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ZonisX
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2011-Mar-13 4:32 pm
I would say that this would lose a lot of customersexcept that anyone still using DSL and being a heavy DL'er probably just doesn't have access to cable. | |
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bloodx
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2011-Mar-13 5:42 pm
Re: I would say that this would lose a lot of customersCaps will destroy the net. I used 450gigs a month just on a IP camera. Caps prevents any new use of the net from being develop, and just wait for the endless inaccurate data usage issues. | |
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Re: I would say that this would lose a lot of customerssaid by bloodx:Caps will destroy the net. I used 450gigs a month just on a IP camera. Caps prevents any new use of the net from being develop, and just wait for the endless inaccurate data usage issues. I don't think the majority of people will go over the caps. So I don't think it will "destroy the net." It is still going to suck however. | |
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Re: I would say that this would lose a lot of customersThe question I think is: once you allow companies to impose overages on terrestrial bandwidth, can you trust them to ease back on the noose as costs continue to plummet? Or are you opening the door to an increasingly-constricted pipe with pressure from investors making things worse for consumers over time? | |
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2011-Mar-13 7:46 pm
Re: I would say that this would lose a lot of customerssaid by Karl Bode:The question I think is: once you allow companies to impose overages on terrestrial bandwidth, can you trust them to ease back on the noose as costs continue to plummet? Or are you opening the door to an increasingly-constricted pipe with pressure from investors making things worse for consumers over time? I am in the "making things worse for consumers over time" camp! Greed is good! | |
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This tendency should be crushed as soon as it starts. In a collusive market like the US has any tendency that is "good" for these corrupt companies will be extremely damaging for the customers. | |
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iansltx
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2011-Mar-13 10:44 pm
Re: I would say that this would lose a lot of customersHow? | |
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said by fifty nine:I don't think the majority of people will go over the caps. YET. Go back and look at what they say 3 years, 2 years, 1 year ago and today. In justifying the caps both the % of people going over the cap and the "average" monthly useage have gone up. 3 years ago the average user used 2 GB now it's 18 GB. Ok that's 9 fold increase. So in 3 more year you're looking at average use being 162 GB. Cap is 150 GB hmmmm. 3 years ago 1-10,000 went over the cap. Now it's 1-50. 200 fold increase in 3 years. This is using the ISP own data. | |
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Re: I would say that this would lose a lot of customerssaid by 88615298:said by fifty nine:I don't think the majority of people will go over the caps. YET. Go back and look at what they say 3 years, 2 years, 1 year ago and today. In justifying the caps both the % of people going over the cap and the "average" monthly useage have gone up. 3 years ago the average user used 2 GB now it's 18 GB. Ok that's 9 fold increase. So in 3 more year you're looking at average use being 162 GB. Cap is 150 GB hmmmm. 3 years ago 1-10,000 went over the cap. Now it's 1-50. 200 fold increase in 3 years. This is using the ISP own data. As long as the caps change with the times, I am ok with it. So far, we have not seen the average user's bandwidth needs increase. Until then, as I said before, a 250gb cap is even good for us power users who do everything under the sun. | |
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said by bloodx:Caps will destroy the net. I used 450gigs a month just on a IP camera. Caps prevents any new use of the net from being developed... I concur. | |
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said by bloodx:Caps will destroy the net. I used 450gigs a month just on a IP camera. Caps prevents any new use of the net from being develop, and just wait for the endless inaccurate data usage issues. Bullshit.. | |
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2011-Mar-13 10:26 pm
Re: I would say that this would lose a lot of customersIf I am one of the average users then why should my cost go up because more customers are using 450 meg to connect a camera, they have 3 members of the house streaming video or working from home downloading huge files. | |
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iansltx
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2011-Mar-13 10:45 pm
Re: I would say that this would lose a lot of customersBetcha those rate hikes will come whether the top end uses a lot of data or not. | |
