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CNET tosses about a rumor...
(old news - 09:19AM Monday Jan 17 2005)
tags: Fiber · business
CNET points to a mysterious job posting by Google that says the company is looking for someone "with experience in...(i)dentification, selection, and negotiation of dark (unlit, unused) fiber contracts both in metropolitan areas." Is Google getting into the telecom business? Since they went public, there's been ample speculation about them getting into everything from browsers to Instant Messaging; but fiber optic connectivity seems a reach.

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Jafo232
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Hmm

Foogle anyone? Or would that compete with their Froogle brandname?

It will be interesting to see if anything comes up outta this.

fiosman

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Re: Hmm

I would prefer Goobre

kba4

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thatd be awesome

...to see a company like Google come from nowhere and become the next AOL, only this time they do it right. connect all major cities with fiber! AOL will still call 128Kbps broadband and Google will surely kick their ass if they tried, the only thing needed is some major capital.
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Re: thatd be awesome

said by kba4 See Profile:

...to see a company like Google come from nowhere and become the next AOL, only this time they do it right.
haha...don't count on it....once a company goes public greed drives the business and google is going to end up just like aol if they continue this way.

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Re: thatd be awesome

said by rideboarder See Profile:

said by kba4 See Profile:


...to see a company like Google come from nowhere and become the next AOL, only this time they do it right.
haha...don't count on it....once a company goes public greed drives the business and google is going to end up just like aol if they continue this way.
agreed

rob_in_chatt
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Google

o boy whats next? Ebay broadband?
MWR2NY

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Re: Google

If the price is right I would switch to any broadband supplier. The competition in that industry would be great news. Look at what competition has done to the automotive industry.

rob_in_chatt
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Re: Google

yeah made them make more junk
hottboiinnc
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Actually eBay has an Internet service with a partnership with Earthlink. Its Planet eBay powered by Earthlink. The link is on the bottom of eBay front page.
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localization

What's so shocking about Google wanting dark fiber? Getting large circuits can sometimes take a long time. It's often easier to get dark fiber then light it up when needed. It's not just ISPs who buy circuits.
markopoleo

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If you want real broadband, can't be just telcom

you need major players to deploy stuff, you actually think you will have connections like Japan/s korea if you just leave it up to the bells and cable companies? ha you kid yourself!

Go google if they are considering it. hehe

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Re: If you want real broadband, can't be just telc

said by markopoleo See Profile:

...you actually think you will have connections like Japan/s korea if you just leave it up to the bells and cable companies? ha you kid yourself!

Go google if they are considering it. hehe
Now we must pay homage to Verizon and FIOS (it's real you know). To-few corporate bravehearts out there.
markopoleo

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Re: If you want real broadband, can't be just telc

Yah, at FIOS rate they will have it done for someone elses kids, kids. go them. :P

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speculate

maybe google's just lookin to lease some serious bandwidth for private datacenters or something having to do with content distrubution.
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koitsu
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Re: speculate

All this speculation is crazy. More than likely (since I know a couple people who have worked and still work at Google), it's this:

During Google's content pulls (I forget the term they use for it), i.e. indexing the 'net, they use an INCREDIBLE amount of bandwidth. Historically, these pulls have been done at specific hours, and from specific datacentres -- done solely for finances.

Google has probably concluded the same thing everyone in the industry has: bandwidth is EXPENSIVE. It's cheaper, transit-wise, to turn up your own fibre and not have to worry about backbone providers screwing you over bandwidth costs.

Sooner or later, the home broadband industry is going to go through this exact same phenomenon: that 6mbit/s cable modem isn't going to amount to jack squat when there aren't any customers in co-los who can push traffic that fast. Due to the OUTRAGEOUS bandwidth costs, not everyone can afford a DS3 (45mbit) worth of traffic (especially when the going rate is around US$300+ for 512kbit), which is why more and more sites are starting to rate-limit throughput.
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AJ023

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Re: speculate

Reminds me of the Gbrowser speculation.

