Google, You're a Wireless TeaseSorry to contradict the "Google's loss was a win" meme, but... 11:39AM Friday Mar 21 2008 by Karltags: legal · competition · business · wireless · alternatives · bandwidth · Op/Ed · telco · net-neutrality · GoogleGive them some credit -- before the 700Mhz auction Google lawyer and lobbyist Richard Whitt argued that the game was rigged, and that it was nearly impossible for a pesky upstart to beat AT&T and Verizon in the 700Mhz auction. While Google got a lot of attention pretending that they'd give it a shot, the end results indicate the search giant didn't try very hard, winning no licenses and essentially bidding to lose. Still, Google posted to their policy blog that the auction, in which the last great batch of wireless spectrum was gobbled up by industry incumbents, "produced a major victory for American consumers." In a statement shortly after the winners were announced, Google insisted that "Consumers soon should begin enjoying new, Internet-like freedom to get the most out of their mobile phones and other wireless devices." Yes, here's the part where we're supposed to tell you that Google's loss was actually a win, because Google forced the FCC to attach some barely enforceable Carter-fone "open access" conditions to the spectrum, resulting in a brave new world of wireless connectivity. Sorry, that's nonsense. In the years we've watched AT&T and Verizon at work, there's not a law, condition, or requirement their lobbyists haven't been able to wiggle around, through or over -- given enough time and resources. To expect otherwise here is folly. And if you think Verizon is upset because Google managed to nudge the spectrum price tag up by a billion or two, you're underestimating Verizon's profit margins. Spending decades charging grandmothers seven bucks and up for a feature like caller ID (that costs pennies to provide) does have some benefits, you know. Making Verizon overpay for something is kind of like making Lance Armstrong bike another twenty yards and then screaming victory. The most Google accomplished was to make a small ripple in the very large pond that AT&T and Verizon inhabit. While the auction's biggest winner, Verizon, is taking baby steps toward "open access," those steps are largely showmanship, over-stated by the media, and will come at a steep premium for consumers. The primary focus will remain on promoting their traditional phone options, with "open access" connectivity offered begrudgingly as a luxury service (with a highly restrictive terms of service). It will remain business as usual. Google is an advertising company concerned with selling ads, and never intended to be a philanthropic network operator. While they could have teamed with another company to build and manage the network, existing partners such as Sprint or Clearwire were in no position to extend themselves. Google's only play here was a political one, and its impact was negligible. In the end Google created little more than a whirlwind of free press for the Google brand, while the last great hope for wireless broadband competition evaporated into the digital ether. Related:- Product Spotlight: EV-DO Showdown - Verizon vs. Sprint
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|  |  NOCMan Verizon Fios User Premium join:2004-09-30 Flower Mound, TX | Re: Precisely I bet there will be some way that VZ gets out of the open access requirements.
Is it any wonder when the rumors heated up they came out with thier own open access program? | |
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| Re: Precisely no they will probably have open access which you would pay a premium to access which will make their offerings more attractive. nuff said. -- Learning how to invest. Sign up to get 3 free trades for you and me each. Personal Message me. Thanks | |
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join:2003-08-05 Madison, AL | Backlash? Maybe Google will feel a little backlash for playing with the consumers heartstings...  | |
|  |  |  |   CylonRed Premium,MVM join:2000-07-06 Bloom County | Re: Good article And we have a WINNNNAR....! | |
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Brilliant.  | |
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| rigged? I can't see how you can call an auction rigged, unless you weren't allowed to bid at all. Whoever is willing to pay the most money wins, I don't think it can be more fair than that. Taxpayers get the money, and the people who paid for the license will build something there.
Google didn't have enough money to pull this off, that's too bad. I think they could have grown the market more than Verizon will, but it's up to their shareholders and board to decide that. | |
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| Re: rigged? said by axus :I can't see how you can call an auction rigged, unless you weren't allowed to bid at all. Whoever is willing to pay the most money wins, I don't think it can be more fair than that. Taxpayers get the money, and the people who paid for the license will build something there. Google didn't have enough money to pull this off, that's too bad. I think they could have grown the market more than Verizon will, but it's up to their shareholders and board to decide that. Whomever has the most money wins is not fair. By the rules of this auction it is, but in the case of the public spectrum, this was a most decidedly unfair auction and will not result in any new or innovative technology for the public as a whole.
