 | | YEP! Another Google project they'll walk on. They thought they could do it better. Well Google, put your money where your mouth is and lets see. You thought you could do better in the cell phone industry to; you're attempts failed you on unlocked devices. Then the move to bid up spectrum to create an "open" network; failed. Seems that lately anything they touch fails because they're working on the cheap! Time for them to give up now. | |
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 |  RobIn Deo speramus.Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
kudos:3 | Re: YEP! said by 25139889:Another Google project they'll walk on. They thought they could do it better. Well Google, put your money where your mouth is and lets see. You thought you could do better in the cell phone industry to; you're attempts failed you on unlocked devices. Then the move to bid up spectrum to create an "open" network; failed. Seems that lately anything they touch fails because they're working on the cheap! Time for them to give up now.
They underestimated the power of the industry they are trying to compete in. That goes for the wireless industry, the communication industry, and even the software industry.
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| | | | Re: YEP! The industry isn't really the problem. It's GOOG trying to skimp on how they install. Putting line crews in dangerous areas to get away for paying on ROW - but refusing to pay for the required linemen? That's not the industry- that's Google being CHEAP!
And Google has the $$ they just fail to put it where they start talking when they claim they can show change. Their change often fails and they walk away like nothing happened and but got free advertising. | |
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| |  tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3
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| said by Rob: They underestimated the power of the industry... I think it less about competition, and more about understanding that there are no short cuts, no matter how deep your pockets/influance.
engineering, constructing, configuring a new network just takes time.
it is part of what they wanted/needed to learn from this experiment | |
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| | | | | Re: YEP! and that is my point! Thank you!
They thought they could under cut in many ways and found out they could not in the end. I wouldn't doubt this project will be killed off before long. They'll have something to say along the lines of "we have experienced [insert new reason here] and we are unable to build out our FTTH network. Thus until further notice the project will not finish. We greatly apologize" | |
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| | | |  DavidNow accepting new patientsPremium,VIP
join:2002-05-30
Granite City, IL
kudos:78
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1 edit | Re: YEP! said by 25139889:
Thus until further notice the project will not finish. We greatly apologize"
and everyone will just believe them on that because google can do no wrong. All the meantime they just rake in the cash reading your email and giving you ads, reading your documents and giving you ads, using their voicemail and giving you ads. scanning your search and giving you ads.
You have to admit for not dealing with the public, it sure does pay them well. Now all they would have to do is buy facebook and they have the ultimate ad to public revenue stream for the rest of their natural days,and still not really have to deal with the public but make money off them because they are the product being sold!
Just think, facebook able to be searched via google. Can you imagine the ad revenue?
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| | | | | | | Re: YEP! That is true. And a good share of the ads on FB are still delivered by doubleclick.com according to their cookies.
But as we all know- the bigger they are the harder they fall and the time will come. MSFT came to that fall. Google will be the next of that size. Many outlets were putting out at the first of the year about how Google will be next along with Apple. The day will soon come. After all Dell has reached its market for consumer products; and left. They reached their fall as things become more tight in the consumer markets. | |
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die google!!  | |
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join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | I love this statement by Google:
quote:
it was blessing Kansas City with an ultra-fast Internet service and that it would deploy the hookups at “Google speed.”
And that they are. "Google Speed" is a rollout that could take years - just like most of their beta projects. And the support they offer will be "post in a forum and we will get back to you" oh sometime in the next month or so. | |
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| | | | Re: YEP! Very true! and that is the reason they did NOT build a wireless network. They new it would cost $$$$ in support. They don't wanna support EUs they just wanna collect the $$$ anyway they can and be done with it.
As I see it though- the project is basically dead at this point with them. No launch time and this problem again; deff dead. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
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| Re: YEP! $20 says they'll launch...eventually.
Remember, this isn't the first infrastructure project they've sunk funds into. They put a ton of money into Clearwire...unfortunately Clear's scattergun, slipshod approach to network-building means that a new network needs to be built in its place. | |
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
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| Re: YEP! They will definately launch...eventually
Look at the history
febuary 2010 they announced it, and expected to be operational in 6 months.
then they extend the whole selection process/contest/circus and approval process dragged it out longer, once selected KC had their approvals process, part of which showed google their "just hang it anywhere" idea was unrealistic in the real world.
