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Femtocells Are A No Show
And 2010 may not be much better
by Karl Bode Wednesday 18-Nov-2009 tags: coverage · business · wireless · hardware · alternatives
Telecompetitor directs our attention to a study by ABI Research that indicates that femtocell shipments this year have been well, less than impressive. The technology, which creates essentially a micro-cell tower in the home, helps with coverage issues by allowing users to make calls over their home broadband connection. They're useful to carriers, in that they ease strain on local towers, but so far many operators have done a pretty poor job marketing the devices to users or offering consumer value in pricing models. For whatever reason ABI poo poo's the value issues, and instead blames the recession:

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While some observers say femtocells have yet to prove their value, Kaul points to a combination of other factors: the general economic malaise, which makes the $150 pricetag of an unsubsidized femtocell harder to swallow; the time operators need to get their systems and networks ready for a femtocell deployment and to devise innovative pricing plans; a fear in some quarters that a rapid increase in femtocell numbers would cause interference in the macro network.

It's hard to blame femtocell's slow adoption on the economy or getting the services deployed. Many carriers already offer femtocells but they only offer them to customers who call in to complain about coverage issues. And frankly some of the pricing models are just absurd; Verizon's femtocell pricing plan eats away at your wireless minutes even tough you're making the wireless call over your own broadband connection. Again, where's the value?

ABI predicts things could improve slightly in 2010 for the well-hyped technology, but that shipments will still be 40% lower than earlier predictions. That of course means a shake out among smaller femtocell vendors who actually listened to firms like ABI back in 2006 when they declared femtocells would be the hottest thing in telecom since the Hayes compatible.

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powerspec88
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I want one.

But I don't think ATT offers it nation wide yet. Only get ~2 bars of EDGE out where I live, but I've had Sprint EV-DO REV. A for 3 years now :/
verta

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UMA

I will pay extra for a UMA phone. I don't need another box with an antenna in my house. Lots of folks who would want this already have wifi.

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said by verta:

I will pay extra for a UMA phone. I don't need another box with an antenna in my house. Lots of folks who would want this already have wifi.
which is what makes femtocells so... pointless...

T-Mobile has been using UMA for home coverage for years now. Oh, and they DONT make you buy their router or femotcell. Just get a UMA capable phone and use your existing wifi for better coverage. Pay $10/mo and you get unlimited calling too.

Much better deal than Sprint/ATT/VZW are offering.
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I also like UMA because you don't need anything "extra". My parents have T-Mobile, but live in the sticks with poor coverage. I got them cheap UMA phones (without the $10/umlim) and works great. Now they have 5 "bars" at home and no extra monthly fee, and no equipment to buy (unless you don't have WiFi already).

baineschile
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Re: I want one.

Its a moot technology already. By 2010, LTE and 5g coverage will be more dominant, and there will be no need for these

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Re: I want one.

said by baineschile:

Its a moot technology already. By 2010, LTE and 5g coverage will be more dominant, and there will be no need for these
So you think that these technologies will eliminate coverage problems indoors in all areas. I think not.

en102
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For most, not worth it.

To make this useful they have to:

1. Make ALL calls over microcell 'free', assuming you have a standard post-paid plan
2. Make the devices very cheap (~$50 or less)
3. Free with broadband + cell plan on boradband service.
4. Unlimited data while on microcell.

UMA is a more practical approach if all cellphones came with WiFi.
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jmt380

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Re: For most, not worth it.

I would go even further than that.

Since *MY* broadband connection is now alleviating strain on *THEIR* cell tower network, the device should be free and I should receive a credit on my monthly cell phone bill.

Why should I pay anything to fix a problem with their cell coverage?
KillABrew

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Re: For most, not worth it.

Yeah...its their problem!!! Why should I have to pay..this sucks...I expect to have 4 bars everywhere I go.

Sure, lets put cell towers everywhere. Do you have space in your backyard for one? Do you want it there? Do your neighbors want it there? Lets put them on every street corner (oh wait, there were payphones there at onetime and now they are gone).

