YEP! Another Google project they'll walk on. They thought they could do it better. Well Google, put your money where your mouth is and lets see. You thought you could do better in the cell phone industry to; you're attempts failed you on unlocked devices. Then the move to bid up spectrum to create an "open" network; failed. Seems that lately anything they touch fails because they're working on the cheap! Time for them to give up now.
| |RobIn Deo speramus.Premium
said by 25139889:They underestimated the power of the industry they are trying to compete in. That goes for the wireless industry, the communication industry, and even the software industry.
Another Google project they'll walk on. They thought they could do it better. Well Google, put your money where your mouth is and lets see. You thought you could do better in the cell phone industry to; you're attempts failed you on unlocked devices. Then the move to bid up spectrum to create an "open" network; failed. Seems that lately anything they touch fails because they're working on the cheap! Time for them to give up now.
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Re: YEP! The industry isn't really the problem. It's GOOG trying to skimp on how they install. Putting line crews in dangerous areas to get away for paying on ROW - but refusing to pay for the required linemen? That's not the industry- that's Google being CHEAP!
And Google has the $$ they just fail to put it where they start talking when they claim they can show change. Their change often fails and they walk away like nothing happened and but got free advertising.
| |said by Rob: I think it less about competition, and more about understanding that there are no short cuts, no matter how deep your pockets/influance.
They underestimated the power of the industry...
engineering, constructing, configuring a new network just takes time.
it is part of what they wanted/needed to learn from this experiment
Re: YEP! and that is my point! Thank you!
They thought they could under cut in many ways and found out they could not in the end. I wouldn't doubt this project will be killed off before long. They'll have something to say along the lines of "we have experienced [insert new reason here] and we are unable to build out our FTTH network. Thus until further notice the project will not finish. We greatly apologize"
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said by 25139889:and everyone will just believe them on that because google can do no wrong. All the meantime they just rake in the cash reading your email and giving you ads, reading your documents and giving you ads, using their voicemail and giving you ads. scanning your search and giving you ads.
Thus until further notice the project will not finish. We greatly apologize"
You have to admit for not dealing with the public, it sure does pay them well. Now all they would have to do is buy facebook and they have the ultimate ad to public revenue stream for the rest of their natural days,and still not really have to deal with the public but make money off them because they are the product being sold!
Just think, facebook able to be searched via google. Can you imagine the ad revenue?
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Re: YEP! That is true. And a good share of the ads on FB are still delivered by doubleclick.com according to their cookies.
But as we all know- the bigger they are the harder they fall and the time will come. MSFT came to that fall. Google will be the next of that size. Many outlets were putting out at the first of the year about how Google will be next along with Apple. The day will soon come. After all Dell has reached its market for consumer products; and left. They reached their fall as things become more tight in the consumer markets.
Re: YEP! privacy is done and over with. TOS/AUPs take that away.
Re: YEP! Very true! and that is the reason they did NOT build a wireless network. They new it would cost $$$$ in support. They don't wanna support EUs they just wanna collect the $$$ anyway they can and be done with it.
As I see it though- the project is basically dead at this point with them. No launch time and this problem again; deff dead.
Re: YEP! They will definately launch...eventually
Look at the history
febuary 2010 they announced it, and expected to be operational in 6 months.
then they extend the whole selection process/contest/circus and approval process dragged it out longer, once selected KC had their approvals process, part of which showed google their "just hang it anywhere" idea was unrealistic in the real world.
So an young engineer in Mt. View is learning some reality. (If you've ever spent time at google or any of the tech giants in silly valley you'd know that things get done around their towns at the snap of a finger (and a pile of money) that require a little more thought and compliance with existing regulations elsewhere.
The free thinking enviroment brings up a some real good ideas, and alot of bad ones (most of which never see daylight, thank god!) But does set up a dream sequence/disneyland/neverland/hollywood like reality that sometimes doesn't transfer well to the physical world.
Anybody that thought this would be less than a 2-5 year project just wasn't thinking.
Re: YEP! not true, the KC area is a crossroads of fiber backbone and surrounding small cities like overland park etc. host many mid amerrica server farms and net startups
It really fits the profile google wanted to test, can bringing ubiquious ultra-high speed internet to an older otherwise un techie town magically transform it to a 21st century meca/powerhouse in the information economy?
i.e. Is connectivty, alone, the catalyst America needs?
If not what else does it need?
the trouble is the answers are years off, and it's not quite as simple as concieved.
Re: YEP! Backbone fiber has nothing to do with FTTH. Backbone fiber cable goes for miles with out any cuts or connectors.
Re: YEP! I understand that, what I was saying is that the area around KC is not a technology wasteland that some portray it to be.
Having all the core resources close by, made KC proper (both of them) the perfect blank slate for this experiment.
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they didn't buy the right congressional critter and local government critters. Sucks to be them! Those city inspectors are not cheap ya know!
