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KrK
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If Apple hadn't played the douche card so heavily...

.... they wouldn't be in this predicament. It's the old reap what you sow, or what goes around comes around, or you could say Karma, etc etc

Careful what you wish for. You just might get it.
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Re: If Apple hadn't played the douche card so heavily...

said by KrK:

.... they wouldn't be in this predicament. It's the old reap what you sow, or what goes around comes around, or you could say Karma, etc etc

Careful what you wish for. You just might get it.

Apple was so busy suing everyone, they forgot that retaliation by multiple companies was going to be a sure thing. No one wins in this version of patent lawsuit Russian roulette.
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Apple even did a deal with the devil in order to damage its competitors. Apple truly is unscrupulous:
»techcrunch.com/2011/12/09/apple-···t-troll/

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Re: If Apple hadn't played the douche card so heavily...

said by Linklist:

Apple even did a deal with the devil in order to damage its competitors. Apple truly is unscrupulous:
»techcrunch.com/2011/12/09/apple-···t-troll/

I used to admire Apple and its products, and often recommended friends and colleagues consider them. I wasn't often inclined to buy anything Apple for myself, before, because their stuff simply didn't suit my needs. But now I'm actively disinclined to even consider their products, and I think I'm going to begin actively discouraging friends and colleagues from buying Apple product.

Jim

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Re: If Apple hadn't played the douche card so heavily...

I think you may be right. I actually like Apple products and admire the way they integrate products into a great device. However, I've never been a fan of the hypocrisy of Apple, and what I feel is abuse of the patent and legal system.

However, now seeing this.... I think it's rising to a level where on moral and ethical grounds I'll just have to boycott Apple products entirely. I'm sure many people won't care, but for me, I think it's time to kick Apple's BS to the curb.
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I hope the rise of this kind of patent abuse leads to significant reform which in effect voids these licenses and agreements, puts these type of companies out of business--- and hopefully--- costs the partners who helped them (Like Apple) lose millions or billions.
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Re: If Apple hadn't played the douche card so heavily...

said by KrK:

I hope the rise of this kind of patent abuse leads to significant reform which in effect voids these licenses and agreements, puts these type of companies out of business--- and hopefully--- costs the partners who helped them (Like Apple) lose millions or billions.

It seems you want to bear the heavy load of determining what is "patent abuse". From where I stand, its Apple that has had its technologies copied without compensation for FAR too long. This is nothing but a small retaliatory investment in a company that will inflict upon its competitors a fraction of what it has continued to endure.

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Re: If Apple hadn't played the douche card so heavily...

said by KCrimson:

From where I stand, its Apple that has had its technologies copied without compensation for FAR too long. This is nothing but a small retaliatory investment in a company that will inflict upon its competitors a fraction of what it has continued to endure.

Again, as I have in the past, I have to ask: Have you actually read what some of these patents are about? I have. Many of them utterly fail the test of non-obviousness. Things like "arrange a screen-full of icons, the purpose of which is to launch programs, in a rectangular pattern." give me a flippin' break.

Furthermore you miss the point of this article entirely, which is about Apple trading its sole interest on some patent rights to gain a share in other patent rights, as well, so as to make it more difficult for its competitors to participate. Ugly. Very, very ugly. About as innovative as MS buying up competitors simply to take them off the market.

Yeah, I'm thinking it's about time for a "Boycott Apple" movement.

Jim

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said by KCrimson:

said by KrK:

I hope the rise of this kind of patent abuse leads to significant reform which in effect voids these licenses and agreements, puts these type of companies out of business--- and hopefully--- costs the partners who helped them (Like Apple) lose millions or billions.

It seems you want to bear the heavy load of determining what is "patent abuse". From where I stand, its Apple that has had its technologies copied without compensation for FAR too long. This is nothing but a small retaliatory investment in a company that will inflict upon its competitors a fraction of what it has continued to endure.

And Apple has copied from others oddly enough.

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Xerox fanboy. Read about what Apple did to xerox and quit drinking the fanboy kool-aid.

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Re: If Apple hadn't played the douche card so heavily...

said by Metatron2008:

Xerox fanboy. Read about what Apple did to xerox and quit drinking the fanboy kool-aid.

I'm familiar with the story of Xerox's Palo Alto Research Center, and how Jobs was INVITED to visit and view their efforts. If they had an inkling of what and how to work with the many technologies that were being developed, they would have - nothing stopped them. The fact is that Jobs was a visionary that could see the usefulness of various technologies and bring them to market. He did nothing To Xerox. As for Windows and Gem Desktop - they were lifted from Apple, the government took years and years to reach that decision, but never rewarded Apple the damages that they deserved.

