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join:2002-09-25 Sussex, NJ | Australia has censors too I think that the FCC should not be looking at Australia because they have that famous internet censor that blocks even legitimate sites too. | |
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join:2006-08-07 Saint Louis, MO | Re: Australia has censors too I am glad they are at least looking at how others are/have done. As far as the censorship thing, do not throw out the baby with the bath water. | |
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join:2006-08-07 Saint Louis, MO | Re: Australia has censors too If you mean ideas about censorship, they already have them. Just look at what New York did with newservers, which essentially spread nation wide.
If you mean in general, I strongly disagree. We need all the ideas we can get. | |
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| Re: Australia has censors too said by Lazlow :If you mean ideas about censorship, they already have them. Just look at what New York did with newservers, which essentially spread nation wide. If you mean in general, I strongly disagree. We need all the ideas we can get. Actually we need to innovate and give the world ideas, not the other way around.
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join:2006-08-07 Saint Louis, MO | Re: Australia has censors too We have been out of the innovation business for a while. Between other countries doing it and us having to import the talent to do things, we really have not done much in the last decade(more?). | |
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| Re: Might as well consult with China.. said by Rob :Australia and their overzealous firewall - we might as well just consult with China on their broadband plan and setup. Agreed-and that is not even including the fact that Australia has some of the world's slowest speeds(some areas can only get around 1 mbit with 128kbit) up. They also cap to death, just like Canada and soon the US. Consulting Australia about broadband is like consulting my granny about Linux  | |
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join:2009-01-13 Baltimore, MD | Not to mention their ridiculous usage caps and allowances as well as shaping for extortionist cost.
Are we really sure AUS is the best place to consult for internet? Think you'd do better looking at Japan. | |
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join:2006-08-07 Saint Louis, MO | Lets look at all the other countries (including China) and see what works/fails. Then use the good for our system. Japan and Korea (as well as many others) would be a great place to start. | |
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| Re: Might as well consult with China.. Pretty unrelated as you could fit most of the EU and Japan/Korea in the boundaries of the USA and still have room left.
Plus, our geography and population density is immensely different on a national scale. --
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join:2009-01-13 Baltimore, MD | Re: Might as well consult with China.. Ah, the classic "Population Density" argument. | |
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| Re: Might as well consult with China.. I think AU has done pretty well in the last decade.
In late '98, early '99, I knew a woman from Melbourne who payed like $50/month for severely capped and congested DIALUP where some days she couldn't even stay connected at all.
Here, we had cable broadband for just a bit more at that time.
I now know many people all around AU who have great connections and they don't seem to mind the price.
I won't get into talking about Telstra though...that's a minefield.  --
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It is related becuase the capacity limits in the US are not an backbone issue (there is plenty of that) it is a last mile issue. Last mile issues are pretty much the same in any country in the world. So how far it is from LA to NY is pretty much irrelevant. What is relevant is how to get the connection between peoples homes and the backbone. | |
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| Regardless... One nationwide fiber optic network connecting every business and home is EXACTLY how it should be.
We should not be limited to choice because of the extreme barriers of entry, nor should we expect every provide to have to dig up our yards, roads, or neighbors yards to give us a service we want because we change providers. | |
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join:2006-08-07 Saint Louis, MO | Re: Regardless... The problem with waiting on technology is that it is a trap. By the time 10GPON(or whatever tech) comes out and is cheap 100GPON(or whatever in next) will be where 10GPON is right now. It is an essentially endless cycle. | |
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join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO | Re: Regardless... Not really. 10GPON is pretty much out already. No use deploying GPON (2.5 Gbps) equipment now. | |
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join:2001-03-05 H2Z | Re: Regardless... And being a fibre based network, doesn't a network upgrade simply involve upgrading the equipment at the endpoints? The fibre itself shouldn't need to be replaced. | |
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| Commentary knocks FCC's Net Neutrality plans
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Let me save you the trouble of reading the 185 numbered paragraphs, 310 footnotes, and three appendices, including separate statements from each of the five commissioners: there's nothing to see here, folks.
If the FCC has any authority to regulate broadband access, it comes from what Genachowski calls the agency's "ancillary jurisdiction." But Comcast has already challenged that jurisdiction, in a lawsuit pending in a federal court of appeals. If the FCC loses that case, the proposed rules may come to a quick demise. In arguing against ancillary jurisdiction, Comcast has found a surprising ally: the Electronic Frontier Foundation. The advocacy group--strong supporters of the principles of neutrality--believes that the commission has no authority to issue these rules without sweeping new authority from Congress. Regulating neutrality under ancillary jurisdiction, the EFF worries, is a cure far worse than the disease; a "power grab that would leave the Internet subject to the regulatory whims of the FCC long after Chairman Genachowski leaves his post."
EFF isn't the only surprising voice calling for caution. Microsoft and Yahoo, leading application providers, have both pulled out of a coalition formed to advance Net neutrality, with Microsoft issuing a statement last year that "Network neutrality is a policy avenue the company is no longer pursuing."
Even if the FCC has the power to issue new rules, there are enough exceptions to render them toothless. All the rules are subject to "reasonable network management" by broadband providers, a sensible limitation that is mentioned (though not yet defined) 66 times in the document. Harvard professor and open-network supporter Lawrence Lessig, who told the press that he was "thrilled" with the FCC proposal, has always believed that "broadband providers should be free...to price consumer access to the Internet differently--setting a higher price, for example, for faster or greater access."
Regulating ahead of a market failure makes little sense when, as everyone acknowledges, the underlying technology for access is evolving rapidly and models for making money in Internet provisioning are still in the early stages of development. The risk of non-neutral behavior is significant, but the cost of regulation and the potential for unintended consequences may be higher. In other words the FCC should keep it's regulatory fingers out of net neutrality until and IF they are needed. And even then they need Congress to approve laws giving them the authority to do so. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page
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| Re: Commentary knocks FCC's Net Neutrality plans Was this an open thread? Hold your powder until there is the inevitable network neutrality post of the day.
But that aside, this article deserves to be mocked, because it ends with the conclusion that the FCC could have solved all these concerns had it just done more to promote broadband over powerline!
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| non-last mile network this is all about the non-last mile nework... though, which company to partner with? the big 3 are at&t, comcast and verizon. the logical position to take would be that it would have to be a partership between all 3... 20% comcast, 20% at&t, 10% verizon. the obvious goal is to make non-last mile bandwidth as plentiful & SATURATED as in the northeast. this means laying NEW FIBER with the fastest switches (multi-terabit over single fiber switching probably is on the cusp of being ready for mass market already--fully automated and non-power/resource consuming when not utilized). still, i'm not sure the US government (with all its current problems) would be onboard with a 50% ownership of this network and giving the companies the option to buy back up to 5% of it's geographical footprint's worth every year (**once it's built AND begins serving customers in the last mile**). what will be exciting is when these new 14-25tbit switches enter the picture instead of 40-100gige switches. that will enable 100/100+ mbit connections across a wider geography than once possible than just 8 years ago with fewer actual cables needing to be deployed. | |
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Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't congress pass a bill in the early 90's that allowed carriers to tax consumers for the purpose of deploying a fiber optic network across America. And didn't a congressional committee determine in 2008 that we have already paid 250% of the estimated cost of that network? I oppose anything other than ending that tax and forcing the carriers to build the entire network we already paid for and nothing less. | |
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