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| Re: Abuse of power well if the companies and universities set this up and are ticked off required to pay for it aren't they going to buy the cheapest equipment available and use the smallest amount of resources on it? So it could be more vulnerable to hackers. How pays for the added datacenter cooling and added electricity? IS that a forced tax? What about the amount of space they need for these devices? They may be paying the same amount in property tax but they are in fact reducing the available productive space to operate. hey they did it in china i guess it was only a matter in time before it came to the US. (half joking) | |
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| Re: Abuse of power said by King P :You can say that again. The FCC mandates radio airwaves...THAT'S IT. Since when did they become Dubya's personal bully...well, I guess that would technically be in 2000. Hmmmm...But if I recall correctly it was HillaryBill Clinton who signed the law that the FCC is applying. Oh well....I guess it all depends on how you define....
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| Re: Abuse of power said by RayW :said by King P :You can say that again. The FCC mandates radio airwaves...THAT'S IT. Since when did they become Dubya's personal bully...well, I guess that would technically be in 2000. Hmmmm...But if I recall correctly it was HillaryBill Clinton who signed the law that the FCC is applying. Oh well....I guess it all depends on how you define.... true! very true.
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| Re: well... said by Fatal Vector :Federal COMMUNICATIONS Commission. They have whatever power congress gives them so to enforce whatever mandates and laws they have to. Since ISP's are in the business of electronic COMMUNICATIONS and congress needs someone to enforce the wiretap law, guess who gets the job? Cut the crap. Originally it was created to regulate airwaves. Congress cannot force it to act unconstitutionally. | |
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| Re: well... said by kamm :[Cut the crap. Originally it was created to regulate airwaves. Congress cannot force it to act unconstitutionally. Actually congress can. FCC's scope, like any government agency is dictated by congress. Technically nothing stops Congress from putting them in charge school lunches. | |
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Congress makes the laws and so, gives the FCC whatever authority it needs to administer those laws. The constitution has nothing to do with it.
Only if the supreme court holds a law as unconstitutional can the FCC's authority be stripped away.
You really dont understand how the government and legal system woeks, do you?
The FCC's predicessor was CREATED by congress in the Communications act of 1934 for regulating the airwaves. However, the communications act has been amended many times by congress as needed. The communications act (as amended) is what gives the FCC it's basic authority to regulate the things it doesCongress can make the FCC do whatever it wants, since congress created it by enabling the statutes that created it and gives it it's authority.
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| What is the FCC going to find on colleges?
Porn downloading is a MAJOR problem. Hey, the MySpace website DOES eat up 40% of the college's bandwidth!
Truth is: supplying a legal wiretap on an IP address is being done pretty cheapy by whom? The RIAA for one.
If colleges can prevent MySpace usage, it's not going to cost them no $7 billion to this. Just ask the IT students to do it. Good experience and free labor. | |
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| said by tjefferson :
Can you say abuse of power? FCC and most government agencies seem to say this with their actions more and more . . .
newsflash... as long as these universities are accepting federal monies, they are subject to some federal mandates... that's the bottom line and federal money to universities is a cash cow for them that they are unwilling to let go off... sucking on the public tit for as long as universities have pretty much insures that they will comply... | |
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| Wow, George Bush is such a defender of the Constitution, it must be Bill Clinton's fault. quote:
Congress passed the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) in 1994 to make it easier for law enforcement to wiretap digital telephone networks. CALEA forced telephone companies to redesign their network architectures to make wiretapping easier. It expressly did not regulate data traveling over the Internet.
But now [under GWB's pro-freedom policies] federal law enforcement agencies want to change that. On March 10, 2004, the Department of Justice (DOJ), the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) filed a joint petition with the FCC. The petition requested that CALEA's reach be expanded to cover communications that travel over the Internet. Thus, Broadband providers would be required to rebuild their networks to make it easier for law enforcement to tap Internet "phone calls" that use VOIP applications such as Vonage, as well as online "conversations" using various kinds of instant messaging (IM) programs like AOL Instant Messenger (AIM).
What part about the word expressly, as in 'when CALEA was created, it expressly did not regulate data traveling over the Internet', can't you understand, King P? | |
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WASHINGTON - A U.S. appeals panel sharply challenged the Bush administration Friday over new rules making it easier for police and the FBI to wiretap Internet phone calls. A judge said the government's courtroom arguments were "gobbledygook."
Note that the Judge is criticizing the Bush administration. Why?
Because the FCC is part of the i>Bush administration and run by a Bush administration flunky.
Because the DEA is part of the Bush administration and run by a Bush administration flunky.
Because the Department of Justice is part of the i>Bush administration and run by a Bush administration flunky.
Because the FBI is part of the Bush administration and run by a Bush administration flunky.
Bill Clinton's fault? I guess so is the outragous doubling plus of the price of gasoline since the great George W. Bush took office. | |
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CALEA is no different, except the ISPs and the universities don't like this particular law.
Actually the argument is two-fold: CALEA as written does not apply to Internet traffic.