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Re: If Apple hadn't played the douche card so heavily...

He got invited due to the offering of purchasing pre-ipo stock.
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Apple sucks other peoples ideas in makes them better and spits them back out. The company started by cheating/copying and over the history of the company its all theyve done. Poor fanboy cant open a history book.

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Re: If Apple hadn't played the douche card so heavily...

said by slckusr:

Apple sucks other peoples ideas in makes them better and spits them back out. The company started by cheating/copying and over the history of the company its all theyve done. Poor fanboy cant open a history book.

Besides the name calling, are you somehow pleased with that rant? Apple started by building one of the first personal computers out of a garage. Microsoft on the other hand, made its first fortune not from their own coding (their Basic interpreters were substantial, but NOT enough to make the company what it became, or even survive the late 80's) - it was their Seattle Microsystems - er "PC - er MS-DOS "creation", sold to IBM (and then marketed to reverse engineered clones that at the time competed with the VERY COMPANY that made them the fortune - talk about double-dealing code that you PURCHASED!!!). Then, to make the company REALLY big, they copy Apple's GUI.

... and the Microsoft sale to IBM was only consummated because the developer of competing CPM/86 (Digital Research) blew off the IBM brass that came to negotiate the final deal. Yup, I can't open a history book. I actually lived it though - my first MS product ran on my Apple ][ plus - basic. That machine also ran a Microsoft Z-80 co-processor card they marketed called the "Z-80 Softcard", which came with a copy of CP/M. Thanks for the history less update though - I thoroughly enjoyed the name calling.

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Re: If Apple hadn't played the douche card so heavily...

said by KCrimson:

Microsoft on the other hand, made its first fortune not from their own coding (their Basic interpreters were substantial, but NOT enough to make the company what it became, or even survive the late 80's)

There's some belief/suspicion that Gates and his partner at the time "liberated" that. I recall not whence and the story may just be sour grapes.

said by KCrimson:

... and the Microsoft sale to IBM was only consummated because the developer of competing CPM/86 (Digital Research) blew off the IBM brass that came to negotiate the final deal.

Gary Kildall having blown-off the IBM negotiating team is apocryphal. There are differing accounts as to what really happened. (CP/M-86, btw.)

None of that matters a hill of beans. We're talking about Apple's abuse of the far-too-easily-abused patent system.

Jim

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Re: If Apple hadn't played the douche card so heavily...

Liberated what - DOS, or their code for Basic? If its the later, that's interesting - and the first I'm hearing of it.

said by jseymour:

None of that matters a hill of beans. We're talking about Apple's abuse of the far-too-easily-abused patent system.
Jim

I'm sure the patent system does need overhaul. I'm not an attorney or inventor, so I've only read accounts of the difficulties facing those that attempt to establish ownership. What I do know is Apple has the right to share, sell and strategize the use of its intellectual property to the detriment of its competitors, and any Board of Directors that has seen repeated invention benefit others, with little relief by the courts, would be wise to follow suit until such overhaul occurs.

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said by jseymour:

(CP/M-86, btw.)

Yea - I once knew that.

You'll notice that earlier in the thread, when I was referring to its older brother that I ran on my MS Z-80 Softcard, I had the slash placed correctly.
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said by KCrimson:

said by KrK:

I hope the rise of this kind of patent abuse leads to significant reform which in effect voids these licenses and agreements, puts these type of companies out of business--- and hopefully--- costs the partners who helped them (Like Apple) lose millions or billions.

It seems you want to bear the heavy load of determining what is "patent abuse". From where I stand, its Apple that has had its technologies copied without compensation for FAR too long. This is nothing but a small retaliatory investment in a company that will inflict upon its competitors a fraction of what it has continued to endure.

slide to unlock is not a technology. most of what apple sues over are not technology but form and function patents that are so clearly a natural way for a device to function that they patent it for the sole purpose of trolling for license fees.

Nobody should be able to patent how the OS is interacted with, the look of the OS can be copyrighted however but "Icons on a Desktop" is not a technology.
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Re: If Apple hadn't played the douche card so heavily...

Dragging/sliding an icon to the right to unlock never was an intuitive method of activating any consumer electronics that I can remember using (let alone one using a touch screen). There is nothing more "natural" about sliding to the right than sliding to the left, up, or down - but the Apple wanna-be's and most importantly the consumers, have become accustomed and EXPECT to interact that way - and Apple damn well deserves to receive monetary licensing for that gesturing when its used EXACTLY as they first designed it.
Specific icons on the desktop of Windows and Gem WERE the subjects of that lawsuit that Apple won and got screwed out of a settlement from - IIRC, that's why MS ended up using the Recycle Bin as opposed to a Trash Can (not some prescient "green awareness" )

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Re: If Apple hadn't played the douche card so heavily...

