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| They'll Make You An Offer ....You can't refuse! Heh....And you thought Elliot Ness rounded en all up! They're all working for Verizon! | |
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join:2005-06-24
| Re: Consumerist can eat it. said by morbo :hmm... i was also banned and have never looked back. blessing in disguise as now i have reclaimed all that time.  i was banned mostly for being critical of the editorial team for posts that are pseudo news. the site walks a thin line between being taken seriously and being seen as a joke. Why doesnt this suprise me? | |
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It's Biden Vs. the Biscuit. Sarah's hot
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
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| said by morbo : i was banned mostly for being critical of the editorial team for posts that are pseudo news. the site walks a thin line between being taken seriously and being seen as a joke. Are you talking about Consumerist or DSLReports?  | |
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| majortom1029
join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY | The problem is that i was banned fro mthe consumerist and since your account is the same this also autmotaically bans you from sites like kotaku and gizmodo also. | |
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join:2005-04-13
Denton, TX | Re: Consumerist can eat it. I've read a lot of complaints on other blogs/forums about the liberal use of the ban hammer on Kotaku. The whole Gawker Media blog network really can't take criticism at all. | |
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rit56
join:2000-12-01
New York, NY
| interesting comments so far but no one seems to doubt Verizon is known for dubious, shady billing practices. the inside wiring thing is a perfect example. they wire it into your home and they own it. you rent it from them. so if it breaks and if you don't buy insurance than you have to pay them to repair their faulty equipment? same crap they do with cell phones. wait til they revoke net neutrality. | |
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nycdave
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join:1999-11-16
Melville, NY
| Re: interesting comments so far said by rit56 :but no one seems to doubt Verizon is known for dubious, shady billing practices. the inside wiring thing is a perfect example. they wire it into your home and they own it. you rent it from them. so if it breaks and if you don't buy insurance than you have to pay them to repair their faulty equipment? same crap they do with cell phones. wait til they revoke net neutrality. Huh? IW is 'owned' by Verizon? Since when? And since when to you 'rent' IW? Time to do some research on Divestiture and the old Bell System. | |
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Skeedatl
Ah, push it - push it real good
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The Cloud
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| No different from my DirecTV service...and I LEASE their equipment.
If my D* DVR takes a crap, I eat it. If my LNB goes bad, I eat it. | |
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | Re: interesting comments so far They'll give you a free new one but renew your account for another 2 years. If it's the LNB they'll charge you a service call for a tech to replace it. Or you can pay $5.99/month and everything's completely covered. | |
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Skeedatl
Ah, push it - push it real good
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The Cloud | Re: interesting comments so far I was told by DTV that unless I have the $6/mo deal, I eat the DVR no matter what. Since I would already be a subscriber I wouldn't even be entitled to a discounted DVR. | |
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Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD | So don't patronize them. | |
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| Corydon
Cultivant son jardin
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Denver, CO
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| That's one thing I do have to say about Comcast. When I have needed a tech to come out to fix things, they've never charged me for the trip, even when it turned out to be something inside my house. Of course it was all their installation work, but still, I've never gotten the "inside wiring" excuse.
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codee
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Minneapolis, MN
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| said by rit56 :the inside wiring thing is a perfect example. they wire it into your home and they own it. you rent it from them. so if it breaks and if you don't buy insurance than you have to pay them to repair their faulty equipment? Lets not fool ourselves here....Inside wiring (Coax, Cat3, cat5, etc) DOESN'T just cease to stop working on its own. There has to be some form of influence from somebody or something to cause it to have a problem. Outside cabling could have a problem from the elements, especially if a animal such as a gopher, squirrel, rabbit, etc chews on the line to cause damage. Additionally the equipment is fairly solid aswell, but as its electronic things can and do go wrong occasionally from time to time. I currently have Comcast and Dish Network, and neither of them have charged me for problems not caused by me. By that I mean as long as I didnt drill through a cable inside the house, try to move stuff around on my own, or anything similar, any problems have always been fixed for free. Comcast had to replace the line to my house once, and replace a outlet in my basement once. No charge either time. Dish had to replace a LNB that retained water everytime it rained, and they also replaced a VIP622 DVR once as well and I wasnt charged for those jobs either time.
