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Enjoy it while it lasts, Verizon and AT&T. Insatiable greed is going to make you some very sad investors sooner rather than later.
What advantages do postpaid plans offer anymore? | |
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 |  LinklistPremium join:2002-03-03 Longport, NJ kudos:5 | Re: Just the Beginning said by osravens:http://www.bgr.com/2012/06/15/wireless-contracts-decline-prepaid-services-ris/#utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheBoyGeniusReport+%28BGR+|+Boy+Genius+Report%29
Enjoy it while it lasts, Verizon and AT&T. Insatiable greed is going to make you some very sad investors sooner rather than later.
What advantages do postpaid plans offer anymore? If their postpaid plans lose more & more subscribers, they will get in to the prepaid mkt big time and drive out the pretenders. And most independent prepaid vendors buy wholesale from the major postpaid vendors. They can be squeezed out at anytime by having to pay higher prices to the big boys for their wholesale contracts. Remember, no one at all regulates those wholesale contracts. | |
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 |  |  rradina join:2000-08-08 Chesterfield, MO | Re: Just the Beginning said by Linklist:... Remember, no one at all regulates those wholesale contracts. They will if increased wholesale costs squeeze competitors out of business. However, that will never happen because MVNOs add horses to the race schedule. But at the post, it's two thoroughbreds, two donkeys and an albino WiMax goat. | |
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 |  |  Sammer join:2005-12-22 Canonsburg, PA | said by Linklist:If their postpaid plans lose more & more subscribers, they will get in to the prepaid mkt big time and drive out the pretenders. Are you calling Sprint a pretender? | |
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 |  IowaCowboyWant to go back to IowaPremium join:2010-10-16 Springfield, MA | I still prefer postpaid and I get mine through a mainline provider (Verizon). MVNOs have been known to fail and they take your prepaid balance with them and you don't know until you make a call and you get an error message. | |
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 rradina join:2000-08-08 Chesterfield, MO | FCC Low Cost Converter Boxes During the DTV transition, didn't the government already subsidize the cost of getting digital tuner boxes for their analog TVs?
Don't these boxes have ATSC tuners capable of receiving unscrambled DTV streams? If so, why the wait and why are we tyring to give everyone another box on the tax-payer's dime? | |
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 |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | Re: FCC Low Cost Converter Boxes said by rradina:During the DTV transition, didn't the government already subsidize the cost of getting digital tuner boxes for their analog TVs?
Don't these boxes have ATSC tuners capable of receiving unscrambled DTV streams? If so, why the wait and why are we tyring to give everyone another box on the tax-payer's dime? They're talking about DTAs for analog CABLE users. And no one said tax payer $$ would be used. | |
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 |  |  rradina join:2000-08-08 Chesterfield, MO | Re: FCC Low Cost Converter Boxes Let me try again -- do folks need another box because the original boxes that were subsidized by the government only contain ATSC tuners and not QAM tuners?
Regarding who pays for them, the article doesn't specify but this verbiage makes me nervous:
Now the US regulator, the FCC, is circulating a proposal that would distribute low-cost converter boxes to allow analogue customers to continue to view TV station signals, thus relieving MSOs of the burden of carrying them. | |
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 |  |  |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | Re: FCC Low Cost Converter Boxes said by rradina:Let me try again -- do folks need another box because the original boxes that were subsidized by the government only contain ATSC tuners and not QAM tuners?
There is no "another". The converter boxes that they gave out 3 years ago were for OTA TV. This is for cable which uses QAM. You're assuming these will be the same people getting boxes in certainly won't be the case. People who got the OTA boxes weren't interested in cable. If they were they wouldn't need OTA boxes. One program has nothing to do with the other.
I'm not sure why you'd be nervous since the money wouldn't be coming from you anyways. | |
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 |  |  |  |  rradina join:2000-08-08 Chesterfield, MO | Re: FCC Low Cost Converter Boxes True, I am assuming it's the same people and that's not a good assumption. Even though I have cable, I applied for a card, received one and bought a box for an old 25" CRT. When the cable is out due to weather, I use that old TV to get local news.
The money has to come from either cable companies or tax dollars. Since I'm a cable subscriber and a tax payer, why shouldn't I be concerned about how this is funded? | |
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 MadtownPremium join:2008-04-26 Madera, CA | Porn Trolls. When was the last time you've seen a porn film that was worthy of 5 stars? Thank you my point exactly | |
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 |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | Re: Porn Trolls. said by Madtown:When was the last time you've seen a porn film that was worthy of 5 stars? Thank you my point exactly That doesn't give anyone the right to illegally download it. if you watched it you must of got some enjoyment out f it. | |
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 |  |  | | Re: Porn Trolls. Just like you don't have the right to use that Avatar.