I took a look at the REAL job posting on Yahoo and that posting was taken so out of context its not even funny.
Your 100% right. Google is a company that needs to reduce bandwidth fees. However having a global backbone with a company like google can possibly lead to other advantages as well down the road. But for google to be the equivalent of a backbone provider or telco, absolutely not.

With that being said, I do think eventually google will partner with broadband providers much like Yahoo is doing with Verizon and SBC now for the last mile.
skylabpc

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I think you are getting your bandwidth pricing from 1997. $300 for 512k? No. More like $70 all the way down to $20 per Mb/s in most datacenters. And a DS3 is nothing nowdays.
timoteo21

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Re: speculate

Hmm, I'm paying $300 per mbps, about twice what you say I should be paying. This is for an on-demand burstable connection, i.e., charges are based on 95th percentile peak load. Sounds like I should be shopping around. Or, perhaps the $140/mbps is based on prior committment? Can you point me to who is offering that?

koitsu
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Sorry, ain't the case. Hurricane Electric doesn't list co-lo prices on their page, you have to request a quote.

US$300 includes 7U of rack space, which is obviously a pre-requisite. Bandwidth increments go up by about 2x in US$100 increments, but still, the base charge is US$200 for 7U and 256kbit.

Regardless, bandwidth is still expensive. No one pays per megabit or megabyte, because all it takes is some moronic cable modem user leeching an entire site with wget and you're paying US$20000 ;P
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So far

I've been happy with google. I don't mind them getting (if that is what they want to do) into the Broadband provider business.

I would really like to see where this goes. If anybody has any more information please let me know.
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lestat99

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Re: So far

Did anyone ever consider that Google may just need someone with this experience for internal purposes? I could easily see them needing this expertise if they are planning on regional data centers to house their service.

Most of the big investment banks also have fiber experts in house but it doesn't mean that Citibank is going into the telecom business.

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Re: So far

True true...

jwsmiths4
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But if they did - could you imagine those commercials? haha! I love their credit protection commercials.
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Re: So far

Google has been doing things right so far with their e-mail service and their website. I would not mind seeing them go into fiber broadband. Seems they have more of a chance of getting it done than verizon :\
MalakoPlus

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Re: So far

Yes everything except for glaring security holes and allowing virus to spread...

I am curious; why can Google do no wrong yet everything MS does is super evil?

exocet_cm
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Re: So far

Maybe cause google doesn't have an operating system for everybody to poke fun at...?
hottboiinnc
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Re: So far

don't give them any ideas.

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said by exocet_cm See Profile:

I've been happy with google.
Same here. Whenever I input a search term I get results immediately. And when I say immediately, I mean as soon as I am unclicked, I have a results page. My connection is 1500/384...

Can't comment on applicability of results to my search; But the searches normally take less time than it takes for me to blink.

If Google needs faster access for their operations, then the shareholders will pay. But if that makes Google more popular, they will profit. A new public company has many new horizons and possibilities. I am thinking of becoming an investor myself...
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maybe they are looking to setup regional search servers that will need fiber for a connection.
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SpitefulCrow
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Overspeculation...

People are blowing this out of proportion. In all likelihood, Google wants to link its datacenters by lighting its own fiber instead of paying ISPs a ridiculous amount of money. As was said on Slashdot, it's probably so they can sync data across regional datacenters more quickly.
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Re: Overspeculation...

I'll second that. Bandwidth is expensive, but overpriced...similar to how cable companies arrange their pricing. Google is making a wise move to getting their own pipes rather than paying someone.

Considering approximately 80% of fiber is the US is dark, why not?
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GlenQuagmire
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World Overlord

I think this is Google's attempt to take over the world.

Phoenix__1

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Google ISP?

Google ISP?

jose3030
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I'm scared.

Dunno why.
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