Get a satellite phone…oh wait, its cloud outside I can’t use it. I have tree in the line of sight. There is a building in the way. And yes, I have one and we have those problems

Its not perfect.

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Re: For most, not worth it.

Yes - I do want them to put a cell tower in my backyard. You do know they pay something ridiculous like 85% of your property taxes - at a minimum - and will usually give you some other financial incentive ($$) and I personally know someone who has Spring unlimited service - for life.

They can put as many towers in my backyard as they like!!!

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Re: For most, not worth it.

Do you have an HOA?

fcisler
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Re: For most, not worth it.

Absolutely not! Would have NEVER bought the house had I!

I know they'd never be interested in a cell tower in my yard, though. My friend a short distance away has a farm and they put one there.

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I know someone who has a US Cellular site on their property and gets $1000 a month to rent it to them!
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Bingo!

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said by en102:

To make this useful they have to:

1. Make ALL calls over microcell 'free', assuming you have a standard post-paid plan
2. Make the devices very cheap (~$50 or less)
3. Free with broadband + cell plan on boradband service.
4. Unlimited data while on microcell.

UMA is a more practical approach if all cellphones came with WiFi.
I completely understand your point of view. However...

you do realize that a carrier's radio network is only half of the network used to complete calls. Femto's only replicate that localized radio network portion.

The calls still go back to the wireless carrier's switching network and are completed on their facilities.

The same goes for the data as well. The data sessions go back to the carrier's switching network and are completed like a regular session on their cellular network.
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en102
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Re: For most, not worth it.

Yes - I am aware.

However, think of it this way...
VoIP calls are typically dirt cheap. Since I'm providing the most expensive part of the infrastructure (last mile), AND I have a monthly cell bill anyways (for those times that I'm using the radio network), I don't see the issue.

Skype to landline = $36/year. Why should microcell to landline be much more ?

Microcells aren't popular because they're essentially double dipping where coverage is not good, or doesn't exist (due to cost, location or otherwise).
People don't 'need' them, and as they're cost prohibitive, I would switch carriers rather than use one.
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and your point is?
No offense, but I want to understand what you're getting at before I make a complete comment.

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said by jjeffeory:

and your point is?
No offense, but I want to understand what you're getting at before I make a complete comment.
My point is that 95% of the people out there complaining about a very small portion of the entire call string is also using their high speed bandwidth.
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Agreed. Good comments. It really helps the wireless carrier the most. It keeps a customer for them and it takes strain of of their network. Why would they try and charge the customer for that? I can see, perhaps, charging the customer for the cost of the device. Otherwise, EVERYTHING a business does DOES NOT need to be a profit center. If they want to justify the "costs" they can look at it as helping out in other areas of their business where they are lacking such as coverage.

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What is the point?

There are very few areas where you cannot get a weak signal using an antenna and cell booster to ge a signal in your house.
If you can't get a signal outside your house then you why would you even have a cell phone?

The only benefit to these internet femtocells is if you could use it anywhere you had an internet connection, especially traveling internationally. GPS locking these devices makes them worthless.
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Re: What is the point?

gps spoofing however , makes it quite useful

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Re: What is the point?

As soon as I can get one for regular price I will hack it.
Dynamic GPS spoofers are very expensive, I wonder if you can make a mini transmitter with a eeprom that will constantly broadcast a recording of a GPS signal.

Otherwise I am going to try and solder in a serial cable to the internal GPS device and then use one of those free or cheap GPS spoofer softwares that will send out fake NMEA data over a serial port.
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Re: What is the point?

Actually they can run a code to inject a little range into the buffer unless you disable it , it just feeds the buffer a constant lat long you put in.

With a small random swing don't want them looking to perfect
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Depending on how the carrier deploys their product, GPS doesn't necessarily lock down the Femto to the user's home address.

It would merely secure it to an address that can be verified, like for E911 purposes.

YMMV however, that's all up to the carrier.
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r81984
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Re: What is the point?

