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join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | HAHAHAHA They've swallowed the babyBell's stories hook line and sinker! | |
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Corvus
Flaming Tards Since 2003
Premium,VIP
join:2003-11-26
1 edit | Re: HAHAHAHA said by sbrook  :They've swallowed the babyBell's stories hook line and sinker! I agree, latest very optimistic numbers about fiber penetration were stating a 10% for US in 2008...
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join:2001-05-16
Pittsburgh, PA
| Re: HAHAHAHA said by Corvus : said by sbrook :They've swallowed the babyBell's stories hook line and sinker! I agree, latest very optimistic numbers about fiber penetration were statin a 10% for US in 2008... The only penetration I get is from verizon for the outrages bill I get from them every month. | |
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs:
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| Re: HAHAHAHA Well verizon is a telco and is rolling out fiber like a champ. Maybe you should take the word telco out and basically say the companies names who are not rolling it.
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join:2001-02-22
Shohola, PA
| Re: HAHAHAHA That's nice, but what the hell can I use it for?
I've got customers in areas that are exclusively FTTH and guess what? No broadband from the telco! There is currently NO AVAILABLE CONSUMER BROADBAND INTERNET offered by Verizon for FTTH customers.
So WHAT IS THE POINT? FTTH gives the customer NOTHING. Telcos don't offer any consumer services over FTTH other than voice. The people living in these areas would have been better off if Verizon had run a single pair of copper to their house, for all the good fiber-optic is doing them. So instead of wonderful Internet via f-o, these customers have to go with Cable Internet.
Ooo! But my local phone calls are crystal clear! | |
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs:
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·Comcast Formerly ..
| Re: HAHAHAHA Last time I checked FIOS was an internet service. Since you obviously are talking about something else, maybe you can explain to us about them folks in Keller texas and other area's that are getting FIOS. Apparently as far as your concerned it's not there , wow Verizon really has people fooled.
Because you or people you know can't get the service means jack.
BTW Verizon offers tv over the fiber also.
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IGGY
No Guru Just Here To Help
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-30
Chatham, IL
1 edit | Um wasn't this being said years ago? Didn't we hear something like this in 1999 and before? So how far away is this actual 10 years. Are we working in dog years, human years or some other type of calendar year that most of us aren't aware of? Isn't Google going to give us all our dream ISP?:D
"Somebody tell me when will fiber come to MN"
There is tons of it already there. Just no one has made it go live and put it to use. | |
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Iridium
Premium
join:2003-04-02
Los Angeles, CA | They take 4 weeks to set up DSL, imagine the wait for fiber. | |
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soundslike
@optonline.net
| sounds like those guys from crank yankers are at it again, if you believe that, than there will be no priated copies of software by 2010, NOT!!!!!
Yes, fiber is coming, but so is WWIII, terrorist plots, the revenge of John Ashcroft, rebirth of Johnny Carson, etc, etc, etc
Early evidence is just in about the FIOS deployment in NY metro, its officially behind schedule (ok, they can blame it on snow, but sheesh) when June, July and September come around, the excuse will be over and there will be alot of angfy, disappointed people, and I hope that this starts a MUNI fiber project for NY metro area BIGTIME!!!! | |
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WaxPhoto
I AM SAM
Premium
join:2004-04-08
Roanoke, IN | Not that it means anything... But my town is getting it. Woohoo. Now if we can just get Verizon to stop pushing IHB 1148. | |
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MarkyD
Premium
join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs: | Now THAT is funny!! Someone roll me up some of whatever they're having  | |
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calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA
| Re: Now THAT is funny!! Roll me up some money, too....
Pike & Fischer publish a bunch of rather expensive reports and newsletters on various industry segments, most or all of which relate to the FCC.
Of course, their biggest base of subscribers are the players with lots of money to spend on multiple subscriptions--so is it any wonder they parrot the ILEC line?
calvoiper
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sharksfan3
Premium
join:2004-02-16
Poughkeepsie, NY | Memories "The other half of you will have to make due with that 300 baud Hayes compatible dial-up connection a little bit longer."
9600 baud at one time was super fast! | |
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| forrestin
Premium
join:2004-02-07
Clinton, IN | Re: Memories We will never see fiber. SBC doesn't even try on getting DSL to our home. We are using a 32.6 Kb dial-up for now. | |
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kikbot
Premium
join:2004-12-17
Tampa, FL | Verizon Tampa running fiber I know that Verizon in Tampa is running fiber to all of the homes in the area. I have several friends who already have the fiber run to their door. I haven't been so lucky : ( | |
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Derch
Premium
join:2004-10-16
Tulsa, OK | Don't Believe It! I'm sorry, but I think all of this is a bunch of BS. Want proof, look at Verizon and how they lied to Pennsylvania. You have a better chance of wining the lotto then getting the truth from a baby bell. | |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey | Re: Don't Believe It! the cableco will move faster, i dont care about medium, i want bandwidth. Whether its coax or fiber. | |
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raIDERspeed
join:2002-07-26
Soledad, CA | OK Make it more like 3010 for here.... | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
1 edit | Re: OK my area will never see fiber unless a private company runs it. we have nothing here. Super K-Mart and Wal-mart are the largest stores here. SBC the telco won't give us fiber cause we don't fit in there ROI and TWC just gives us crappy cable.