I do agree that the $90 to show up and $180 a hour is overly excessive, but that information is readily available when you sign up for service and if you didn't like the terms/prices at that point in time, that would have been a great time to not get the services installed. | |
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| fivepairpath
join:2007-09-09
| If the wire is in your house, you own it. The wire contract is only a insurance policy. A company would never go to a house and rip out the wires just becuase you dont have the service anymore. They only own the wire feeding the nid outside. After that its all you. It is a little peace of mind when you do have trouble that it has only cost you the amount of the wire contract than say 75$ per new IW to be reran then 25$ to wire the jack them maybe so much $$ per hour that the tech is there. Here is a thought, if you knew how to do the work, you wouldnt be calling the phone company to fix it. | |
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Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
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| How much is their inside wiring plan?
That 90 bucks is going to be a tough sell to folks who even have a problem with Comcasts 24.95.
As I've noted in the past..while I respect what Verizon is doing with Fios and think the competition is good for all concerned..one of their main problems is going to be who exactly is going to pay for it? FTTH is EXPENSIVE when it comes to the roll out of it and while they seem to be doing well in signing up subscribers compared to that other white meat Telco one still has to ask themselves..is it enough?
1.8 million customers at last count, combined with their continual loss of landlines can't have anyone in the Verizon executive suites feeling too warm and fuzzy about this 20 Billion dollar price tag.
Is FTTH "better" technologically when compared to the cable co's fttn/coaxial networks? Perhaps. But better doesn't necessarily translate into mass market appeal if it's not combined with mass market pricing...especially if consumers can't really see nor appreciate the differences.
In addition, the cable industry is aggressively going after their "fiber" angle with their own advertising and making note (rightfully I believe)..that they have had more of it for a lot longer than Verizon ever did.
That then begs the question..do fios customers accept 90.00 service calls and whatever associated price increases and premiums that might come their way?
There is..I believe..the real risk of fios becoming a niche product if they can't evenly compete on price head to head with the cable competition. And that will include everything from triple play pricing to service calls. 90.00 is simply too much for the average consumer to pay to get their service working. A service they're paying for anyway. On the other hand, I think comcasts 24.95 which is charged here is very generous especially considering the techs time and price of gas alone these days. Somewhere in the middle seems reasonable.
Anyways..we'll see how it goes. Fios is a good thing for people and nice to have the competition and choice for consumers. Will it wind up being a real competitive force?
I think the jury is still out on that one and it's really going to depend on how well Verizon can hold the line on pricing.
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Elf Wizard
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| Re: How much is their well FTTH is better then their existing copper pair and the fridge sized VDSL solution of AT&T im also guessing due to the existing CO and DSLAM design it was easier for VZ to retrofit in fios then it was to build out a DOCSIS 3.0 HFC network.
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| Rick- The question of who has more fiber in their network? Comcast web site last year has comcast with 126,000 route miles of fiber. Verizon web site has verizon with 600,000 route miles of fiber. Verizon in 2001 before MCI or the start of FIOS Verizon had 8.3 million miles of fiber 1.5 million of that in N.J. and if my math is right they have more in just N.J than comcast whole network. | |
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join:2005-07-26
Santa Monica, CA
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| Re: How much is their whatever. I've been working on a FIOS order for almost a YEAR now. Verizon is so incredibly dysfunctional. They actually installed the wrong equipment (motorola MDU) only to tell me oh we are in Alcatel CO territory and they dont have a deployed MDU yet. Maybe I should put the stuff on Ebay  | |
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| Re: How much is their Hi Rick. I can't get the link to work but if you google Verizon investment in new jersey communications network tops $1 billion this year december 26 2001. It's Verizon web site from 2001. you will read " Verizon has 8.3 million fiber miles in 2001,not fiber route miles but fiber miles and it has 1.5 million in N.J. | |
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| Re: How much is their Rick . I apologize,Its just to many years ago,the links just don"t work. Rick please try one last time. »www.verizon.com/about/. lower right of the page find "NEWS ARCHIVE" than in the keywords box put ---- tops 1 billion this year --- It"s the 2nd item. | |
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| ProFiOSDude
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join:2005-05-27
Chesapeake, VA | That's why I pay $5 a month for the wire maintenance plan.
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abslte18
join:2001-11-28
San Juan, PR
clubs: | blah this guy is full of it # 4 is false! | |
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| Re: blah said by abslte18 :this guy is full of it # 4 is false! he is mostly full of it, but not all.
#4 --- i've been called by the drc while they have an fsc rep on the other line asking about an eta or to give me another cbr.