The GPS locks it down to an area where they have an FCC license to broadcast. Thus if you take it out the USA it will not work.
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Re: What is the point?

Agreed, that probably is going to be a factor.

Assuming you can get around that, I wonder how much of a factor long distance internet latency might play a role in Femto performance while in a data or voice session.

The carrier's IP gateway will still ostensibly be in the US somewhere. If someone were to take the Femto to Europe say, and somehow override the GPS, I wonder if latency would be an issue.
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Re: What is the point?

The audio for a GSM cell phone is only recorded at 13 kbit/s or less and latency is not really going to perceivable even on a satellite connection. Just in travel time alone to the farthest you could travel on earth your latency would be 101 ms + equipment latency + any satellite latency.
No matter where you are the latency should be under 1 second so it will basically not matter.
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Corona
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Re: What is the point?

Is that a 3G voice session bitrate?

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said by Corona:

Is that a 3G voice session bitrate?
UTMS codec is variable based on link conditions from 1.8 to 12.2 kbit/s
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Let's put it this way.

I took a demo unit to South America , I needed to keep my Verizon phone active , It worked great in Brazil Venezuela and Colombia.

Matter of fact , with a wimax modem , and a laptop I was able to fly fish and still be logged into a shell in a boat almost 1 mile into the flats in Santa Marta Colombia, while talking a noc tech through replacing some critical hardware on my vzw phone.

300 ms ping times to the pop where Verizon was grabbing my calls. I had 250 ms pings to miami vpn then between 50 and 100 to the verizon pop where they were taking the traffic.

Not an issue , besides for a tech asking stupid questions about why both power supplies should be shut off to do a motherboard swap
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r81984
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Re: What is the point?

Getting your cell phone to work in another country is the best use of this device.

That is nice that verizon does not gps lock their devices like ATT does.
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Re: What is the point?

No the verizon one is actually constrained by gps as well.

just have to beat it

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said by r81984:

There are very few areas where you cannot get a weak signal using an antenna and cell booster to ge a signal in your house.
If you can't get a signal outside your house then you why would you even have a cell phone?

The only benefit to these internet femtocells is if you could use it anywhere you had an internet connection, especially traveling internationally. GPS locking these devices makes them worthless.
So I can use it in the car and other places. I am surrounded by hills and in a basement condo so my reception is poor to non exisitent depending on where I am in my condo.
With the Femtocell, I was able to drop my landline and only use my cell phone at home since I now have excellent coverage around the entire building with my Verizon Femtocell.
I have no problem with it using my minutes. I'm glad there is a solution that's easier than messing with a booster. And since I'm on FIOS I also have no bandwidth issues. Not that the 80kbs a phone call on the femtocell uses would even cause a problem.

the cost of the Verizon femtocell was well worth it in my situation. And also allowed me to drop my landline saving me several hundred a year.

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Re: What is the point?

said by aaronwt:

said by r81984:

There are very few areas where you cannot get a weak signal using an antenna and cell booster to ge a signal in your house.
If you can't get a signal outside your house then you why would you even have a cell phone?

The only benefit to these internet femtocells is if you could use it anywhere you had an internet connection, especially traveling internationally. GPS locking these devices makes them worthless.
So I can use it in the car and other places. I am surrounded by hills and in a basement condo so my reception is poor to non exisitent depending on where I am in my condo.
With the Femtocell, I was able to drop my landline and only use my cell phone at home since I now have excellent coverage around the entire building with my Verizon Femtocell.
I have no problem with it using my minutes. I'm glad there is a solution that's easier than messing with a booster. And since I'm on FIOS I also have no bandwidth issues. Not that the 80kbs a phone call on the femtocell uses would even cause a problem.

the cost of the Verizon femtocell was well worth it in my situation. And also allowed me to drop my landline saving me several hundred a year.
All I am saying that a booster would have solved your problem and would have cost about the same. Sure you would have to of ran an antenna, but the result would have been the same.