We will get a new technology in 10 years time from Verizon and AT&T, which will have usage caps, be locked to the original provider, have draconian contracts with ridiculous early termination fees, and be prohibitively expensive. In other words, nothing will change. | |
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| Re: rigged? said by MattE :but in the case of the public spectrum, this was a most decidedly unfair auction and will not result in any new or innovative technology for the public as a whole. Please explain how this is "decidedly unfair". Every single one of these is for "public spectrum", and they are mandated by Congress. Did you read the auction documentation or are you just upset that Google played you? -- Toolmaster of La Grange. | |
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| Re: rigged? said by RadioDoc :said by MattE :but in the case of the public spectrum, this was a most decidedly unfair auction and will not result in any new or innovative technology for the public as a whole. Please explain how this is "decidedly unfair". Every single one of these is for "public spectrum", and they are mandated by Congress. Did you read the auction documentation or are you just upset that Google played you? I could care less that about the whole Google fiasco. I'm upset that the system caters to the incumbents who have the most money. It doesn't allow for an upstart to win any valuable spectrum ... so the system is unfairly biased toward whomever has the deepest pockets. IN this case, Verizon and AT&T. Yet again. | |
|  |  |  |  |   RadioDoc Sortofadog Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11 Chicago, IL | Re: rigged? You probably don't understand bidding credits and bid multipliers.
Any startup wanting to get in on this could have. -- Toolmaster of La Grange. | |
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| I think that a lot of people missed the fact that there was 3 large bidders, VZ,ATT, and Dish who walked away with the most in terms of total area coverage of the 700mhz auction. What Dish/Echostar have planned for it no one knows but they did walk away with the most markets licences. But they do lack a few major markets that ATT and Verizon simply out bid on which were Boston, NYC, LA.. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |   Karl News Guy join:2000-03-02 | Re: rigged? The spectrum Echostar/Dish won is for one-way transmission.... | |
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| There's a big issue for any startup- they can't use this spectrum at all until next year, but they'd have to pay for it right now- a down payment within ten days, and the full balance within twenty... Honestly, that part of the auction seems the most biased against startup wireless companies to me. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |   Karl News Guy join:2000-03-02 | Re: rigged? AT&T dropped a cool billion in down payment today... | |
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join:2003-11-07 Long Beach, CA | silly. They won't give it to some a financially weak upstart company because that company does not have the financial resources to build a network. All some upstart would do is sell the frequencies to another company at an inflated price. | |
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| Re: rigged? at almost $600 a share of stock are they really that financially weak? They could have built a small start-up network called it a beta like they call everything else and the public would have been happy cause it's google!
And the good thing is, that it would be beta, which means people would put up with the problems and not complain because "It's google!, and it's Beta!" | |
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| said by MattE :said by axus :I can't see how you can call an auction rigged, unless you weren't allowed to bid at all. Whoever is willing to pay the most money wins, I don't think it can be more fair than that. Taxpayers get the money, and the people who paid for the license will build something there. Google didn't have enough money to pull this off, that's too bad. I think they could have grown the market more than Verizon will, but it's up to their shareholders and board to decide that. Whomever has the most money wins is not fair. By the rules of this auction it is, but in the case of the public spectrum, this was a most decidedly unfair auction and will not result in any new or innovative technology for the public as a whole. We will get a new technology in 10 years time from Verizon and AT&T, which will have usage caps, be locked to the original provider, have draconian contracts with ridiculous early termination fees, and be prohibitively expensive. In other words, nothing will change. I think "most money wins" is more fair than subjective feelings about how "good" or "bad" a company is. If you have subjective measurements like that, the potential for corruption goes up. You do know that Martin has a soft spot for telcos, right?
If the FCC had put a value on certain promises, say "promises not to restrict the devices are worth 2 billion", we'd be in the same situation we are now, with 2 billion less. | |
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| Thanks Karl. It's about time Google started to be called what they are, which is an "advertising company concerned with selling ads". I would complete that thought by including "a publicly traded" in that sentence before "advertising". Their duty is to their shareholders and if that somehow benefits a customer here and there then great.
They do marketing by press release. Unfortunately a lot of the press swallows it whole without a single critical thought.
Thanks for shining the light. -- Toolmaster of La Grange. | |
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| Re: Thanks Karl. Agreed.
Based on the posts in the forum attached to yesterday's article about the spectrum winners, it's apparent that it wasn't just the press that was swallowing Google's releases without much critical thought.
Google didn't fail anyone, as they never promised to win any of the spectrum... | |
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| Re: Thanks Karl. I think, the price of wireless spectrum has been inflated by Google participation, i.e. telco has overpaid for it. There is saying: "Generals always prepare to fight the last war". Wireless voice market is near saturation and telco won't be able to get the same revenue for data as voice. It is actually the same was with landlines. Voice was true cash cows, not DSL. Otherwise they would not go to video market. I think, in near future they start selling unused spectrum for 30%-50% of original price. | |
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| Re: Thanks Karl. Making Verizon overpay for something is like saying you forced someone with a 70 IQ to say something stupid.
