FiOS All-IP Network Within Three YearsThough FiOS users might not notice at first... ( old news - 03:29PM Monday Sep 24 2007) tags: Fiber · business · telcoVerizon FiOS is now two years old, and Verizon's vice president of FiOS TV content strategy and acquisition Terry Denson tells Light Reading the carrier's mission isn't to have exclusive content, but a better network. He touches on the fact that Verizon will be shifting to an all-IP network within three years, though the website notes that it might not be apparent from the consumer end: Cable companies and services like Verizon's FiOS send broadcast video to customers, but IPTV, in contrast, runs on a request-and-send architecture. The provider does not have to send 50 Mbit/s of bandwidth to a customer's home if his computer and TVs are off. The old cable architecture, however, is constantly feeding the home whether the consumer is there to use it or not. Cable's answer to this problem is switched digital video, which will hold TV channels at the edge router until needed, conserving bandwidth. Verizon says their shift to all-IP will allow them to offer more interactive content, as well as give them more information on what consumers are watching -- allowing tailored ads (yipee) and content. Can we get those billing systems straightened out now?
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 guardfrog
join:2004-08-27
Dallas, TX | Costs? So, the switch to all-IP means that they're going to replace their current network equipment and nearly all existing CPE, right? How much more will this cost on top of their ~$30b network upgrade plans? | |
|  | dak70
join:2007-05-01
Warminster, PA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Costs? said by guardfrog  :So, the switch to all-IP means that they're going to replace their current network equipment and nearly all existing CPE, right? How much more will this cost on top of their ~$30b network upgrade plans? Actually, Verizon delivers VOD via IPTV now. The existing network and equipment can handle IPTV. That was the point of putting in a "~$30b network" to begin with. It can be upgraded quickly and cheap. | |
| | KingofCola
join:2007-02-07
Greer, SC | IPTV - Sounds like they are admitting AT&T was right on the format. Now just fire up VDSL and start installing the millions of MDU's already past. | |
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hbo kid
@verizon.net | their cable boxes are already IP capable, which is how they currently deliver VOD. | |
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prestonlewis
Premium,MVM
join:2003-04-13
Sacramento, CA | Bigger AT&T The debt from this should push Verizon into a target for a takeover. Anyone smell the "new" (actually the old SBC) AT&T getting bigger in a few years? | |
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morbo
Complete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
00000
clubs: | Re: Bigger AT&T are you serious?
AT&T has its own, almost insurmountable problems: supporting their u-verse system's voice, tv, and internet over an aging and maintenance heavy copper network. | |
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ropeguru
Premium
join:2001-01-25
Hollywood, FL
clubs:
| said by prestonlewis :The debt from this should push Verizon into a target for a takeover. Anyone smell the "new" (actually the old SBC) AT&T getting bigger in a few years? They always say history repeats itself...
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| | jjeffeory
join:2002-12-04
USA
| What are you smoking? AT&T sucks. Verizon will be fine. They'll simply raise rates some more. I don't like it, but Verizon's solution is much better than AT&Ts. The thing is, they CAN go IPTV with bandwidth to spare. AT&T is doing it with not enough bandwidth. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: So FIOS... only where FiOS already exists.
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| | | cwh
join:2006-05-14
San Antonio, TX | Re: So FIOS... I think it is actually only where fios is installed. IF you are still on pots or dsl, you are still on copper. Verizon is having to maintain both copper and fiber networks. | |
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Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
clubs:
| Re: So FIOS... said by cwh :Verizon is having to maintain both copper and fiber networks. And AT&T is having to maintain copper, their CEO's salary and shareholders profits.
I guess everyone has something to maintain when you get right down to it...eh?
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: So FIOS... all new developments are FTTH.
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| tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| priorities, priorities... 1. Fix Billing System