Cell phones have been around a long time so if people wanted cell service they would have a booster already. The only people who would not have boosters are those that have recently moved and did not get around to getting one yet to get a signal in their house.
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Re: What is the point?

said by r81984:

said by aaronwt:

said by r81984:

There are very few areas where you cannot get a weak signal using an antenna and cell booster to ge a signal in your house.
If you can't get a signal outside your house then you why would you even have a cell phone?

The only benefit to these internet femtocells is if you could use it anywhere you had an internet connection, especially traveling internationally. GPS locking these devices makes them worthless.
So I can use it in the car and other places. I am surrounded by hills and in a basement condo so my reception is poor to non exisitent depending on where I am in my condo.
With the Femtocell, I was able to drop my landline and only use my cell phone at home since I now have excellent coverage around the entire building with my Verizon Femtocell.
I have no problem with it using my minutes. I'm glad there is a solution that's easier than messing with a booster. And since I'm on FIOS I also have no bandwidth issues. Not that the 80kbs a phone call on the femtocell uses would even cause a problem.

the cost of the Verizon femtocell was well worth it in my situation. And also allowed me to drop my landline saving me several hundred a year.
All I am saying that a booster would have solved your problem and would have cost about the same. Sure you would have to of ran an antenna, but the result would have been the same.

Cell phones have been around a long time so if people wanted cell service they would have a booster already. The only people who would not have boosters are those that have recently moved and did not get around to getting one yet to get a signal in their house.
that is the entire problem, the antenna. To run an antenna is too much work and unsightly. I did try a small booster that worked only within 15 feet, before the Femtocell was available, but even with that it only increased my signal strength by one bar(so I had one or two bars). To have full signal strength I needed a full size antenna outside and high which is unsightly and more expensive, not to mention the cabling that needs to be run.

With the femtocell, I just connected it to one of my existing gigabit ethernet switches, and put the GPS antenna in a window while the femtocell was in a cabinet. Now I get full signal strength anywhere in my condo, and can get a better signal anywhere around the building than I could before the Femtocell.

since I'm surrounded by hills the only way to get a full signal strength is to go to the top of the hill. which is the height the antenna for a booster would need to be.
Which is several feet above the top of my condo unit.
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A repeater or booster will work with anyones phone, CDMA and GSM. A femtocell only works with your phone/phone numbers you program in. Your friends phones can be different tech, or different carrier, or not programed in.

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What if GPS lock isn't the only thing being used to ensure the Femto is operating in the correct geography?
BosstonesOwn

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Re: What is the point?

proxy ? vpn ? lots of ways around it.beating the gps is the hardest.

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Re: What is the point?



depends on what the other method is...
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said by r81984:

There are very few areas where you cannot get a weak signal using an antenna and cell booster to ge a signal in your house.
If you can't get a signal outside your house then you why would you even have a cell phone?
M2M calling with your friends. Some areas/cliques of people are always one particular carrier. In some areas, its ATT or Verizon. No PCSes. The ATT part might have been a 800 mhz Side A company ATT acquired in the 2000s and had a shit network under the old company, and under ATT to this day. In 1984 when 800 band came out, there were 2 carriers for each area. Still is like that to this day. Side B license was handed to the local Baby Bell/LEC, Side A was handed to an independent, Side A carriers were cheaper than the Side B LECs, which often meant Side As had worse coverage than the more cash laden Side B carriers. Corporate/branding wise, Side A/B means nothing anymore, engineering wise, it can mean alot. The engineering decisions done in the 1980s, can still be felt to this day.

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Verizon: No but AT&T: Yes

I can buy one in the local Verizon store, but I don't need one, I have great coverage in my house. When I had AT&T I would have jumped at the chance to buy one, because my home coverage sucked, but it's not available.
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AlexNYC

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The value is in the signal strenght.