To make it apply, Congress needs to re-work it. It is not in the FCC's mandate simply to say "Calea now applies to all Internet traffic, including VoIP...." | |
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| Re: This is News? Exactly. And to quote from a link from TKjunkmail...
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(2) INFORMATION SERVICES; PRIVATE NETWORKS AND INTERCONNECTION SERVICES AND FACILITIES- The requirements of subsection (a) [Assistance capability requirements] do not apply to--
`(A) information services;
So how can they force this on ISPs or any "Information Services"? Unless they mean for VoIP, but that can be a grey area since it utilizes "Information Services" to deliver its data AND it's not defined in the CALEA text. Seems the FCC now needs a regulatory committee...  | |
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| Re: This is News? said by envoid :Exactly. And to quote from a link from TKjunkmail... quote:
(2) INFORMATION SERVICES; PRIVATE NETWORKS AND INTERCONNECTION SERVICES AND FACILITIES- The requirements of subsection (a) [Assistance capability requirements] do not apply to--
`(A) information services;
So how can they force this on ISPs or any "Information Services"? Unless they mean for VoIP, but that can be a grey area since it utilizes "Information Services" to deliver its data AND it's not defined in the CALEA text. Seems the FCC now needs a regulatory committee... But you left out the rest of that paragraph of the law, which gave the FCC the right to expand the interpretation of "Information Services":
»www.securityfocus.com/columnists/261
"person[s] or entit[ies] engaged in providing wire or electronic communication switching or transmission service to the extent that the Commission finds that such service is a replacement for a substantial portion of the local telephone exchange service and that it is in the public interest to deem such a person or entity to be a telecommunications carrier."
In other words, if you are replacing the local telephone exchange service, and the FCC concludes it is in the public interest, you might be covered by CALEA. On August 9th, the FCC tentatively concluded that broadband providers were exactly that. --
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| Re: This is News? said by TK Junk Mail :said by envoid :Exactly. And to quote from a link from TKjunkmail... quote:
(2) INFORMATION SERVICES; PRIVATE NETWORKS AND INTERCONNECTION SERVICES AND FACILITIES- The requirements of subsection (a) [Assistance capability requirements] do not apply to--
`(A) information services;
So how can they force this on ISPs or any "Information Services"? Unless they mean for VoIP, but that can be a grey area since it utilizes "Information Services" to deliver its data AND it's not defined in the CALEA text. Seems the FCC now needs a regulatory committee... But you left out the rest of that paragraph of the law, which gave the FCC the right to expand the interpretation of "Information Services": » www.securityfocus.com/columnists/261"person[s] or entit[ies] engaged in providing wire or electronic communication switching or transmission service to the extent that the Commission finds that such service is a replacement for a substantial portion of the local telephone exchange service and that it is in the public interest to deem such a person or entity to be a telecommunications carrier."
In other words, if you are replacing the local telephone exchange service, and the FCC concludes it is in the public interest, you might be covered by CALEA. On August 9th, the FCC tentatively concluded that broadband providers were exactly that. You are correct! Which makes it all the worse, and the FCC just another extension of our de facto FASCIST STATE. But, you go right on revelling in your condescending, self-righteous, pro-surveillance, anti-terrorism/pro-fascist smugness. It is obvious to me, and everyone else here, that you are an amorally vacuous apologist for "right-think". Wake up, man! You have been mesmerized as easily as a chicken made to focus on a straight (party) line.
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| Re: Government said by rudnicke :I'm really starting to rue the day I voted republican. We should impeach this jerk in the whitehouse. I don't really think it would have mattered: two sides of the same rotten coin.
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Just like the democrats had for 40 years after WW 2. The period we watched our country go to hell in a handbasket, thanks to the liberals.
Now, you want to whine because your heroes are out of power because, basically, the american people got sick of being lied to all the time, (never mind fear mongering) especially in election years and having their civil rights and property rights whittled away at by pressure groups, lobbyists for same and eco nuts.
What? You think either party is any different from each other? Politics is nothing but a power game and they are ALL basically the same: Rich lawyers and businessmen who have connections with the power elite. NONE of those people really believe much, if any, of the crap they feed us, democrat or republican. It's just a strategy to convince us they are nice people who love us and feel our pain. And, anyone with half a brain, swimming in the shark infested waters of todays society KNOWS that you dont get to a place of power by being a loveable fuzzball and being nice. You get there by being one of the sharks and eating opponents.It's just common sense. If you fall for the crap they hand you, you deserve to get stepped on. And they WILL step on you.
Yet, in the end, any law that is enacted is NEVER in OUR best interests. Only theirs. Ours is just to obey and pay. | |
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| Re: Government Wrong. Basically nothing is getting done because neither side has a strong majority. Just because the republicrats have a small majority doesn't mean it's easy sailing for them.
Personally, I agree with the guy who said it was two sides of the same rotten coin. They ALL need to be replaced. | |
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| Re: Government Which is what I've been saying for a couple of months now.
