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join:2008-09-23 | hrm why such a hard on for your youth
sarkozy the man who'd pay 1$ to steal musicians tunes | |
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| Re: hrm said by chronoss2009 :why such a hard on for your youth Because a fair number of them have no morals at all. | |
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 |  |   KrK Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy Premium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK | Re: hrm I'd agree the Politicians seem to be lacking in morals completely. | |
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 |  jam_bongo
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| said by chronoss2009 :why such a hard on for your youth sarkozy the man who'd pay 1$ to steal musicians tunes funny he married a musician | |
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| Re: hrm said by jam_bongo :said by chronoss2009 :why such a hard on for your youth sarkozy the man who'd pay 1$ to steal musicians tunes funny he married a musician ya and didnt he rip off that band for like 1$ so there is the cost per song for COMMERICAL use, so non commercial MUST BE WAY LESS | |
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| um How does legality get determined?
How does traffic then get labeled as illegal?
Who watches the watchers?
What if you were downloading perfectly legal material and got "notified" then "cut off?" What recourse does one have? What if somebody used your connection, whether it was open or they broke the encryption, and you get cut off; again, what recourse is available?
(sounds like) Guilty until proven innocent. Even there, how would one prove innocence??? A fully forensic session with your machine, that you have to pay for? Where does it end? How on earth do they expect this to work without really pissing off some innocent people?
This kind of stuff makes no sense to me. I hope that if it does somehow pass, that the whole thing backfires on them badly somehow. | |
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| Re: um said by amungus :I hope that if it does somehow pass, that the whole thing backfires on them badly somehow. Even after all this, it must still get approved by the Constitutional Council(The French Supreme Court, but one that can rule on laws without a court case being filed like in the US) which invalidated the last version of this law before it could be implemented.
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join:2009-05-24 Cleveland, OH | Re: um Why would they change their mind? | |
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4 edits | Re: um said by sonicmerlin :Why would they change their mind? Previous law had no recourse in courts and was purely administrative by a gov't dept and that is why they invalidated it. The new law requires a court hearing before someone can be cutoff. Even if the hearing only lasts 5 mins.
P.S.>> Unlike UK & US, which is based on common law principles, France is based on the Napoleonic code. And under that you are NOT assumed to be innocent unless proven guilty. Quite the opposite actually. Once charged by an examining magistrate you are assumed guilty unless you prove otherwise. | |
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| Re: um Not correct. French citizens have the right to the "Présomption d'innocence", which is equivalent to the innocent until proved guilty. The judge will decide of the culpability and to do so has to be convinced that there are no doubts regarding said culpability. If there remain doubts there will be a "non-lieu". Well that's how I understand it. | |
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join:2008-06-03 Orangeville, ON | Poor Grandma All it will take is spoofed IP's and poor grandma is gonna get nailed to the wall. | |
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| Re: Poor Grandma said by cpsycho :All it will take is spoofed IP's and poor grandma is gonna get nailed to the wall. That's exactly it. If this does pass, it will do very little to deter P2P.
The clever people will ignore this (through the use of spoofing, encryption,..etc). "Three strikes" is still fundamentally flawed and a judge would need a lot more than 5 minutes to determine true guilt. | |
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| Will lead to an escalation of Encryption and Obfuscation This will lead to an escalation of encryption and obfuscation, at which point another (temporary) bullet proof pirating solution will be established.
At this point piracy will increase (for a time) until it can be investigated again.
Sounds just like the Gnutella lawsuits from a couple of years ago.
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