I think the greatest value is in the possibility of having full bars signal strength where you had one or none before. Believe me for people in rural communities with various terrain /read: Rocky Mountains/ it would be a godsend. Now where's that damn AT&T femtocell?
tuminatr

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mots people wont pay for coverage

i know its weird people would rather switch companies than buy something, personally I think the cell providers should use these as a save tool give it at a reduced cost / free to someone if there coverage at home sucks
glinc

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Maybe

Maybe if they offer some kind of discount off your bill every month by buying one of this devices it might work better.
ck9

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I have a femtocell

I have a Verizon femtocell at home. I agree that it would be a better value if it didn't eat your minutes. However, since my cell coverage at home was crap, I had Vonage for about 2 years. Now that I bought a femtocell off Craigslist I canceled Vonage and save $30/month. Since I only paid $120 for the femtocell it paid for itself in 4 months.

I have wifi at home so I don't really care about the crappy data speed. So although it eats my minutes I will take the trade off of cutting my bills by $30/month.

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said by ck9:

I have a Verizon femtocell at home. I agree that it would be a better value if it didn't eat your minutes. However, since my cell coverage at home was crap, I had Vonage for about 2 years. Now that I bought a femtocell off Craigslist I canceled Vonage and save $30/month. Since I only paid $120 for the femtocell it paid for itself in 4 months.

I have wifi at home so I don't really care about the crappy data speed. So although it eats my minutes I will take the trade off of cutting my bills by $30/month.
Don't forget to take into account that when you used Vonage, it didn't count against your VZW minutes. Now those calls are using your minutes. For some people, that might bump them up to a higher rate plan, which diminishes the possible savings.
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Re: I have a femtocell

said by tiger72:

said by ck9:

I have a Verizon femtocell at home. I agree that it would be a better value if it didn't eat your minutes. However, since my cell coverage at home was crap, I had Vonage for about 2 years. Now that I bought a femtocell off Craigslist I canceled Vonage and save $30/month. Since I only paid $120 for the femtocell it paid for itself in 4 months.

I have wifi at home so I don't really care about the crappy data speed. So although it eats my minutes I will take the trade off of cutting my bills by $30/month.
Don't forget to take into account that when you used Vonage, it didn't count against your VZW minutes. Now those calls are using your minutes. For some people, that might bump them up to a higher rate plan, which diminishes the possible savings.
Very true. However, I did take that into account before ditching Vonage. I have been monitoring my minutes closely for the past 4 months and have not found it necessary to upgrade my cell plan. If I did I believe it would be $20 more so I'd be saving only $10/month. Most of my calls are to/from Verizon cell phones which is probably why I don't go over my plan minutes.

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I just moved, and would like one...

I just moved from a home that had great (5 bars) 3G coverage to one that switches between 3G and edge network.

I live out in the country now, on the outskirts of the DFW Metroplex. Spotty cell coverage was a risk I took when I moved out here. I knew that going in.

With my family's particular cell usage patterns, I would definitely get a Femto if one was available to me. I have over 5000 rollover minutes, so I don't care if the calls I make come off my plan.

If I had good 3G coverage in my home, those minutes would come off my plan anyway, so I personally don't see the difference.
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T-Mobile is dumping their UMA

T-Mobile is now phasing out UMA. It's not offered any longer with any of their new plans. I suspect going forward newer phone models from T-Mobile will not be equipped with UMA. I've used it for a couple years and it's great. Helps fill the many, many, many holes in T-Mobiles network (like anywhere that is more than a mile from a major highway). It also works great in buildings that have wifi but are also not cell reception friendly. Big thumbs down to T-Mobile for pulling the plug on UMA.

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Re: T-Mobile is dumping their UMA

said by wdoa:

T-Mobile is now phasing out UMA. It's not offered any longer with any of their new plans. I suspect going forward newer phone models from T-Mobile will not be equipped with UMA. I've used it for a couple years and it's great. Helps fill the many, many, many holes in T-Mobiles network (like anywhere that is more than a mile from a major highway). It also works great in buildings that have wifi but are also not cell reception friendly. Big thumbs down to T-Mobile for pulling the plug on UMA.
no offense, but how does UMA help in rural areas off of highways?

