try to justify their illegal use of other people copyrighted works without permission and they somehow justify it by spewing the usual mantra..
"Music is crap.", "Movie tickets are too expensive.", "Artists and Record labels have enough money.", "I'm entitled!".
All a bunch of crap.
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bolt
Former Broadband Exile
Premium
join:2003-11-11
Charlestown, IN | One more time. It's not stealing, it's copyright violations. If people start letting the **aa's get away with changing terminology, they effectively change it from an actionable civil issue into an actionable criminal issue. Big difference. | |
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dadkins
Living on a Blu Planet
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| LOL! Thing is, if you actually read the comments, the file shareres flag fakes.
Many fakes are small files(874k?) with the name of the MP3/AVI you are looking for... well, gee!
An MP3, album, or AVI that is only 874k?
With 20mbps available bandwidth?
Oh yeah! That's the real file alright! 
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| axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
·Cox HSI
| Probably nothing illegal about this There aren't any laws about protocol behaviour on the internet, so being a bad seed is not illegal. They aren't hacking into private servers, they're using public services.
This is ultimately good for file-sharing, because defenses against these problems help the long-term stability of peer to peer systems. If systems are made secure against Media Defender, they'll be better placed to resist tactics of malware authors, spammers, and virus authors. And importantly, governments that criminalize or regulate P2P. | |
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aaron83_01
I can't get myself to go away.
join:2005-01-03
Clarkston, WA
·CableOne
| Re: How about this then? said by gatorkram :Who is with me? Oh wait... hmm almost sounds like the same thing this company is doing... Still think it should be legal? Actually, assuming the substances you sell are in no way illegal, pretending they are and selling them as such would NOT be illegal. You MAY get arrested, but when it was discovered the substances were in fact NOT illegal drugs, the charges would be dropped and you'd be released.
Your REAL problem would be all the jonesing pissed-off users who would track you down and kill you.
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| | | Taget
join:2004-07-29
| Re: How about this then? quote:
Actually, assuming the substances you sell are in no way illegal, pretending they are and selling them as such would NOT be illegal. You MAY get arrested, but when it was discovered the substances were in fact NOT illegal drugs, the charges would be dropped and you'd be released.
Actually it IS a crime to sell fake illeal drugs. Prosecutors don't like to let people go due to mere "technicalities." | |
| | axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC | You're too late, Enzyte, diet pills, etc all thought of that first. | |
| karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
Nashua, NH
·Fairpoint Communic..
| The programmers are better than Mediadefender If you look at the major traffic on the internet (torrents), mediadefender just doesn't work. At ALL! Why? because if my client gets bad data from you, I ban you. Maybe I download 1 piece from a mediasentry 'fake', but the fact of the matter is that the client recognizes bad data, and stops talking to the person sending bad data.
The only think mediasentry could do, would be to POST the wrong file, but for 99% of the torrent sites I go to, fake file posts are quickly deleted.
Again, why any company would pay mediasentry confuses me. I can say 'I'll disrupt xxxx', but that doesn't mean I can. Just go to www.thepiratebay.org, and you can get whatever you want.
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aaron83_01
I can't get myself to go away.
join:2005-01-03
Clarkston, WA | Re: The programmers are better than Mediadefender Or isohunt.com.
Or as was said above, IRC. | |
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Scair
Premium
join:2002-02-12
Greenville, SC
| Alternative Buy the DVD/CD/etc and you'd make this company obsolete.
And no, I don't like the **AA either. It's called living with integrity as best you can. I agree, it's frustrating how slow the market is coming around to working WITH rather than AGAINST the customers. In some way though, you can't blame them for viewing the customers with suspicion when a large amount of said customers are just taking what they want.
I guess my point is if you want to change the whole industry,
a) Have patience. Stop buying their stuff, or buy from whatever decent digital alternative there is(iTunes for example), or even rent (Netflix and others).
b) Don't ignore the law and act as if you're fully justified in order to change a bad system. Civil disobedience in case of human freedoms is one thing, but entertainment media? Come on! Put things into perspective: Life moves on if the **AAs don't get some brains and change, and the sun will continue to rise each morning if we have to keep paying high prices for our music.
Please understand, I HATE HATE HATE the greed, inflexibility, and overall stupidity of the media industry, but if I am willing to bend the law in such a trivial area of my life(entertainment), what lack of integrity will I show elsewhere? Two wrongs don't make a right. | |
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs: | So sue them. So thieves get suckered, its all good. It is freedom of the interweb, I vote two thumbs up. | |
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skorched_waters
@verizon.net
| Suck Lemmons Scorched earth policies of copyright holders will not stand in the way of people who want to get what they want for $nothing$. The RIAA tried this unsuccessfully many times over and (possibly?) has all but given up on that idea. Movie and Software copyright holders seem to have a "LARGER" stake in their works and will pull out all the stops, but to very little avail.... for the tide is A-Headin' down PirateBay's sights!
Yaahr! | |
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jehu
Premium
join:2002-09-13
MA
·Comcast
| mom and pop defense Stuff like this has been around for a while... of course savvy pirates don't end up getting suckered, but the intention of the "pollution," to annoy and frustrate casual, less sophisticated users into "eff it I'll just go but the damn thing", probably does well. | |
| Asmodeus1
join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA
| DMCA... i'd say that an admission like this is subject to a DMCA prosecutorial test... the techniques this individual has presented are certainly illegal if not a willful disregard for the law as it relates to introducing counterfeit and intentionally debilitated copyright material... | |
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Not Myself Today
@rr.com | Charge Em! I think the ISPs need to charge these alleged human beings for bandwidth. Sort of like the university charging for sending out letters.
If you want to stop the nonsense, make them pay. | |
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