2. Lower prices
2. Upgrade bpon to gpon (rev3)
3. Firmware upgrade all PPPOE to Dynamic IP
4. Swap out/upgrade RF cable boxes for IP cable boxes.
Also, when it comes to their Fiber TV, they need to fix the cable box lag, as what they have now is slow and buggy. | |
| | flashcore
join:2007-01-23
Lutherville Timonium, MD
| Re: priorities, priorities... said by tmc8080 :1. Fix Billing System 2. Lower prices 2. Upgrade bpon to gpon (rev3) 3. Firmware upgrade all PPPOE to Dynamic IP 4. Swap out/upgrade RF cable boxes for IP cable boxes. Also, when it comes to their Fiber TV, they need to fix the cable box lag, as what they have now is slow and buggy. The lag problem is caused by the slow processors and lack of memory in the motorola STB, that is why Verizon put a RFP out for someone to build custom STB's to replace the motorola crap and to enable pure IPTV, the 3 year time line coincides with this since it will take them at least 3 years to design, build and replace all of the motorola boxes they currently have out there with whatever the new box will be especially if they have to send a tech out to every home to do so. | |
| | DMS1
join:2005-04-06
Carrollton, TX
| said by tmc8080 :4. Swap out/upgrade RF cable boxes for IP cable boxes. The existing boxes already support IPTV. I suspect they could implement 100% IPTV with a firmware upgrade without you even knowing. | |
| | | tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| Re: priorities, priorities... said by DMS1 :said by tmc8080 :4. Swap out/upgrade RF cable boxes for IP cable boxes. The existing boxes already support IPTV. I suspect they could implement 100% IPTV with a firmware upgrade without you even knowing. Would be a neat trick since I no longer subscribe to FIOS TV.. and this is courtesy of Verizon's billing dept (the POS motorola box was somewhat tolerable, but not a good first impression). A FIOS-TV bill should be FIXED month to month (when no ppv's are ordered), not all over the "IN THE COMPANY'S FAVOR" map.. | |
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brooklynman4
join:2004-09-07
Brooklyn, NY | cable?? Do i smell a cable compnay not fios?? | |
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Jack4888
@rr.com
| Verizon Doesn't DELIVER on Promises! My dealings with Verizon in both Ca and NJ has me fuming. I have been trying to get DSL then FioS and was told for YEARS "It's coming but I don't know when". I lived in Princeton NJ, a high tech center in the state. Look long it took the cable co. to put fiber in the streets. Verizon's track record is very poor in my experience. | |
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Yaco
Yaco
Premium
join:2001-10-13
Allendale, NJ | New Boxes are being bid soon. Hi,
Someone have the link to the article for the new bid on STB's?
Network is already there. The cost should be Gpon's and STB's.
Lee | |
| jgantert
join:2004-06-02
Columbia, MD | TiVo users??? So does that mean all the users buying the TiVo HD boxes because the new IMG is so bad are screwed in 3 years? Ouch, since that box is $300 now, thats $100/year just in hardware costs. | |
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kpfx
join:2005-10-28
Kerrville, TX
 ·RoadRunner Cable
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September 24th, @09:07PM
| Re: TiVo users??? Thats a good point... and it brings up something else.
Tivo's design was awesome but its based on the aging idea that every channel on the network is always being delivered. That way it can pick and choose how to manage all the content and deliver it in a nice presentation layer to you, the end user.
However this shot-gun approach to video delivery is already on its way out. Cable is deploying switched digital and TelcoTV will launching or migrating to IPTV (AT&T, Embarq, and soon FiOS). With the increasing number of available channels, bandwidth intensive VOD services, and amount of HD video the old process of pushing everything down the pipe at once is terribly inefficient.
Now CableLabs has already opened the system for switched digital (SDV) with the new M-Cards and OCAP platform. They've even demonstrated an upgrade path for Tivo on some of their newer recorders to be compatible with SDV.
What we don't see is Tivo, or anybody else, calling for any kind of open standardized access for these new IPTV networks. I think if Tivo really wants to remain viable as a third-party company then they really should be putting the pressure on the FCC to call for a way for 3rd party devices to interact on these IPTV networks like they can on cable's SDV. | |
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avd706
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Great Neck, NY | Re: TiVo users??? The next-gen TiVo will work with whatever technology the cable companies are using.
The beauty of TiVo is the UI. There really isn't anything special about the hardware, especially if it is using a cablecard tuner. | |
| benc
Premium
join:2007-06-17
Glen Carbon, IL
·Charter Pipeline
 ·Future Nine Corpor..
·Callcentric
 ·AT&T Midwest
| Am I The Only One Frightened By Such An Idea? To do everything, or nearly everything over IP sounds like a bad idea. This means that if the one connection goes out, you lose everything.
Do you really want to run almost everything over a single line? I know that I wouldn't want to.
It also scares me because most of these "residential-grade" services are "best effort," which is another way of saying "if it goes down, we'll take out sweet time to fix it." I may feel better about it if such connections were tightly regulated, meaning that the connection will have to be fixed ASAP, regardless of labor or overtime pay issues.
Can you really stand the idea of having NOTHING for DAYS, or in some cases, WEEKS?
After all, "Don't put all your eggs in one basket." | |
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Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
clubs:
| Re: Am I The Only One Frightened By Such An Idea? I really don't understand your point. Everyone, whether it's cable, fios or uverse..is delivering their service via a single line and so they're all prone to having that go out.
Out of the three though, I think that AT&T clearly and without doubt has the most risk with their reliance on their last mile old copper network.
It served them well for a long time when it was just landlines we were talking about, but even with DSL..it's limitations became clear. I'm simply at a loss as to how they now want to deliver hdtv..hsi and voice all in one via it.