At least where I travel between Missouri, Colorado, and Texas, I find it very difficult to find open wifi for UMA calls in rural areas. Not that it's really necessary. It's 100x easier to simply roam.
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said by wdoa:

T-Mobile is now phasing out UMA. It's not offered any longer with any of their new plans. I suspect going forward newer phone models from T-Mobile will not be equipped with UMA. I've used it for a couple years and it's great. Helps fill the many, many, many holes in T-Mobiles network (like anywhere that is more than a mile from a major highway). It also works great in buildings that have wifi but are also not cell reception friendly. Big thumbs down to T-Mobile for pulling the plug on UMA.
That's not true at all. UMA is on the new Bold 9700. Why did you think they were phasing it out?
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sprint

My apartment is a dead zone for all service regardless of provider. It is an old brick townhouse in between taller old brick townhouses.

Sprint refunded the $100 it cost for the Airave and does not charge me for service. My house has 5 bars all the time now.

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Re: sprint

said by chlen:

My apartment is a dead zone for all service regardless of provider. It is an old brick townhouse in between taller old brick townhouses.

Sprint refunded the $100 it cost for the Airave and does not charge me for service. My house has 5 bars all the time now.
Same here. The Airave works well and I got the credit too.
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Servers

Are these classified as servers from an ISPs TOS? Don't other cell users get to make calls on your broadband connection?

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jay_rm

join:2002-04-12
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no-no-no !

Glad to see people aren't falling for this half-ass attempt by providers to unload over-capacity on to OUR internet accounts !

Fight The Power - no femto-widgets without user compensation !
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Ignorance

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Cost

For someone who has this issue it's a matter of value.

This system costs much less and works better than the repeaters on the market.

This is easily ranted on by people who haven't lived with the issue of no service.
tuminatr

join:2003-03-19
Saint Paul, MN

not sure about that

I know several people who have switched companies because of bad coverage in there house only to find that the other company had bad coverage somewhere else. My friend Bob stitched from Verizon because he had spotty coverage at home. He switched to T-Mobile he payed a $100 termination fee and bought a BB curve (he would have gotten for free at Verizon with his new every 2) paid the activations fees at T-mobile and gave up his 19% monthly employer discount. His service with T-Mobile doesn't work at his office in Burnsville or at his cabin in northern Minnesota.

All because he would not pay $200 for a femtocell for his house, Its strange and I see it alot, I guess I don't understand people
bn1221

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Re: not sure about that

Then he should do the T-Mobile UMA - the Curve offers it - I've used it. I like it!

NOCMan
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They're marketed completely wrong

Companies generally charge you for minutes still, or charge a monthly fee even after charging 199 for the device.

Some also have arbitrary conditions put on them. Verizon only lets you use them in a service area, and/or the must be near a window for a GPS receiver to talk to it etc.

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You guys who are against this are so simple/closed minded.

First - you assume people have a limited amount of minutes.

Second - you assume that people actually care if the FEM uses their bandwidth.

So let me introduce ME.

I have two of these, on sprint.

One at work, one at home.

Sprint sent me BOTH of them for free, and also charges me 10 dollars a month minus a 10 dollar credit.

I also have 1000 peak mins with nights starting at 6.
For people like me, this device is great!!!

NO cell company works at my work.......at my desk. My boss and co workers and head of the place are all jealous that I can use my cell all day at work.

At home sprint service was ok, but sometimes it would drop.

Again, I don't care how much bandwidth it uses, I just care that I have full bars, everywhere, in my house and at my work.

It's a dream come true. Stop being so up tight haters!!
MIKEEEEE

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Re: You guys who are against this are so simple/closed minded.

j3ff.

you're a lucky guy.

my zip is not in the sprint realm.

i got t-mo UMA and they don't have an android UMA device yet.

sprint does and i'm jealous.
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J3ff2 - I'm with you on this. Sprint also gave me an Airave for home use for free with the monthly service cost waived. for most consumers w/residential broadband, the amount of bandwidth the device uses (~40kbit bidirectional for a single call) is a drop in the bucket.

(i don't need one in my office because we've got sprint equipment on-site and i have native EVDO everywhere in the building)

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