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| Re: Porn Trolls. I'm not surprised you have such asinine arguments. But sorry to say, using an avatar falls under fair use:
quote: Section 107 of the Copyright Act states:
the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.
In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall includethe purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
the nature of the copyrighted work; the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
I know how much you love to defend piracy, but when talking, have a clue about what you talk about first okay? | |
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 |  |  |  |  4 edits | Re: Porn Trolls. It is a trademark. ( see the tiny TM?)
Fair use does not apply to trademarks. They are not the same as copyrights (obviously) and have distinct laws about usage.
Namely, in order to label something with a TM you must seek permission.
A label when concerned with trademarks generally constitutes anything except a news reference.
Furthermore, trademarks go further than copyrights in another aspect as well. They can even protect the "likeness" of a logo to prevent others from using a similar logo.
BTW, you can trademark your own Avatar and prevent others from using it in the US. | |
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 |  |  |  |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | said by Metatron2008:I'm not surprised you have such asinine arguments. But sorry to say, using an avatar falls under fair use:
quote: Section 107 of the Copyright Act states:
the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.
In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall includethe purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
the nature of the copyrighted work; the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
I know how much you love to defend piracy, but when talking, have a clue about what you talk about first okay? And his name is DataRiker. 2 star Trek characters which I'm pretty sure is protected by copyright. So isn't he violating his own logic? | |
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 |  |  |  |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK | Trademark. You cannot use trademarks. There is no fair use for trademarks.
quote: but when talking, have a clue about what you talk about first okay?
Ooops. Ouch. Self ownage. -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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| Re: Porn Trolls. said by KrK:Trademark. You cannot use trademarks. There is no fair use for trademarks.
quote: but when talking, have a clue about what you talk about first okay?
Ooops. Ouch. Self ownage. LOL, do a quick search for fair use trademarks on google... Or just look at the links I nicely provided above. | |
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| Re: Porn Trolls. Now once again, in case you children are too blind to read, fair use is a defense in a trademark. Furthermore, trademarks themselves are made to avoid confusion in products sold. BF69 isn't selling any product, so... I dunno what you guys are trying to do except make fools out of yourselves. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: Porn Trolls. I even bolded where fair use is used in trademarks, and even gave you guys a TLDR version on wikipedia. What more can you ask for? Besides not looking dumb.. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  4 edits | Re: Porn Trolls. In your desperate attempt to save face you passed up the biggest element of trademarks, the very reason they exist. Implied consent. To make sure you don't associate your work or opinions with someone's logo.
Also have to point out your bold section is not even close to applying. This is no where even close to its primary intended use ( Really? labeling an opinionated work????)
Desperate attempts to save face get annoying really fast. | |
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| Re: Porn Trolls. said by DataRiker:In your desperate attempt to save face you passed up the biggest element of trademarks, the very reason they exist. Implied consent. To make sure you don't associate your work or opinions with someone's logo.
Also have to point out your bold section is not even close to applying. This is no where even close to its primary intended use ( Really? labeling an opinionated work????)
Desperate attempts to save face get annoying really fast. The bolded part was for your parrot Krk who was going on about trademarks not having a fair use.
And as far as trademark infringement, again, no, read that link from harvard edu again. Trademark infringement is:
quote: 7. What constitutes trademark infringement?
If a party owns the rights to a particular trademark, that party can sue subsequent parties for trademark infringement. 15 U.S.C. �� 1114, 1125. The standard is "likelihood of confusion." To be more specific, the use of a trademark in connection with the sale of a good constitutes infringement if it is likely to cause consumer confusion as to the source of those goods or as to the sponsorship or approval of such goods. In deciding whether consumers are likely to be confused, the courts will typically look to a number of factors, including: (1) the strength of the mark; (2) the proximity of the goods; (3) the similarity of the marks; (4) evidence of actual confusion; (5) the similarity of marketing channels used; (6) the degree of caution exercised by the typical purchaser; (7) the defendant's intent. Polaroid Corp. v. Polarad Elect. Corp., 287 F.2d 492 (2d Cir.), cert. denied, 368 U.S. 820 (1961).
Nobody is going to be getting confused about some guy having a trademarked logo on his avatar as being affiliated with or having anything to do with that brand itself. Contact a lawyer and ask.