And, I think the mere fact they're even trying to do so shows their desperation to be anything at all in this game at this point.
The problem with that is I just think the simple fact of the matter is the vast majority of people don't want it.
And those numbers are now starting to become more than painfully evident. Two and one half million people can now reportedly get the service. And a whopping 100,000 took it.
And that INCLUDES their own corporate backyard and all the employees they've probably shoved this down their throats too.
Think about it. If their goal is to pass 18 million homes..at that rate they'll wind up with 700,000 customers nationwide for this new next generation disaster of theirs.
I had hopes that their new CEO might have a brain in his head when it comes to this writing on the wall, but I guess not.
Docsis 3.0 is coming. FIOS is here.
What the hell is AT&T Uverse in the face of all that?
Plan the funeral now folks. Order the casket..and the flowers.
This funerals going to be a doozy.
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| | | tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| Re: Such An Idea? said by Rick :I really don't understand your point. Everyone, whether it's cable, fios or uverse..is delivering their service via a single line and so they're all prone to having that go out. Out of the three though, I think that AT&T clearly and without doubt has the most risk with their reliance on their last mile old copper network. It served them well for a long time when it was just landlines we were talking about, but even with DSL..it's limitations became clear. I'm simply at a loss as to how they now want to deliver hdtv..hsi and voice all in one via it. And, I think the mere fact they're even trying to do so shows their desperation to be anything at all in this game at this point. The problem with that is I just think the simple fact of the matter is the vast majority of people don't want it. And those numbers are now starting to become more than painfully evident. Two and one half million people can now reportedly get the service. And a whopping 100,000 took it. And that INCLUDES their own corporate backyard and all the employees they've probably shoved this down their throats too. Think about it. If their goal is to pass 18 million homes..at that rate they'll wind up with 700,000 customers nationwide for this new next generation disaster of theirs. I had hopes that their new CEO might have a brain in his head when it comes to this writing on the wall, but I guess not. Docsis 3.0 is coming. FIOS is here. What the hell is AT&T Uverse in the face of all that? Plan the funeral now folks. Order the casket..and the flowers. This funerals going to be a doozy. Uverse is a poorly planned delivery system, this is why Bell Atlantic (core of Verizon) vaporized the idea in 1996-2000, instead laying the central office fiber under ground where possible.. in the northeast. Sooner or later DSL must be extricated and removed from the last mile and central offices.. no one will want to buy it as it will be so obsolete and fiber so dirt cheap by that time.
The ONLY thing working to AT&T's advantage so far is the majority of cable companies in AT&T's footprint are taking few, if any competitive steps (price or otherwise), giving AT&T flexibility: call it breathing room or rope to hang itself on a network that is at least 50% obsolete by the time it's fully deployed. By that time, should AT&T decide to bring down prices,, whamo.. DOCSIS 3.0 or cheaply upgraded 2.0 systems operate at peak efficiency forcing further upgrades to fiber at higher cost. Of course these competitive steps won't happen for 4-7 years..
AT&T will learn Bell Atlantic's lesson the hard way that DSL's time has past, after they pour a moderate fortune into the technology. This analogy works: pouring money into DSL is as close as you can get to rebuilding an engine/transmission to a 20 year old Japanese car (ie. Nissan). You can also bet half of this money comes from Bell South revenues.
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| | | | cwh
join:2006-05-14
San Antonio, TX
| Re: Such An Idea? The only problem with your theory is you have to assume that fttn has no upgrade path. You have to assume dsl does not get faster and more than likely it will. You have to assume they wont deploy more fiber where needed. You have to assume that fiber will be more expensive in the future, which verizon is showing the cost of deploying fiber is going down, not up.
The was a recent quote from the cox ceo saying the threat from telco tv is real from both verizon and ATT. | |
| | | ncbill
Premium
join:2007-01-23
Winston Salem, NC
·AT&T Southeast
| Re: Am I The Only One Frightened By Such An Idea? You must be joking.
Cable fails when the wind blows here.
Probably because most cable networks are strung cheaply (aerial), instead of underground (phone).
I suspect the same is true for most of the U.S.
Sure, cable is usually cheaper for the same broadband speed.
But you can't expect the same uptime/reliability with cable as you can with phone company's dialtone/DSL. | |
| | | | vinnie97
join:2003-12-05
Mesquite, TX
| Re: Am I The Only One Frightened By Such An Idea? It all depends on location. TWC has afforded at most 2 service dropouts in the 6 months I've had it, and they lasted for no longer than 5 minutes.
Due to miserable line conditions, I had to keep getting my previous DSL connection trained down to avoid dropouts. | |
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So FIOS...