Basically its not which party, etc, etc. Its our government in general. We do need to start with a clean slate, but even then we aren't guaranteed any difference. We just need people in power who know good wholesome people and who listen to constituents. You can't tell me someone has "good" ethics/morals and at the same time they take 'bribes' from big business, etc. | |
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| Re: Government said by rudnicke :I don't expect them to do better, but I do think they will be too busy passing froofy feel good legislation to worry about wire taps and such. Yea... just like they did when the CDA and DMCA were enacted.
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Froofy and feel good legislation that will certainly come back to bite us all in the ass, sooner or later. | |
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| Re: Government said by TK Junk Mail :said by rudnicke :I'm really starting to rue the day I voted republican. We should impeach this jerk in the whitehouse. CALEA was signed into law by Bill Clinton in 1994. » www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance···ill.htmlIt's too late to impeach him now. He beat that rap. Too bad!! Stop bringing up facts that will get in the way of Bush bashing, you'll end up banned if you ain't careful.
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| said by rudnicke :I'm really starting to rue the day I voted republican. We should impeach this jerk in the whitehouse. It's high time to impeach every politician from both sides of the aisle.Give all of them a good bytch slappin' to local,state and federal levels of government during the up coming elections.If that approach doesn't work (voting) then it's time for the American people to examine there remaining options.
Then take whatever one of those options, put a stop to and end this fucking bullshit,once and for all.These Nazi tactics has gone on long enough and must stop HERE AND NOW.
If the people of this Nation can't see the tyranny these assholes are pushing down the throats of the working stiffs,then they never will for fucks sake.
Sadly we will get what we deserve for ignoring this Nazism regime.It's like this, if the politicians are not for the American people,then they are evidently against us.One can plainly see the direction they are leaning on this issue.I think I'm going to run for Presidential office next election to straighten this mess they created out.I love my country and hate to see these prostitutes in office flush it down the drain,as they are doing./rant off
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| said by rudnicke :I'm really starting to rue the day I voted republican. We should impeach this jerk in the whitehouse. that has nothing to do with it... this is an interal fcc policy that is probably coupled with cia/fbi/nsa and other alphabet agency requests... that is generally outside the scope of the presidents powers... now he can intercede directly, but i'm pretty sure he is unaware of this issue or it's such a low priority that it isn't even on his radar screen... | |
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| Re: Government said by Asmodeus1 :said by rudnicke :I'm really starting to rue the day I voted republican. We should impeach this jerk in the whitehouse. that has nothing to do with it... this is an interal fcc policy that is probably coupled with cia/fbi/nsa and other alphabet agency requests... that is generally outside the scope of the presidents powers... now he can intercede directly, but i'm pretty sure he is unaware of this issue or it's such a low priority that it isn't even on his radar screen... Did you miss the press conference where Bush declared he had personally ordered the indiscriminate wholesale clandestine warrantless surveillance of all communications of American citizens, and further stated that he, as President, didn't (in effect) "need no stinking warrants"?
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| I love big brother So the phone people already have backdoors, did they pay for this?
I can understand why universities don't want this... it'd be a nightmare to properly install. Here, for instance, there are many disparate wiring closets, a boatload of public access computers, not to mention internet2. Getting all that nicely piped to the man will not be an easy, or a cheap task.
If they want it so bad, why don't they "come and get it?"
Having students pay that much to have themselves watched is an outrage.
Imagine advsors buttering this one up, - "yeah, that's so the man can know everything you do online! it's great! and it also helps pay for bored field agents who have nothing better to do than read your email, snitch on you for sharing a song with your friend down the hall, and tell your mom that you were looking at more pron than educational sites! it's great, with this fee, the university also has to force all of the computer people to comply, that's too bad you have problems with your computer, good luck getting anyone here to fix it... maybe you should try the geeksquad, get charged an outrageous fee for a simple problem, or have that friend you know fix it... oh what's that? he's in jail for sharing that song with you? too bad." | |
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| Compleatly abused. While I do believe that we need "security" and such in order to protect our Nation, I believe this whole thing is getting out of control and being completely abused.
We are in other countries now, to "liberate and bring freedom to people" and also to protect OUR freedom. All the while our own freedoms are being slowly taken away in the cloak and dagger of "National Security." | |
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| What about local intranet traffic? Is the FCC going to be spying on local intracampus traffic? That announcement talks about broadband ISPs and VoIP. Since my school is providing me with a campus connection which has access to the internet, and not a broadband internet connection, and no VoIP, how does a college fall under these terms.
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New jersey plans to increase my universities tuition anywhere from 20-30%
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| said by XoLiMiT :I pay $9200 in tuition + books New jersey plans to increase my universities tuition anywhere from 20-30% so then i guess i gotta add $450 on top of that. Gotta love it Ouch...  Good thing I stick with community college.
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But then, Just think of all the money you will make in your lifetime (IF, that is, you make the right choices) Due entirely to this investment of $9, 650. It's essentially the same as if you had invested it in the stock market and it consistently made profits.
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