So an young engineer in Mt. View is learning some reality. (If you've ever spent time at google or any of the tech giants in silly valley you'd know that things get done around their towns at the snap of a finger (and a pile of money) that require a little more thought and compliance with existing regulations elsewhere.
The free thinking enviroment brings up a some real good ideas, and alot of bad ones (most of which never see daylight, thank god!) But does set up a dream sequence/disneyland/neverland/hollywood like reality that sometimes doesn't transfer well to the physical world.
Anybody that thought this would be less than a 2-5 year project just wasn't thinking. | |
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| | | The billion dollar question is what where they thinking rolling it out there in the first place anyway. The Tech and IT sector in Middle-America is non-existent. | |
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
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| Re: YEP! not true, the KC area is a crossroads of fiber backbone and surrounding small cities like overland park etc. host many mid amerrica server farms and net startups
It really fits the profile google wanted to test, can bringing ubiquious ultra-high speed internet to an older otherwise un techie town magically transform it to a 21st century meca/powerhouse in the information economy?
i.e. Is connectivty, alone, the catalyst America needs?
If not what else does it need?
the trouble is the answers are years off, and it's not quite as simple as concieved. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: YEP! Backbone fiber has nothing to do with FTTH. Backbone fiber cable goes for miles with out any cuts or connectors. | |
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3 | Re: YEP! I understand that, what I was saying is that the area around KC is not a technology wasteland that some portray it to be.
Having all the core resources close by, made KC proper (both of them) the perfect blank slate for this experiment. | |
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Granite City, IL
kudos:78 | they didn't buy the right congressional critter and local government critters. Sucks to be them! Those city inspectors are not cheap ya know! | |
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| Google Gigabit delay possible. When we built the Panama Canal, we had delays. The John Hancock building in Chicago was delayed. Big projects can get delayed when undertaken by those new to the business area they are branching out to. Unlike the other failed Google projects, this one would be seen and understood to be a failure by the general public. The other failed projects were technical dreams that were watched by the geeks and nerds of the IT industry. The general public had little idea the projects even existed. Google Gigabit was a nationwide call to action to dream big. Failure will tactically and strategically hurt Google. Dashing the hopes, for better internet service, of a community of 500,000 families is not a good PR move. Dashing the hopes of your researchers for a large scale Gigabit experimental test network, is not good for employee morale. They may have quit projects before, but this is too important to them to be tossed aside. They will get the entire fiber optic network built and operational. I do think, as they have hinted at, that the network may not be operated above a half of a Gigabit symmetrical during its first years of operation. That is what the announcement may be. It takes a lot of stuff to have every home, business, and government building in Kansas City connected at 1,000Mbps symmetrical. Cutting that in half may be a more realistic in the first years. | |
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| | KC fiber rollout is already significant I'm in KC and am also skeptical if Google can fully pull this off but they have laid down A LOT of fiber. They've contracted to Atlantic Engineering and many are seeing their trucks all over the city actually stringing fiber through the manholes. I see them about every other day at different intersections through Midtown KC - with giant roll of fiber. Two months ago they've reported over 100 miles strung, is likely quite a bit more than that by now.
Even if Google doesn't manage the network in the end, KC is getting a _major_ infrastructure upgrade. | |
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Salt Lake City, UT | Fiber to the home for the win! 
Having cheap FTTH is the only way to go...I can't ever see going back to any of the older/slower incumbents for internet service. 1 Gbps fiber connection will be insane!  | |
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| | | Re: Fiber to the home for the win! No way !!!! Utopia was a failure , these are faked !!!
Muni for the win ! | |
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| | | I bet the online gamers are in heaven with a ping of 2ms. | |
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join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX | Re: Fiber to the home for the win! Fiber will improve your ping, but only about 5-10 ms | |
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| | | Just curious, how much do you pay for this connection and where is it located? I know slc, but in a residence or a business? | |
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join:2003-07-28
Salt Lake City, UT | Re: Fiber to the home for the win! said by tim tim tim:Just curious, how much do you pay for this connection and where is it located? I know slc, but in a residence or a business?
Its fiber optic connection installed in my home into a AT-iMG606BD FTTH gateway (modem). My ISP is XMission which cost $45/month for 100Mbps/100Mbps service. | |
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| Re: Fiber to the home for the win! Download increased, upload about the same on the speedtest. The upload would be slightly disappointing, being about 20% lower than advertised. I would think they could hold it to within 10% of the advertised upload speed, being an all fiber network. I wonder if the lower speeds are the result of all those college student uploads and cloud work on their UTOPIA connected campuses and residences.