The richest person in the area is a Quixtar partner and most likely has a T1 if not higher to his mini-white house.
Edit: spelling. | |
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Pz_
join:2001-03-31
Brownsburg, IN
clubs: | Re: OK I think that those are the biggest stores in a lot of places. Those things are monstrous! | |
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bistro777
Donuts-Is There Anything They Can't Do?
Premium
join:2002-02-07
Englewood, CO
| Dennis Hayes...remember him?
Hayes 300 Smartmodem |
From a 1987 article in the local paper: "The same phenomenon is beginning to show up in a heightened interest in 9600 baud. Where will it end? Some experts say 9600 is the highest baud rate that even good quality phone lines can support. But the researchers who pushed the highest baud rates from 300 to 1200 and then to 2400 and now to 9600 know that the experts were wrong before, and even now some of them are talking of 38,400-baud modems within a decade." | |
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Kompressor
Premium
join:2002-02-12
Huntington Beach, CA | Re: Dennis Hayes...remember him? Those were the days.  | |
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Unreal111
join:2004-01-21
Minneapolis, MN | What about caps Ok I am still confused, whats the difference between cable internet and fiber internet beside the wires.
By 2010 they are going to put caps on.
Somebody tell me when will fiber come to MN | |
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toadlife
Premium
join:2004-05-03
Lemoore, CA
 ·AT&T Yahoo
| Re: What about caps said by Unreal111 :Ok I am still confused, whats the difference between cable internet and fiber internet beside the wires. Cable has a bandwidth limit of about 10Mb/sec limit**
**or is it 20-30?
Fiber has a theorectical limit of around 100 terabits/sec
Thats 100,000,000 (One hundred million) Mb
So assuming coax's limit is 10 Mb/sec, you would need 10,000,000 Coaxial cables to transmit the same amount of data that a single stand of fiber can.
Fiber also can transmit data over much longer distances without the use of repeaters than coaxial cable. You can transmit a signal over a few miles of fiber without the need of any repeaters, and without any signal degredation. | |
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The Answer Guy
@uu.net
| Re: What about caps Fiber can transmit over a "few" miles without the need for repeaters. I believe there is a test currently going on to run a fiber signal from the West coast to the East coast without using a single repeater. This is by using amplifiers instead of repeaters which stops the useless conversion of the light signal to electrical just to put it back to light. This will help ping times from coast to coast when it is actually used.
On the other hand, cost says that the system you will see to your homes will run in the 8-12 mile range. Verizon currently uses equipment between most offices that reach to around 60-70 miles without repeaters. | |
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toadlife
Premium
join:2004-05-03
Lemoore, CA
·AT&T Yahoo
| Re: What about caps said by The Answer Guy:
Fiber can transmit over a "few" miles without the need for repeaters. I believe there is a test currently going on to run a fiber signal from the West coast to the East coast without using a single repeater. This is by using amplifiers instead of repeaters which stops the useless conversion of the light signal to electrical just to put it back to light. This will help ping times from coast to coast when it is actually used.
On the other hand, cost says that the system you will see to your homes will run in the 8-12 mile range. Verizon currently uses equipment between most offices that reach to around 60-70 miles without repeaters.
I did not know that. My only experience with cable is from building to building at work. All the more reason that Cable internet providers will eventually be made irrelevant. | |
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join:2003-05-25
Woodbridge, ON
| said by The Answer Guy:
I believe there is a test currently going on to run a fiber signal from the West coast to the East coast without using a single repeater. This is by using amplifiers instead of repeaters which stops the useless conversion of the light signal to electrical just to put it back to light. How the hell do you amplify light? Use the mega death ray laser?  :p | |
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mrchris
We don't miss you Bush
Premium
join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY | blah blah blah blah.. All talk and hardly any action....when I _see_ fiber being deployed here in N. Babylon, then I'll believe it...
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Thaler
Premium
join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA | Suuuure.... And let me know when Elvis gets here? | |
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aSic
application specific
Premium
join:2001-05-17
Wakulla, FL
clubs:
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Being less than 4000ft away, I cant even get DSL yet.. I doubt fibre will arrive within 20 years.
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antdude
A Ninja Ant
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-25
1 edit | Give me fiber! I need some. | |
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join:2004-07-22
Hudson, FL | Re: Give me fiber! Have a bran muffin. That's the only way you're going to get any. | |
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antdude
A Ninja Ant
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-25
| Re: Give me fiber! said by j0nnyb1aze :Have a bran muffin. That's the only way you're going to get any. Meh! I meant digitally with data. | |
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Miah1
join:2004-10-15
Belton, TX
| I think it was called.,.. The American telcos are currently a joke, wasnt it something called Extendaline that SBC claimed to have 100% DSL coverage with? But low and behold you call SBC and ask them about it, and their like wtf are you talking about? I cant get cable or dsl and I dont live that far out of the city... They cant even get DSL done much less dream of getting 50% of homes with fiber. I am expecting BPL to work before that happens. | |
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wilbilt
Pronto Resurrected
Premium
join:2004-01-11
Oroville, CA
| Re: I think it was called.,.. SBC had something called "Project Pronto" that was supposed to upgrade all of the RTs to DSL capability. Never happened. Now they don't even remember what that was if you ask.
