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| "congestion pricing" i see a new buzzword that means caps and throttling is coming to the USA .....did ya think they'd not try to keep on trying to rip people off and price gouge....
Until these networks are 100% owned by the people this crap will just continue....
imagine if they owned our water treatment plants ...... | |
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| said by chronoss2009  :i see a new buzzword that means caps and throttling is coming to the USA .....did ya think they'd not try to keep on trying to rip people off and price gouge.... Until these networks are 100% owned by the people this crap will just continue.... imagine if they owned our water treatment plants ...... The people do own these companies - thru their shareholders.
And many water treatment facilities are privately owned; as are water providers; and trash collection; and natural gas providers; and electricity; etc. All considered by some as municipal utilities. You just have to get out of major cities where the pols and their sycophants run these types of businesses.
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1 edit | Re: "congestion pricing" said by TKJunkMail :said by chronoss2009 :i see a new buzzword that means caps and throttling is coming to the USA .....did ya think they'd not try to keep on trying to rip people off and price gouge.... Until these networks are 100% owned by the people this crap will just continue.... imagine if they owned our water treatment plants ...... The people do own these companies - thru their shareholders. And many water treatment facilities are privately owned; as are water providers; and trash collection; and natural gas providers; and electricity; etc. All considered by some as municipal utilities. You just have to get out of major cities where the pols and their sycophants run these types of businesses. and they are heavilly regulated to prevent the abuses that occur. Think landlord tenant board and you renting the service of having a room. IS that room YOURS or the landlords?
The law says its yours as long as you pay....
Why cant the same thing apply to all services?
and everyone knows big media has control of the ...media. MY BET is that real reporting MIGHT just actually go somewhere as many tired of the crap they see would TUNE IN. | |
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| Re: "congestion pricing" You're wrong in what you're saying.. when you RENT a room from a landlord, you have a right to USE it.. there is nothing that says it's "yours".. you're still bound to certain terms and restrictions.. for example..
.. you can't let anyone live with you unless they are approved and on the lease...
.. you can't simply renovate walls or rooms with out permission.
... you can't have pets unless they are approved.
.. visitors that stay more than a week, sometimes two, have to be cleared with the landlord..
etc.
The law says you have an 'agreement' with the landlord.. it never says 'it's yours as long as you pay'... please produce a piece of law that says that..
It DOES say that the rental agreement gives you certain rights.. but it doesn't give you unrestricted use.
So, as for "all services".. they're already the same.. you have an agreement that you're bound too and as a consumer, you have certain protections, basically, the agreement and certain housing rights have to be adhered to.. that's it.
Also, remember.. when you're renting an apartment or a home, you're basically a customer of a business.. people don't understand that one very well.. just as the conversation about "we should have the right to have what ever provider in the area service me in my apartment" again is simply wrong. It's a business that offers amenities which are simply marketing tools and help competition against the competitors..
but simply put.. it's not yours as long as you pay. | |
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| Re: WGAE: Internet As Primary News Source Threatens Quality, Job The country isn't willing to pay for quality programming.
Just take a look (I'm being serious here) at Fox news, for example. They have it down to an art form. Snippets of news as entertainment, stories designed to create outrage or inflame political partisanship, which gets them an avid auidence and dedicated following and most importantly--- high ratings. It's a formula which is working well for them.
Now let's imagine you're trying to compete with Fox news, but you're more of the traditional mindset, of investigative reporting, carefully sourcing and producing a detailed and clear story. Guess what. Your ratings suck. Your budget is cut. You're not sensationalist enough, and the people don't want to hear the truth if it goes against their preconceived belief system. The people don't want quality news programming.
So, you fall, and they rise. And in the end the public is well managed by careful spin and outright falsehoods.
This is the way things have become.
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| said by TKJunkMail :News reporters and their union want Obama to bail them out. I guess if he does, he can expect even easier treatment in the press. For the past 20 years it seems like professional media has shifted to tabloid (sensational) journalism, infotainment, and the profit to be made by pandering to the masses. Now that the masses can pander to themselves with their own sensationalism (on the web), traditional media is reaping what it sowed.
