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Chipset maker insists that they have plenty of competition
01:05PM Sunday Jun 08 2008 by KathrynV
tags: legal · competition · business · hardware · world
The FTC has been informally investigating chip maker Intel for the past two years because of complaints from competitor AMD that the company is violating anti-trust regulations. That investigation has recently been formalized in order to allow the FTC legal access to Intel documents that have been kept private pending litigation between AMD and Intel. That litigation isn’t expected to go to trial for another two years so the FTC formalized the issue in order to subpoena documents from both parties. Intel says that the company is doing nothing wrong and cites a recent drop in sales as evidence that competition in the industry is as strong as ever. In addition to the U.S. investigation, Intel faces similar charges in other parts of the world.

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devrandom
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Elsewhere..

They've already had the gavel rattled at them in Japan:
»news.zdnet.com/2100-9584-5603204.html

Also in South Korea:
»www.nytimes.com/2008/06/05/busin···ermalink

And supposedly the EU is also investigating whether Intel used things like conditional rebates to stifle competition. Most of the fines so far has been a drop in the bucket (South Korea fined Intel for $25.4 million), but the EU fine could go up to 10% of their profit there ($4.1 billion).

»www.marketwatch.com/news/story/e···4A9CC3D}

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Whiners...

When your product is inferior, and sales slump, in good old America, you can complain to the big bad Government to give you relief, in lieu of really competing on an even ground.
I'm so sick of the losers in the market using 'anti-trust' as the excuse for their failures.
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June 8th, @02:40PM

Re: Whiners...

said by disconnected :

When your product is inferior, and sales slump, in good old America, you can complain to the big bad Government to give you relief, in lieu of really competing on an even ground.
I'm so sick of the losers in the market using 'anti-trust' as the excuse for their failures.
AMD had the better CPU in the 939 days but intel toped them from have dell, hp, apple and others from useing AMD cpus and that slowed AMD down in coming with there quad cores.

Back when apple was talking about going to x86 amd was kicking intel's ass.

They even had better dual cpu systems vs the intel ones with FB-DIMMS and a poor bus with a weak pci-e setup VS the dual amd of the time with lower cost and less heat ECC ram as well the better Hyper Transport bus with alot more pci-e lanes. The nforce pro chipsets of the time of the time had dual pci-e x16 with SLI+ 2 x4 pci-e links with dual gig-e with tcp/ip off load and teaming VS the intel chipset at the time that used FB-DIMMs and had less pci-e lanes then the g5's had also intel used pci-e for part of the NB to SB link and some of the pci-e lanes came from SB in the Mac pro also with AMD you had the choice of useing a few differnt NB chips unlike intel.

The new intel chipset is better but still has parts of old in it and there chipset are still not full pci-e 2.0 the amd ones are.

You can even have a Hyper Transport to pci-x link on there as well.

I said this back when the intel mac pro came out as well.

Apple could of had a system with 2gb of ram 4x512 2 per cpu at the same or lower cost then the mac pro with 1gb of FBDIMM and apple wanted $300 per gig back then.

also Nvidia and ATI that much better on board video then what ended up going in to the mac mini at the time as well.

Apple was useing Hyper Transport in the g5 so why not go to a amd system with 2 cpus and Hyper Transport links?

AMD was also full 64bit back then unlike intel and apple had a few apple system with 32bit intel cpus back then as well.

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said by disconnected :

When your product is inferior, and sales slump, in good old America, you can complain to the big bad Government to give you relief, in lieu of really competing on an even ground.
I'm so sick of the losers in the market using 'anti-trust' as the excuse for their failures.
When your main competitor is giving rebates to the point that you can not get your chips put into computers to the extent that you can not afford to keep up with your competitors upgrades thus squeezing you further out of the market there's a problem. Intel has not been fair in it's competition. Paying a company to carry your product over a competitors is illegal in many countries.

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Re: Whiners...

said by NOCMan See Profile :

said by disconnected :

When your product is inferior, and sales slump, in good old America, you can complain to the big bad Government to give you relief, in lieu of really competing on an even ground.
I'm so sick of the losers in the market using 'anti-trust' as the excuse for their failures.
When your main competitor is giving rebates to the point that you can not get your chips put into computers to the extent that you can not afford to keep up with your competitors upgrades thus squeezing you further out of the market there's a problem. Intel has not been fair in it's competition. Paying a company to carry your product over a competitors is illegal in many countries.
AMD could have done rebates too. Yes, in 2000, they had a better product, and I bought all AMD based systems that year. But the pendulum swings back and forth, and right now, Intel seems to be giving the better bang for the buck.

The government cannot keep punishing industry. If it weren't for the fact that many CEOs are foolishly altruistic, thus have unearned guilt, they would simply close their operations and move to China, taking their jobs with them. That's what I'd do if I were the head of Intel. Let the government get what it sows. Sagging productivity, becoming a third-rate nation in terms of technical development, and a more depressed economy.
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Re: Whiners...

It's very well possible that Intel has a better product now because anti competitive moves by Intel have starved AMD of cash flow and hurt R&D. Who knows but its good something is being looked into. I dont want just one major chip maker because everyone knows what that does for prices. I wish AMD the best of luck.

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Re: Whiners...

ah yes, an example of the ULTIMATE AMD FANBOY.

Mchart
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said by william2943062 :

I will NEVER own a Intel system; unless AMD folds.
Congratulations fine sir, you enjoy wasting your money on brand loyalty.
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said by disconnected :

And on Thursday, Intel was slapped with a $25.4 million fine by the Korea Fair Trade Commission, which accused the semiconductor giant of using hefty rebates to convince Samsung Electronics Co. and other South Korean computer makers to not use central processing units, or CPUs, manufactured by AMD.
The KFTC does not screw around. While the fines seem small, I think its a question of knee-jerk reaction to the exchange rate. I ran across the article about this shortly before catching this one, so heres the link:

»www.infoworld.com/article/08/06/···s_1.html

Since KFTC has no problem going nose to nose with any major corp. that kind of "rebate offering" could almost be seen for what it was: bribery.
Micro$oft and Intel...
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Nothing will come of this, our government hasn't been serious about antitrust in 20 years.
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old_dawg
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Hmm?

In some circles (with the obvious exception of AMD fanbois), Hector Ruiz has come under fire for doing his level best to screw his company into the ground...
Didn't need any assistance from Intel either.
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Re: Hmm?

Barring the marketing blunders what has Hector done specifically? Right now AMD is behind on the R&D/Innovation aspect, which in turn means Intel is churning faster chips. But where does Ruiz fall into play in that being a failing? Is he intentionally misappropriating funds away from development or something?
cornelius785

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Re: Hmm?

perhaps the acquisition of ATI? but that is a whole thread by itself.

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amd

i have never cared for the intel based systems either.
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