But something tells me you won't. Something tells me you'll try to find anything that fits your case while talking about 'desperate attempts to save face' (You know, like you are doing). | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK | Re: Porn Trolls. Uh huh. And irrelevant to the point. I think he may have hit the nail on the head---- you just can't stand to be wrong, so you'll argue endlessly that the point wasn't really the point. -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK | Sorry, you actually made the point, not refuted it. Trademark. | |
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| said by KrK:Sorry, you actually made the point, not refuted it. Trademark. And being datarikers personal parrot doesn't change the law either. The only things trademarks do is protect against brand confusion. It says it right on there! Contact a lawyer if you don't believe me.
The thing about the new kids on the block lawsuit showed that you can have a photocopy of a trademark as long as their is no product confusion. | |
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 |  |  |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | said by DataRiker:Just like you don't have the right to use that Avatar.
Pot meet kettle. Really because if I couldn't use the avatar the mods would have banned it 3 years ago. You really need to look up the definition of copyright infringement. Also if I can't use the avatar you can't use DataRiker because you didn't permission to use the same of 2 star trek characters. | |
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 |  3 edits | The difference is I am and always have been a very publicly pro piracy person ( or anti copyright if you will )
I just feel the need to point out your hypocrisy.
And yes, you don't have the right to use TM'ed logos even for avatars. They do not fall under fair use if they are registered.
TRADE MARKS =! COPYRIGHTS
Namely, any work you present publicly cannot be labeled with a copyrighted logo. Whether it be for academia, opinion, etc.
News organizations generally get around this by referring to a product by name and NOT USING THE COPYRIGHTED LOGO, but there are exemptions for references only ( no opinionated works )
An avatar is considered a "logo" and can even be trademarked as such. | |
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| Re: Porn Trolls. They CAN be trademarked. The difference in can and be trademarked is huge. Plus it would need to be unique and again, not a picture that any person can go to and take a picture of.
Read the law instead of making yourself look like a fool. Saying it repeatedly doesn't make it true. I linked to the actual law, you just cover your ears and scream 'TRADEMARK'! The only hyprocrisy here is yours.
And as far as that pic above goes, I haven't found any evidence online that the picture ITSELF is actually trademarked. The logo is trademarked, but the logo can also be photographed by anybody. Show proof that the picture for the logo is trademarked or GTFO. | |
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 |  |  |  4 edits | Re: Porn Trolls. No offense, anybody who posts copyright law about trademarks has zero credibility.
You were caught red handed BSing.
An easy way to understand trademarks.
OK to do: draw a logo on your jacket
Not ok to do: form your own opinions and label it with a trademarked logo | |
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 |  |  |  |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | Re: Porn Trolls. said by DataRiker:No offense, anybody who posts copyright law about trademarks has zero credibility.
You were caught red handed BSing.
An easy way to understand trademarks.
OK to do: draw a logo on your jacket
Not ok to do: form your own opinions and label it with a trademarked logo Simple test. Complain to the mods here about my avatar on the basis it violates trademark/copyright laws. I'm sure this site has lawyers and they would advise them to not allow anything that violates trademark/copyright laws here. Thus my logo would be removed. If it's not then you are wrong. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: Porn Trolls. said by BF69:Simple test. Complain to the mods here about my avatar on the basis it violates trademark/copyright laws. I don't need to. There is no question to answer. Unless you obtained consent to label your opinions with that trademarked logo your in violation.
Your using the fact that nobody cares as a justification. Interesting given your totally nonsensical "free lunch" rant about copyrights. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | Re: Porn Trolls. said by DataRiker:said by BF69:Simple test. Complain to the mods here about my avatar on the basis it violates trademark/copyright laws. I don't need to. There is no question to answer. Unless you obtained consent to label your opinions with that trademarked logo your in violation. Your using the fact that nobody cares as a justification. Interesting given your totally nonsensical "free lunch" rant about copyrights. So the owners of this site don't care about copyright law? Ok. I hope they see your post and tell you otherwise but I'm 100% sure they do care.
"nonsensical"? Is that the word of the day you learn from readers digest? Anyways my post was hardly "nonsensical". Please answer me and tell me as to why you are entitled to FREE entertainment? | |
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Instead of owning up to not knowing the difference between a copyright and trademark logo you post this.
Are you not embarrassed at posting irrelevant copyright law and chastising me erroneously? | |
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1 edit | Re: Porn Trolls. said by DataRiker:said by Metatron2008:And as far as that pic above goes, I haven't found any evidence online that the picture ITSELF is actually trademarked. The logo is trademarked, but the logo can also be photographed by anybody. Show proof that the picture for the logo is trademarked or GTFO. I just wanted to repeat this so everybody can see how ridiculous it is. Instead of owning up to not knowing the difference between a copyright and trademark logo you post this. Are you not embarrassed at posting irrelevant copyright law and chastising me erroneously? »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use_(···ark_law)
quote: A nonowner may also use a trademark nominativelyâto refer to the actual trademarked product or its source. In addition to protecting product criticism and analysis, United States law actually encourages nominative usage by competitors in the form of comparative advertising.