Google Gigabit delay possible. When we built the Panama Canal, we had delays. The John Hancock building in Chicago was delayed. Big projects can get delayed when undertaken by those new to the business area they are branching out to. Unlike the other failed Google projects, this one would be seen and understood to be a failure by the general public. The other failed projects were technical dreams that were watched by the geeks and nerds of the IT industry. The general public had little idea the projects even existed. Google Gigabit was a nationwide call to action to dream big. Failure will tactically and strategically hurt Google. Dashing the hopes, for better internet service, of a community of 500,000 families is not a good PR move. Dashing the hopes of your researchers for a large scale Gigabit experimental test network, is not good for employee morale. They may have quit projects before, but this is too important to them to be tossed aside. They will get the entire fiber optic network built and operational. I do think, as they have hinted at, that the network may not be operated above a half of a Gigabit symmetrical during its first years of operation. That is what the announcement may be. It takes a lot of stuff to have every home, business, and government building in Kansas City connected at 1,000Mbps symmetrical. Cutting that in half may be a more realistic in the first years.
KC fiber rollout is already significant I'm in KC and am also skeptical if Google can fully pull this off but they have laid down A LOT of fiber. They've contracted to Atlantic Engineering and many are seeing their trucks all over the city actually stringing fiber through the manholes. I see them about every other day at different intersections through Midtown KC - with giant roll of fiber. Two months ago they've reported over 100 miles strung, is likely quite a bit more than that by now.
Even if Google doesn't manage the network in the end, KC is getting a _major_ infrastructure upgrade.
Re: KC fiber rollout is already significant and if they don't get it launched- the fiber will be nothing but sitting there unless its sold to someone or some ISPs decides to lease it. The same as with other cities that have Fiber deep within in. It's useless with nobody using it.
Re: Fiber to the home for the win! No way !!!! Utopia was a failure , these are faked !!!
Muni for the win !
El Paso, TX
Re: Fiber to the home for the win! Fiber will improve your ping, but only about 5-10 ms
Salt Lake City, UT
Re: Fiber to the home for the win!
said by tim tim tim:Its fiber optic connection installed in my home into a AT-iMG606BD FTTH gateway (modem). My ISP is XMission which cost $45/month for 100Mbps/100Mbps service.
Just curious, how much do you pay for this connection and where is it located? I know slc, but in a residence or a business?
this stuff is hard running wires/fiber takes time, as does picking equipment vendors and doing all the hard stuff like billing systems and support systems. Running a retail network is a lot harder that connecting their data centers to the internet.
And if they want to launch an IPTV platform on top of that, the problem becomes even harder - look how long it took Verizon and ATT to launch their services.
Buying Moto does provide access to a lot of expertise, if they choose to listen. The problem with being the smartest people in the room is that you can still be wrong in an approach.
They will get this to work, but it takes time to get it right.
Re: this stuff is hard Google already has their support system in palce: help.google.com the best support system EVER created by them
Buying Moto is moot for them; especially since they went to offload their STB division and other resources that Moto has.
Google just bought off more than they can chew and it will go away- the same as their Open Wireless Network did. And their plans to make the Nexus Unlocked phones the best thing ever to make waves in the wireless industry.
Overhyped by nerds Just like they thought that Android phones were going to be free with no contract and no monthly payments, All you had to do was view ads
El Paso, TX
Re: Overhyped by nerds It's still coming. Anyone somehow shocked by these delays shouldn't be.
Re: Overhyped by nerds and you must not have seen that when Google doesn't get their way or it becomes a money project- they run. If they can't make $$$ they don't wait it. And this isn't making any $$$.
Re: WTF?! kansas city Mo has AT&T time Warner cable. and century link in Harrisionville MO. I lived there before I moved here.
| This is more about reputation than what telco & cableco offer.. Google billed themselves big press releases saying this will happen and now it seems like more delays & problems are cropping up.|
Once google gets their foot in the door as a last mile ISP, this can potentially grow. IIRC, they will charge for the gigabit and offer only 100/100 service for free. The rollout itself was 'free of charge' and not a significant factor in what they charge for gigabit. Some delays might be for installing wireless video transmission equipment too. Even at a 20:1 ratio of price- gigbit would crush anything a telco & cableco would offer. Verizon will release 300mbit downstream tier in June..
Finally, a broadband deployment race begins.. only had to wait 2 - 3 years for another speed increase.
why would anyone even care if it is delayed? I mean really ... are you jealous or envious? Someone even said the midwest is without tech? Are you kidding me?
Delayed, but will come eventually Not really surprised. Although i'm not much of a fan of google, i fully expect them to launch within the next year to a limited porton of KC. Delays with a project this size should be expected.
As to whether it will successful... who knows
I think google will underestimate the level of competition that they'll get from cable and might need a bailout of some sort to continue service at a profitable level.
upward... amazes me how many haters are out there no matter what the issue may be. people seem to be so negative these days. I personally like Google and the innovation they are bringing to the table. Do I hate them for making a fortune? not really. And as far a privacy being dead, this is unfortunately is the world we are now living in, but I would be less concerned about Google Targeted advertising, and MUCH more concerned about the 900+ million people that feel it is fine to post every intricate detail of their "private?" lives on FaceBook, Twitter, LinkedIN, etc, etc, etc. That doesnt even require any effort for third parties to datamine their info. easy as pie. and google does not own them...so just keeping perspective.