I don't know what the solution is, but I think it's a serious problem. Freedom of speech was protected not merely for the pitchforking populace, but the institution of the Press as a deliberative, professional fact-finding organization to temper the pitchforking masses. A counterbalance to populist demagoguery.
Even though professional organizations had editorial biases and could engage in muckracking, it was still vastly better to have resources (checks and balances) dedicated to developing background, sources, fact checking.
Maybe PBS and NPR are the answer. Not perfect. But, considering how mainstream media has ceded its own authority chasing a profit motive that increasingly led to sound-bite news, maybe the existing socially-funded news will end up being the counterbalance to 20 million chimps blawging on the web as news?
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| Re: WGAE: Internet As Primary News Source Threatens Quality, Job 20 years? It's been a lot longer than that. Hearst was a master. The media in general has been propagandizing since before our founding. The difference is that there is no monopoly of thought in media any more. No longer are CBS, NBC, ABC and major city newspapers the only source of news. Everyone now has access to a platform to spout their flavor of propaganda and access to a platform unfiltered by biased editorial boards.
Things to get pitchforking about are nothing new. The difference is people are FINALLY becoming aware of the titanic scale of how f*cked the government is and how never day goes by that the government doesn't screw us over. The latest screw over I'm getting come next week.
»www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-s···40.story
The level of local, state and federal government greed and corruption we are seeing now is what is sensational, not the reporting of it. This level of government run amuck doesn't require any embellishment. | |
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Amerika | Re: WGAE: Internet As Primary News Source Threatens Quality, Job It typical Sacramento theft. And now we are seeing Sacramento style politics at work in Washington. The entire nation has this level of corruption and thievery to look forward to if they are not already experiencing it. | |
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| said by Z80 :20 years? It's been a lot longer than that. Hearst was a master. The media in general has been propagandizing since before our founding. The difference is that there is no monopoly of thought in media any more. No longer are CBS, NBC, ABC and major city newspapers the only source of news. Everyone now has access to a platform to spout their flavor of propaganda and access to a platform unfiltered by biased editorial boards. Things to get pitchforking about are nothing new. The difference is people are FINALLY becoming aware of the titanic scale of how f*cked the government is and how never day goes by that the government doesn't screw us over. The latest screw over I'm getting come next week. » www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-s···40.storyThe level of local, state and federal government greed and corruption we are seeing now is what is sensational, not the reporting of it. This level of government run amuck doesn't require any embellishment. you provide the pictures, I'll provide the war.
anyway lots the loss of print has been that people want news Now, they dont want to wait for it to bake over night at the printing press. this course was started by satellite powered news where events could be sent real time from anywhere to anywhere at merely the speed of light.
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1 edit | Re: WGAE: Internet As Primary News Source Threatens Quality, Job It's competition that is driving news outlets like the L.A. Times to actually start covering news instead of picking and choosing news that fits its editorial agenda. No longer are they allowed to ignore stories because others will cover it and take the audience. I have no doubt that if this story had happened 10 years ago, hell 5 years ago, they would have ignored it just like they ignored fmr. Gov. Davis' fits of rage and violence toward his staff while assailing Ah-nold daily.
My point is there are no "dedicated news organizations". They're all propagandists steered by editorial opinion. Fact checking takes a back seat to pushing the agenda as it did with Dan RaTHer and CBS, nearly destroying the entire news division. There are independent journalists everywhere, but there are no hard news "organizations". Often those independent journalists when they get a huge scoop are raked over the coals by the propagandizing nearly 'state run' news organizations who should be following up on the stories.
Even now it is difficult to get old media to cover stories that put their buddies in government in a bad light. They will ignore stories (for example the recent ACORN scandal) even when staring them in the face as if they pretend they don't exist it will go away.