»cyber.law.harvard.edu/metaschool···n/tm.htm
quote: 10. What defenses are there to trademark infringement or dilution?
Defendants in a trademark infringement or dilution claim can assert basically two types of affirmative defense: fair use or parody. Fair use occurs when a descriptive mark is used in good faith for its primary, rather than secondary, meaning, and no consumer confusion is likely to result. So, for example, a cereal manufacturer may be able to describe its cereal as consisting of "all bran," without infringing upon Kelloggs' rights in the mark "All Bran." Such a use is purely descriptive, and does not invoke the secondary meaning of the mark. Similarly, in one case, a court held that the defendant's use of "fish fry" to describe a batter coating for fish was fair use and did not infringe upon the plaintiff's mark "Fish-Fri." Zatarain's, Inc. v. Oak Grove Smokehouse, Inc., 698 F.2d 786 (5th Cir. 1983). Such uses are privileged because they use the terms only in their purely descriptive sense.
Some courts have recognized a somewhat different, but closely-related, fair-use defense, called nominative use. Nominative use occurs when use of a term is necessary for purposes of identifying another producer's product, not the user's own product. For example, in a recent case, the newspaper USA Today ran a telephone poll, asking its readers to vote for their favorite member of the music group New Kids on the Block. The New Kids on the Block sued USA Today for trademark infringement. The court held that the use of the trademark "New Kids on the Block" was a privileged nominative use because: (1) the group was not readily identifiable without using the mark; (2) USA Today used only so much of the mark as reasonably necessary to identify it; and (3) there was no suggestion of endorsement or sponsorship by the group. The basic idea is that use of a trademark is sometimes necessary to identify and talk about another party's products and services. When the above conditions are met, such a use will be privileged. New Kids on the Block v. News America Publishing, Inc., 971 F.2d 302 (9th Cir. 1992).
Finally, certain parodies of trademarks may be permissible if they are not too directly tied to commercial use. The basic idea here is that artistic and editorial parodies of trademarks serve a valuable critical function, and that this critical function is entitled to some degree of First Amendment protection. The courts have adopted different ways of incorporating such First Amendment interests into the analysis. For example, some courts have applied the general "likelihood of confusion" analysis, using the First Amendment as a factor in the analysis. Other courts have expressly balanced First Amendment considerations against the degree of likely confusion. Still other courts have held that the First Amendment effectively trumps trademark law, under certain circumstances. In general, however, the courts appear to be more sympathetic to the extent that parodies are less commercial, and less sympathetic to the extent that parodies involve commercial use of the mark.
quote: 7. What constitutes trademark infringement?
If a party owns the rights to a particular trademark, that party can sue subsequent parties for trademark infringement. 15 U.S.C. �� 1114, 1125. The standard is "likelihood of confusion." To be more specific, the use of a trademark in connection with the sale of a good constitutes infringement if it is likely to cause consumer confusion as to the source of those goods or as to the sponsorship or approval of such goods. In deciding whether consumers are likely to be confused, the courts will typically look to a number of factors, including: (1) the strength of the mark; (2) the proximity of the goods; (3) the similarity of the marks; (4) evidence of actual confusion; (5) the similarity of marketing channels used; (6) the degree of caution exercised by the typical purchaser; (7) the defendant's intent. Polaroid Corp. v. Polarad Elect. Corp., 287 F.2d 492 (2d Cir.), cert. denied, 368 U.S. 820 (1961).
A trademark infringement is one where selling of goods would confuse others.
In fact, having a picture of a trademarked logo is even ENCOURAGED for competitors when running ads.
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never fails to amaze me how many people expect Tv, movies, books, music etc ect to be 100% free. Ironically some of these same people harp against bailouts, welfare, foodstamps etc etc. It seems they hate "free lunches" except when it comes to them. | |
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 BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | FCC: Let's kill analog early, give diehards converter boxes There is no "early" about it. Actually cable companies only had to carry analog until 3 years after the OTA digital transition which is on June 17th 2009. Then a couple of years ago it got extended by 6 months. So killing off analog in Dec 2012 is actually killing it LATER not sooner. Cable companies should have been allowed to kill off analog starting Sunday. | |
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