It's negligible and irrelevant. Verizon would have spent twice that if it meant protecting their massive profit margins (caller ID, SMS, MMS) long term -- without batting an eyelash. Verizon is an epic U.S. business operation with one of the most powerful lobbying machine's on K-Street, and Google just started lobbying Uncle Sam last month or so... | |
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| Re: Thanks Karl. said by Karl :...is like saying you forced someone with a 70 IQ to say something stupid. I resemble that remark! | |
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said by Karl : quote: a lot of the press swallows it whole without a single critical thought.
All of the press. Not all of the press: »www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/···se-loses
You wrote it far better than I did, but not everybody saw this as some kind of Google victory for the ages. | |
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| Re: Not everyone, Karl "Only the prospect of Google or a similarly-minded company winning the spectrum excited us. Imagine if Google's nascent Android mobile platform would have arrived at one of the big Asian manufacturing firms with specs for a 700MHz antenna in place."
Well, you weren't giggling and grinning that Google had somehow fooled the big guys into their tent but are still giving them a pass on intent.
As Karl put it much more generally, Google is an advertising company. The only interest they had in this auction was to make sure their ad model was not totally locked out of whatever "new" services climb from the swamp. You're still talking like they are some benevolent rich uncle making sure the bullies don't take over the playground. In reality they are more like that odd guy in his trench coat sitting on the bench every day, watching. -- Toolmaster of La Grange. | |
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| Re: Not everyone, Karl I think it's more that I gave Google the benefit of the doubt. The ability to drop a few hundred thousand phones carry Google advertising onto the mobile market, with voice/data priced much lower than the entrenched wireless companies offer.
Think what you will about Google, such a scenario could have created an amazing shift in the market. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |   RadioDoc Sortofadog Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11 Chicago, IL | Re: Not everyone, Karl So could free, unlimited service delivered by flying monkeys. Which has about the same probability of happening. -- Toolmaster of La Grange. | |
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| Re: Not everyone, Karl said by RadioDoc :So could free, unlimited service delivered by flying monkeys. Which has about the same probability of happening. So that's how Google plans to deliver wi-fi without interfering with TV or wireless mikes! Cool! Good catch RadioDoc. | |
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| I think it's most interesting that google stock is at almost $600 a share and they couldn't bid on a spectrum? As far as the game rigged, that's hogwash. They had the cash, they didn't want to spend it.
This is no more AT&T and verizon's fault than just bidding. Google could have bid too, but they didn't. I call google the little engine that could, but don't repeatedly.
They would have only been a serious threat, had they bid and won something.
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| Re: I think it's most interesting David, I saw a post you made in 2007 about a sony spp-2000 phone. My grandmother is 86 and has used this phone for years. For the last 3 years I must periodically duct tape the antenna back on. Do you know where I could find a phone or replacement parts? I have bought her 2 other cordless phones, but she can not use them. I know this phone is extinct, but my poor grandmother is 86. HELP | |
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| Re: I think it's most interesting Not to get too far off the main topic. My antenna broke as well. On the inside there is just a screw and one wire for the antenna. If it was me I would try Ebay and start there. It's not hard to put an antenna in it. All you really do is remove two screws around the battery compartment area and just take a small flat screwdriver and pop it loose around the edges. If the wires for the mic and such were not so thin I would have wired that thing up for a headset use. Problem is the wires are so thin that just attempting to touch them with a soldering iron would be suicide unless I replace all the wires. Which there is 4 and I would have to work on that one a bit more, and I would have to know on most common headsets which is talk and which is recieve in relationship to tip and ring on the 3.5mm plug.
That part I am still working on and seeing what type of wire I am going to need to make it happen.
To mods: please feel free to move this topic as well as the other post I responded to, to the more appropriate forum.
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| this article is BS i don't see any links to how the bidding went forward. do you not remember that MS put out what seemed like a serious bid on yahoo right when the bidding on the c block was reaching the neutrality stage? why is it so hard to see that google could have been seeing what looked like a liquidity battle looming and decided it couldn't risk the investment? further, the rest of the article is basically blaming google for trying, which is ludicrous. not to mention the fact that while att and verizon have had free rein under the republican presidency and FCC chairmanship, that can all change in a heart beat in november.
basic idea - don't blame the innocent for trying, regardless of whether it was just all talk or not (and you have no evidence it WAS all talk, all you have is a list of winning bidders and google, a company that had to seriously consider fighting a hostile MS takeover of yahoo.
doesn't it even register that it took att and verizon teaming up to beat out what might have been a real effort on google's part?
you're all a bunch of reverse pollyannas. and to boot (or as a result), your analysis is about as superficial as it gets. -- Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam. | |
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| Let the Lawsuits Begin VZW is becoming a company that attracts lawsuits like a honey wagon attract flys and for the same reason. I wonder if Google set them up. After the 8830 GPS issue I sure hope so. I am waiting to see how the class action lawsuit on that one comes out. | |
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