Old media is dead and the news oligopoly is dead. I'm glad to see the pitchforkers out in force and I'll run my own B.S. filter instead of having propagandists at the state run or corporate kiss ass media do it. Of course new media doesn't bode well for governments, "community" groups and corporations who abuse power and engage in unprecedented levels of greed and corruption. They won't be able to do anything without someone finding out and sooner raTHer than later. That is good too. | |
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| Re: WGAE: Internet As Primary News Source Threatens Quality, Job said by Z80 :It's competition that is driving news outlets like the L.A. Times to actually start covering news instead of picking and choosing news that fits its editorial agenda. I don't disagree with that. It could also be driven by the ease with which individuals can communicate and discuss what's not being reported.
"golf/liam/tk's" (I forget which one he was for this thread) posting concerned financial hardship which traditional media is struggling with.
As I said in my reply to him, I think that's a problem (although, no easy solution comes to mind). That doesn't mean I disagree with you about the usefulness of 20 million blawgs, or pseudo-news web sites. Just that it could be a problem when more professional, traditional news can't compete against Bruiser LaRue who writes "news" after his day job, and pulls in $500 a month in banner advertising.
The benefits you refer to of a more populist, democratic information medium also come with a downside too. When the populist consumers of news believe the latest "truther" story from Bruiser LaRue, and the mainstream media doesn't report it, that tends to confirm to the "truthers" that the mainstream media "just doesn't get it."
I see this as similar to the division between populist democracy and deliberative/representative democracy. For example, the way Senators were appointed by state legislatures until 1913 when they became popularly elected. That was a benefit to the populace. But, Senators driven by populism isn't such a great thing compared to their intended role to be protected from it, so they could be a more deliberative body (and reject whatever animated the mob today, like turning Jews into bars of soap).
I see positives and negatives to Internet-driven changes to how we get our information. I think it would be bad if the more deliberative, professional, expensive organizations went out of business. And, I have mixed feelings about them being driven exclusively by whatever the mob wants to hear (pandering).
But, none of the above is meant to say that an ivory-tower, cloistered news organization isn't without its downsides too.
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| Re: WGAE: Internet As Primary News Source Threatens Quality, Job There will always be birther type nuts out there like the 9-11 conspiracy nuts claiming Bush orchestrated the whole thing to invade Iraq. And the old media will report the nutty claims IF they fit the agenda (Dan RaTHer for example). The media "gets" what their editorial boards want people to "get" whether accurate or not.
I don't think people are running to the blogs or news aggregators like Drudge because they are free. I think they run to the blogs because they can't get the whole story from old media.
Where there is smoke there is fire and old media takes the batteries out of the detectors. The mob wants the truth and old media won't give it to them. The mob have pretty good B.S. detectors and can filter out birther type nuts but they want to hear the case and decide for themselves instead of government and their propagandists in media deciding it for them. | |
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1 edit | Re: WGAE: Internet As Primary News Source Threatens Quality, Job said by Z80 :The mob wants the truth and old media won't give it to them. The mob have pretty good B.S. detectors and can filter out birther type nuts .... I don't place the same faith in the fickleness of the mob. The reference to "truthers" was just an extreme example. But, that mindset is a matter of degrees. It's a natural human tendency to want to believe what you want to believe.
An example is the recent financial/credit bubble. The mob didn't want to hear that bad times were coming. The party was going so swell! The popularity-driven media didn't report it.
You'll point to some blawgs that reported it to their specialized audience (investors, etc.). But, that doesn't change the fact that the vast majority didn't want to hear it -- and they had eager, popularity-driven "news" sources to tell them what their itching ears wanted to hear.
That's how a mob mindset works. If the mainstream news had reported the "real news" about the bubble, they would have been accused of being anti-Bush. Just another example of "the liberal media." Since the mainstream media didn't report it, then it's proof of "editorial corruption."