They are busy upgrading equipment in "the city" so that customers can get higher speeds and pay more for it.
They don't care at all about the people that are 20 miles from the CO and never will. We are lucky to have working voice lines.
Fiber? I doubt I'll see it in my lifetime.
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montee4
Premium
join:2004-02-15
Chicago, IL | Stats, Stats, Stats Unless it is my house getting the fiber, I could care less about baseless predictions. Sorry - I am just mad since I can't even get DSL. | |
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mitska
join:2001-12-25
Sarasota, FL | fiber schmiber all this fiber talk makes me want to go to the bathroom | |
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alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
|  Now you need Fiber!
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Knapp
Premium
join:2004-02-14
San Luis Obispo, CA | Re: Now you need Fiber! The lack of broadband connection almost makes me want to get away from computers and get interested in something else like the medical industry. If I didn't have broadband at work that I could use I probably would. | |
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flushls
join:2004-11-02
Joyce, WA
| 50% ??? I live in QWORST country we don't even have 50% dsl Penetration. The only penetration here is in porn.
Flushls that godamn clown.
When I was a teenager
Pot was all the rage then maybe if you where hardcore LSD.
Now it is DSL and if you are a loser POTS.
Smiles every one Smiles....... | |
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EuroBloke
@bulldogdsl.com | Man USA so far behind I am surprised / shocked to see the state of US BB atm... most of Europe are on ADSL2+ and speed upto 24MBs.. im not even going to mention Asia...
Riot!! and get your speeds dudes!! | |
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cabler0x0r
@shawcable.net
| Re: Man USA so far behind Here in Canada it is pretty damn good. On the west coast, Shaw cable and Telus ADSL give pretty good prices. $35-45 a month (depends if you buy your broadband modem), 1.5 megabits with Telus, 3 megabits with Shaw (5 Mbps if you get the Extreme package). All in all, we are spoiled! I shudder at ever thinking of going back to dial-up.  | |
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lyls
@tele.dk | and what countries is that? like in the states some small areas have fast speeds the only exception is countries like sweden and holland | |
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TexasGuy
49 States And Texas
Premium
join:2002-12-02
Houston, TX
| Why fiber? Why fiber? It is like people think if fiber comes then they will be able to get so much speed...
I don't believe so. It is like cable now. The cable at my house can probably reach 40Mbs but I am offered only 5Mbs. Sure, you can have a bit more for $$$.
Same will be with fiber. You will have fiber but your speed will be limited by your budget.
What is the sense of having fiber if you also will be getting only a fraction of what fiber offers? Better ping?
I think that broadband heaven can be given to me if they would uncap my cable modem. No need to wait for fiber. It will be the same "shit."
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| t10
join:2003-05-25
Woodbridge, ON
| Re: Why fiber? said by TexasGuy :Why fiber? It is like people think if fiber comes then they will be able to get so much speed... I don't believe so. It is like cable now. The cable at my house can probably reach 40Mbs but I am offered only 5Mbs. Sure, you can have a bit more for $$$. Same will be with fiber. You will have fiber but your speed will be limited by your budget. What is the sense of having fiber if you also will be getting only a fraction of what fiber offers? Better ping? I think that broadband heaven can be given to me if they would uncap my cable modem. No need to wait for fiber. It will be the same "shit." They cant uncap your cable modem, since the ~40 megs down that you get is for the ENTIRE node, not dedicated to you. If you uncap it, one kid on a leeching spree will bring down the entire node, and that could be up to ~1000 people.
And upstream? HA!
With fiber you can get symmetry, like 10down/10up. Which is what most of us want now.
When FTTH rolls out in 2198, obviously telcos will not give you maximum speed at the begining. They will gradually ramp it up at a premium, to squeeze some extra $$ out of you.
Which is fine, but hopefully competition will force them to ramp up the speeds fairly hasty. | |
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Googled
Yay, I have FIOS
join:2001-08-13
Orchard Park, NY
 ·VoicePulse
| Re: Why fiber? said by t10 :hopefully competition will force them to ramp up the speeds fairly hasty. Hopefully. Otherwise it will only be the prices that ramp up in a fairly hasty manner.
In other news. Analysts project that by 2010 75% of those houses that don't currently have broadband, still won't have broadband. | |
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| prawna7
join:2004-02-12
Los Angeles, CA
| Agreed.
They will be throttling that "shit." Just look at the speeds for Verizon's FIOS:
»www22.verizon.com/fiosforhome/ch···kage.asp
Only up to 30mbps is offered when that strand of fiber is capable of so much more. I mean someone a few posts up stated that fiber can carry a few terabytes per sec.
I think that we will probably see other technologies such as ADSL2 before fiber gets to our homes (each FTTH install costs them around $1000). | |
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