#3. yes it's $90/hr where i'm at to fix YOUR wiring. they're REGULATED charges. ymmv. here, i can write off a repair to a $25 trip charge (there's the problem sir - plug it back in - or pay me $90 to do it). otherwise, i think $90 is a legitimate charge to fix YOUR stuff. it costs vz much more than my $30 hr take home pay to cover a truck roll to your house. vz is NOT making money off of wire repair.
#2. half truth. we'll set up wireless anywhere, but always with the disclaimer that wireless can be tricky business and your on your own if you have range/interference issues. you always have the option to wire your station.
#1. of course your line is buried. true - 6" sometimes, and in some areas the puc requires at least 12". ymmv. but it still is YOUR responsibility to call for a free locate. it's the law.
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join:2001-11-28
San Juan, PR
clubs: | Re: blah Regarding # 4. They same can or does happen with DSL. The DSL people have direct lines to the DRC. That is what I was talking about. | |
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brooklynman4
join:2004-09-07
Brooklyn, NY | Re: blah Either way u gonna still lose to higher ends if u bash or not . | |
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BioGeek
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join:2007-08-25
West Orange, NJ
·Verizon FIOS
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| About the buried line I don't know about any other states, but here in NJ I have seen houses that have gotten a buried fiber feed and it has always been in an orange conduit. It just looked like a plastic tube that the fiber was in, but still it was bright orange. Bright orange screams-please don't hit me and cut me. The only way it seems possible to have the fiber not in conduit (at least legally) in NJ is to have a fully underground rated cable. Even then there should be tape buried immediately above it to notify diggers that it is there, but that is moreso for live electrical lines. The orange conduit serves the same warning.
Even without the conduit and even on your own property you should remember the golden rule of call before you dig. Put it this way if you dig in your yard and hit a utility line of any kind because you did not call for a mark out, not only are you responsible for the repair, but you may be eligible for jail time or heavy finesin some states. It does not matter that it is your own property, what matters is that you hit a buried utility because you did not call before you dug.
I remember having this debate with someone on here months ago who had a sprinkler system damaged. Basically asked him if he saw all the other utilities marked out. He said yeah, this guy came with a scanner and sprayed it all out.
I said good, did you think to do the same with your sprinkler system of PLASTIC pipe that only you know where it is? Of course he didn't. Something to note people, if you have installed your own underground wiring (like to lamps and such) sprinkler systems and the like that were not installed by a utility, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MARK IT OUT! Now, to be honest, the ditch digging team should be able to notice and stay clear of such things, often able to route, over, under or around these obstacles.
Utilites and mark out companies are only responsible for lines up to your meter. Anything considered to be on the customer side of the meter is your responsibility. You are not likely to get fined if they hit your invisible fence wire or even the sprinkler system. However if damage occurs to the digger because of (lets say your buried electric lines) the excavation contractor may choose to go after you for costs or simply file it with his/her insurance. As a homeowner, you do not fall under the full laws and requirements of the call before you dig regulations, however, you are also not as protected as utilities are. The same law the requires the utilities to mark out is the same law that protects them when their marked out lines are hit.
But then again, they do have a ditch machine roaring and little things like invisible fence wires....they don't even make a ditch witch flinch. Moral of the story is, when the mark out happens, get your butt off that darn couch and get outside and mark out your crap. Invisible fence wires (consider breaking it and getting it out of the way for now), underground electrical wires to lamps and the like, sprinkler systems (particularly plastic ones) and anything else you may have buried in the path of the fiber line coming in.
In good will, they may cover the repairs for damage done, but do not mistake that to mean that they are required to. If you fail to mark out your stuff, it is your responsibility when it is hit and damaged. Just like in the future when the water company comes to do something, if VZ doesn't respond to the call for the mark out and that fiber gets damaged, it is VZ's fault for not responding to the legally required mark out. In NJ, there are organizations that do mark outs for all Utilities so that would fall on that organization.
If you are getting a buried FIOS install, learn the path they want to take, communicate with the diggers if you are there when the come, tell them about your stuff and its location or mark it out clearly, even better, move what you can out of the dig path. Follow at least some of that and all will be well. They aren't mind readers, they need to know something is there to really avoid it.
Also interesting to note that across the street from me a exterminator was going to treat a house. He called for a mark out using Onecall 1-800-272-1000 in NJ and had them mark out the property. All he was doing was installing those little plastic repellant things around the property, but he didn't want to miss or not miss anything.... | |
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