Populism works that way. Rationalize everything because it didn't fit what one subset of the mob felt was "popular," therefore the media isn't reporting "what the people really want to hear." In fact, the mainstream media did report what the people wanted to hear ("see no evil, speak no evil."). If the mainstream media reported the evil (how the economy was built on a house of cards), they would have been accused of tearing down Bush's tremendous economic achievements.
That's how populism (the mob) works. It's not really democratic. It's just who can scream the loudest. A group is convinced that their view is the popular one as evidenced by how loud (passionate) they are. Selectively applying how great the mob's BS detectors are when it comes to 20 million blawgs -- while at the same time unable to cope with corruption/bias in mainstream news.
IMO, the above doesn't lead to quality news.
I'm a little concerned that traditional news is being forced to cater more to populism, reducing their news to editorials that produce the most banner-ad hits. As bad as traditional news has been in its own peculiar way, I'm not naive enough to believe things can't get worse.
Having said that, I'm not defending traditional news organizations. I agree that autonomy (removal from market-driven forces) can (and does) lead to corruption.
I just think they're a good counterbalance to popularity-driven "news," where content is driven by the most passionate (not necessarily the most objective). And, the only feasible way for expensive, in-depth journalism to occur.
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| ICANN allows non-Latin character domain names Why? Why enable Non-Latin character domain names? Sure, chinese characters are fine, but characters with accents? What the hell is wrong with those idiots? Now dslreports, for example, will have to register dslréports, and every other combination with every accent associated with every vowel in their name. That is BULLSHIT and totally irresponsible.
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| Re: ICANN allows non-Latin character domain names said by james :Why? Why enable Non-Latin character domain names? Sure, chinese characters are fine, but characters with accents? What the hell is wrong with those idiots? Now dslreports, for example, will have to register dslréports, and every other combination with every accent associated with every vowel in their name. That is BULLSHIT and totally irresponsible. Not to mention that many of us programmers will need to change our programs to accept the new domain name formats.
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| Re: ICANN allows non-Latin character domain names said by Rob :Not to mention that many of us programmers will need to change our programs to accept the new domain name formats. There is only 1 new format and it is already supported by most recent browsers. It is still only ASCII but is encoded to handle the x128+ codes and Unicode. The system is named Punycode and the details are at »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punycode. All URLS of this form start with xn-- as the first 4 characters of their URL (ie: h t t p : / / xn--) so they are not hard to spot. | |
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St John'S, NL | Re: ICANN allows non-Latin character domain names I just did search for XN urls and they are all jibberish.
»xn--7dbakjaabwl7h.com
Who would want this?
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| Re: ICANN allows non-Latin character domain names said by r81984 :I just did search for XN urls and they are all jibberish. » xn--7dbakjaabwl7h.comWho would want this? Did you read the Wikipedia article I pointed at? The xn-- URLs are encoded. If you want to search for a domain name you must start with the Unicode version and convert to xn-- form (or take the xn-- form and decode it to Unicode). If you say the location bar is showing xn-- jibberish, you have to flip a Browser setting to tell it to display as Unicode not Punycode. | |
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join:2008-09-23 | you mean programmers that use spam in your softoware GOOD i say you shuold just make a text file and place it in there or have a localized link to a web page
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1 edit | Re: Arris is stepping into a minefield of patents. and here i thought they just made EMTA and CMTS hardware.
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will account for any out-of-home distribution restraints specified by MSOs and programmers
this here tells me though a slingbox will still be of more use, if the programers can lock out "slinging" you can bet the primary reasons to have one wont work. can bet MLB and the NFL would lockout streaming because of the odd chance someone might be in a hotel in a blackout area and do the dreaded act of enjoying a game on their PC or more importantly to them, watching it on their PC without subbing to their premium web portal. | |
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Flower Mound, TX | Yep I have the iPhone issue, with a X58 chipset as well. Same issues, someone needs to accept responsibility and fix it. | |
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antarctica | Re: Yep I have the iPhone issue, with a X58 chipset as well. I accept responsibility and refuse to fix it. | |
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