Do you really want me to bring out my collection of old gameboys, that required you to move the power button from left to right to turn on? This has existed for many years, particularly on consoles.

I can youtube it if your feeling like being embarrased. Go suck somewhere else harder Apple fanboy.

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Re: If Apple hadn't played the douche card so heavily...

One attempt at "fanboy" wasn't enough, you seem to think repeating the comment will convince me, or others, that you're right.

I can think of devices that require you to push buttons in various directions and for various amounts of pressure and duration as well - none of those are any more "natural" than dragging to the right. In fact most digital appliances have, and continue to reply upon a single short button press for power-on. No amount of gameboy experience taught nearly every single touchscreen phone user that sliding a small square icon/avatar near the bottom center of their phone will activate its functions - besides, IIRC the Gameboy switch you're talking about was for main power-on, not for reactivating the touchscreen after wake as Apple's portables (and all of its progeny) have been.

KrK
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Verizon will no longer expand FIOS....

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Figures. Now they want to do everything wirelessly.

I'm sorry but there's no way that wireless in any kind of reasonable density of towers can perform as a fiber connection can.

Sure, I'm sure it will be cheaper and easier to deploy. It will also be easier to oversell and over-saturate as well.

Of course, that's what Caps and overages and UBB are for...

So awesome..... short term gain, long term fail.
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Re: Verizon will no longer expand FIOS....

Investors do not know what this long term thing you speak of is. they are too greedy. this is why America is failing right now.

I also agree that no wireless tech available or in R&D can match my cable modem especially for gaming performance. hardline will always have superior latency.
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Re: Verizon will no longer expand FIOS....

the transmission medium is protected in traditional ISP networks. Wirelessly it isn't.

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The realized they will simply end up being a dummy pipe company so they just want to go with the most cheapest option for offering broadband that can still support their TV streams.

Fiber will always be better, but now they wil be doing FTTT - Fiber To The Tower - type of internet and everyone will be wireless for the last mile.
Also I believe wireless has exemptions from the recent very weak net neutrality rules so they are also trying to circumvent that.
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Don't forget signal jamming. Want to make it super easy to knock out significant numbers of customers' TV/Internet/phone? Just make it wireless.

I saw a demonstartion of a cell phone jammer... a small unit easilly killed cell service in a movie theater. How big an area would a 'large' unit do? They also have them for GPS, Wifi, Bluetooth, 3G, GSM, etc. Would 'insert name for new Verizon wireless solution here' be any different?

- terrorists
- government (oh wait, thats the same thing)
- annoying neighbors
- renegade managers during a strike
- Time Warner/Cablevision

Pretty much anyone that did an internet search would find them made by Chinese companies and direct shipped to your house.
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Chrome found most secure

by a study funded by google. Big surprise there. When microsoft funded a browser study a year or so ago, IE was the most secure. The study firm aims to please they who paid for the study. Also, chromes version of ABP does not truly block ads, it only hides them, which does not prevent them from running malicious scripts. Im sure, by 100% that this study was tilted in googles favor by twisting stats(as these companies usually do), or omiting stats(happens all the time).

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Re: Chrome found most secure

said by Chubbysumo:

by a study funded by google. Big surprise there. When microsoft funded a browser study a year or so ago, IE was the most secure. The study firm aims to please they who paid for the study. Also, chromes version of ABP does not truly block ads, it only hides them, which does not prevent them from running malicious scripts. Im sure, by 100% that this study was tilted in googles favor by twisting stats(as these companies usually do), or omiting stats(happens all the time).

Reminds me of all the FUD being pushed by Apple and A/V company funded "studies" claiming Android is infested with malware. Follow the money.
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More details on this study:
»www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenbe···message/

Despite the potential for a conflict of interest, Accuvant is a well-respected firm, and its researchers have performed a thorough and fair study, even making the tools they used to test the browsers publicly available. It’s no shock that Google’s browser was found to be relatively secure: In the annual widely-watched Pwn2Own hacking competitions, Chrome emerged three consecutive years unscathed, even after posting an extra $20,000 bounty for anyone who could break its sandbox restrictions.

Nor are Accuvant’s findings entirely positive for Google. It points out that Chrome fails to effectively blacklist malicious URLs, though neither of the other browsers fared better on that front.




But even if the research paper seems objective, Google’s funding of the report won’t help its fraying relationship with Mozilla. When asked by reporters recently, Google wouldn’t confirm that it was renewing its partnership with Mozilla to make Google the default search engine in Firefox, which provides 80 percent of the smaller company’s revenue.