Oh well, maybe one day Georgia will become enlightened and do something similar. Enjoy your service. | |
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| | this stuff is hard running wires/fiber takes time, as does picking equipment vendors and doing all the hard stuff like billing systems and support systems. Running a retail network is a lot harder that connecting their data centers to the internet.
And if they want to launch an IPTV platform on top of that, the problem becomes even harder - look how long it took Verizon and ATT to launch their services.
Buying Moto does provide access to a lot of expertise, if they choose to listen. The problem with being the smartest people in the room is that you can still be wrong in an approach.
They will get this to work, but it takes time to get it right. | |
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| | | Re: this stuff is hard Google already has their support system in palce: help.google.com the best support system EVER created by them
Buying Moto is moot for them; especially since they went to offload their STB division and other resources that Moto has.
Google just bought off more than they can chew and it will go away- the same as their Open Wireless Network did. And their plans to make the Nexus Unlocked phones the best thing ever to make waves in the wireless industry. | |
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| | Overhyped by nerds Just like they thought that Android phones were going to be free with no contract and no monthly payments, All you had to do was view ads | |
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El Paso, TX | Re: Overhyped by nerds It's still coming. Anyone somehow shocked by these delays shouldn't be. | |
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| | | | Re: Overhyped by nerds and you must not have seen that when Google doesn't get their way or it becomes a money project- they run. If they can't make $$$ they don't wait it. And this isn't making any $$$. | |
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| WTF?! If Verizon can raise speed tiers before Google can launch 1gbit FTTH then it's a strike against google's rep... the deadline is ~June 18..
push it back and risk losing a good reputation for acutally following through on promises...
initial launches of Android had to be pushed back due to debugging of adobe flash.. another fiasco like this and we can officially say Google is the new Microsoft... screwing things up with customers as guinea pigs.. | |
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| Re: WTF?! Is Verizon FiOS offered in Kansas City, MO or Kansas City, KS? My research showed Time Warner and Century Link.
I doubt Google would choose Kansas City KS for the Google Gigabit project if Verizon FiOS was offered there. The local cable companies have vowed to deploy fully capable DOCSIS 3.0 systems to compete with the Gigabit Project. At best that would get them 300Mbps download and 100Mbps upload using a bonded 8 channel downstream/4 channel upstream modem that is readily available. Not exactly equal to 1000Mbps download/1000Mbps upload FTTH. | |
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| | | | Re: WTF?! kansas city Mo has AT&T time Warner cable. and century link in Harrisionville MO. I lived there before I moved here. | |
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| Re: WTF?! 100/100 service would seem to go against the research purpose of the project, which was to see what could be done if an entire community had gigabit connections. I see them offering the gigabit service at a very low cost, but the video and phone offerings costing more than the cable competitors. But in reality a free 100/100 connection to an average household that cannot afford the 1000/1000 service should be enough to test internet based community projects, involvement, cloud services, and life enrichment. LUS Fiber offers a 100/100 intranet service for all subscribers, without regard to your internet speed tier. They have reported big increases in work at home opportunities that used to require workers to drive to work. The medical field in LUS territory seems to be benefiting from fast transfer of high resolution medical imaging. So 100/100 can probably be useful for Google's research. | |
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| | Delayed, but will come eventually Not really surprised. Although i'm not much of a fan of google, i fully expect them to launch within the next year to a limited porton of KC. Delays with a project this size should be expected.
As to whether it will successful... who knows
I think google will underestimate the level of competition that they'll get from cable and might need a bailout of some sort to continue service at a profitable level. | |
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| | upward... amazes me how many haters are out there no matter what the issue may be. people seem to be so negative these days. I personally like Google and the innovation they are bringing to the table. Do I hate them for making a fortune? not really. And as far a privacy being dead, this is unfortunately is the world we are now living in, but I would be less concerned about Google Targeted advertising, and MUCH more concerned about the 900+ million people that feel it is fine to post every intricate detail of their "private?" lives on FaceBook, Twitter, LinkedIN, etc, etc, etc. That doesnt even require any effort for third parties to datamine their info. easy as pie. and google does not own them...so just keeping perspective.
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