Full report here:
AccuvantBrowserSecCompar FINAL
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Mozilla fared better than Safari, which isn't even tested. Google and Apple haven't been the best of buds, either.

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Pretty sad that Firefox is worse than IE. It takes a lot of (not) doing to beat MS at the exploitability game.

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Loyalty programs

I have a Best Buy reward zone silver card and I earn points for shopping there, which can be turned into vouchers. I bought a MacBook pro at Best Buy and it earned me $40 in vouchers which I applied to the purchase of a Comcast EMTA. The Reward Zone program is the reaso I will buy my gadgets/electronics only at Best Buy. I will buy soda pops and candy at Best Buy now and then and I show my Reward Zone card as well. Too bad I could not earn Reward Zone points for paying my Verizon Wireless bill there.
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Lightsquared: 30+ customers, no LTE

LOL,
Having 30 small companies/stores and like 2 large companies promise to resell your internet in deals where they dont pay you a dime unless they actually sell something does not mean they have customers.

Lightsquare = failed.

There is no way for lightsqaured to sell anything when existing companies that do the same thing like Clear are not successful.
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Re: Lightsquared: 30+ customers, no LTE

said by r81984:

Lightsquare = failed.

Government testing says Lightsquared is stiil causing interference issues for GPS, even after all their promised fixes.

»news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-573408···1_3-0-20

LightSquared's planned 4G wireless network caused "harmful interference" to the majority of GPS receivers used in recent government testing of the network, according to reports citing a draft version of the test results.

National Space-Based Positioning, Navigation and Timing Systems Engineering Forum said "a great majority" of the commercial and military GPS units tested suffered from interference.

And news service Bloomberg, which said it saw the draft, from testing conducted Oct. 31 to Nov. 4, reported that it showed that "millions of fielded GPS units are not compatible" with the planned network.

After that, the FCC is expected to decide if the system is good to go.

The National Space-Based Positioning, Navigation and Timing Systems Engineering Forum plans to offer its final report on this recent testing to the Commerce Department before the end of the year.

But Lightsquared is going to battle to the death:

The Journal reported that LightSquared has called for a government investigation of the leaked draft and has said that the preliminary results are inaccurate because in practice the network would operate at a lower power level, thus lessening its effect on GPS receivers.

"By ignoring this commitment by LightSquared, this conclusion is erroneously based on estimated power levels that are up to 15 times the levels guaranteed by LightSquared," the Journal quoted Martin Harriman, LightSquared's executive vice president of ecosystem development and satellite business, as saying.

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Re: Lightsquared: 30+ customers, no LTE

Lightsquared still found to disrupt GPS:
»www.businessweek.com/news/2011-1···sts.html

Dec. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Philip Falcone’s proposed LightSquared Inc. wireless service caused interference to 75 percent of global-positioning system receivers examined in a U.S. government test, according to a draft summary of results.

The results from testing conducted Oct. 31 to Nov. 4 show that “millions of fielded GPS units are not compatible” with the planned nationwide wholesale service, according to the draft seen by Bloomberg News.

“LightSquared signals caused harmful interference to majority of GPS receivers tested,” according to the draft prepared for a meeting next week of U.S. officials reviewing the LightSquared proposal. “No additional testing is required to confirm harmful interference exists.”


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Re: Lightsquared: 30+ customers, no LTE

It would be an unfortunate reversal, but the FCC never should have the this adjacent frequency go as the majority of GPS devices have loose frequency tolerances.

Aside from this dealbreaker, becoming a 'dumb pipe' come-one come-all LTE wholesaler isn't a realistic long term business strategy. AT&T and VZ don't have much to worry about.
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Chinese Internet users relish the irony

The saddest part about SOPA (the Great Firewall Of America) isn't how much it will hurt the reputation of the U. S. internationally or that it will hurt human rights worldwide but is how the members of the MPAA and their bought and paid for politicians will for the sake of corporate greed so willingly sell out the individual freedom of over 300 million Americans.

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Shocking...

no one's mentioned about WebOS. It's not as dead as some people have touted it to be. Now that it's open source, hopefully there would be developers working on many more apps than what's out there.
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Re: Shocking...

I think there's a lot to be seen yet. We need to see the license agreement to see how beneficial the 'open' project will be, IMO.

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said by Boricua65:

no one's mentioned about WebOS. It's not as dead as some people have touted it to be. Now that it's open source, hopefully there would be developers working on many more apps than what's out there.

Ths guy says it is dead and why it is:
»Remember Palm Pre smartphones and WebOS

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