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said by WhatNow:If I am one of the average users then why should my cost go up because more customers are using 450 meg to connect a camera, they have 3 members of the house streaming video or working from home downloading huge files. You're costs are not going up because of them. That's the point. Quit drining the kool-aid. | |
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said by utp216:said by bloodx:Caps will destroy the net. I used 450gigs a month just on a IP camera. Caps prevents any new use of the net from being develop, and just wait for the endless inaccurate data usage issues. Bullshit.. I concur. I would give some creedence to people if they wouldn't exaggerate the facts. If you use 450gb of bandwidth on porn and illegal wares, then tell it like it is. On an IP camera? Please..... | |
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2011-Mar-14 3:28 am
Re: I would say that this would lose a lot of customersIt is very possible to use that with an IP camera sending data off-site. The max upstream you can get with AT&T is 3Mbps. Streaming at 1Mbps will run you 330GB. Up the bit-rate a bit and you have 450gigs. | |
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said by Nightfall:said by utp216:said by bloodx:Caps will destroy the net. I used 450gigs a month just on a IP camera. Caps prevents any new use of the net from being develop, and just wait for the endless inaccurate data usage issues. Bullshit.. I concur. I would give some creedence to people if they wouldn't exaggerate the facts. If you use 450gb of bandwidth on porn and illegal wares, then tell it like it is. On an IP camera? Please..... So what if he does? How does him using that much cause AT&T and issue? Do people actually drink the AT&T juice that they struggle b/c of the 2%? How gullible are you? | |
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2011-Mar-14 12:08 pm
Re: I would say that this would lose a lot of customerssaid by Bill Neilson:So what if he does?
How does him using that much cause AT&T and issue?
Do people actually drink the AT&T juice that they struggle b/c of the 2%?
How gullible are you? Well said. | |
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said by Bill Neilson:So what if he does?
How does him using that much cause AT&T and issue?
Do people actually drink the AT&T juice that they struggle b/c of the 2%?
How gullible are you? The point is....don't bullshit a bullshitter. I don't care if someone uses their line until smoke comes out of it. I don't like caps as much as the next person. Since these caps have come out, I have heard a lot of bullshit from people here. "OMG, I stream Pandora and I use 500gb a month" "OMG, I stream 1 IP camera and use 450gb a month" Lets be frank here, you aren't going to use 500gb a month streaming Pandora 24/7 for the entire month. Same goes for the IP camera. Tell it like it is and be truthful. There is enough sympathy to go around. If you have to lie about it to make yourself look good, it just makes those of us (most of us on the forum) who know what the hell is going on to shake our heads. | |
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said by bloodx:Caps will destroy the net. I used 450gigs a month just on a IP camera. Caps prevents any new use of the net from being develop, and just wait for the endless inaccurate data usage issues. Its all about the benjamins baby! Show me the MONEY! | |
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slow speed, now caps?Well, after fighting the "evening slow blues" for the last couple of months, now the caps (even though I don't use that much), I'm about to say screw it and jump to something else. Sadly, that means going to mediacom cable, the only other option, but, geez, where is ALgore! He invented the net, can't he do something LOL. | |
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Firstthat sucks... so much for downloading pandora and netflix | |
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2011-Mar-13 5:18 pm
Re: FirstHow do you figure? We use Netflix every day in our household. Pandora doesn't use all that much. According to my router stats we top out around 60-70GB/month. | |
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Re: FirstRemember AT&T invests in Onlive. Should HD streaming gaming take off, I imagine that combined with cloud services, video, backups and everything else -- we are looking at a future where these caps seem snug. Then the question becomes: does AT&T adjust accordingly? Or do they tighten the noose? My prediction is, given they're investor driven, the latter.... | |
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iansltx
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2011-Mar-13 10:46 pm
Re: First"Investor driven" doesn't mean a whole lot. Name an ISP that isn't investor driven; munis are invested in by the cities that they serve... | |
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Re: FirstIt means plenty. Especially when you're talking about stunted investment due to myopic, short term interests and on the metered billing front, since investors have been lusting after this new billing approach for years... | |
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2011-Mar-14 11:37 am
Re: FirstI'm not arguing about the preference of myopic short-term investors who want to make a quick buck (who should be investing in CenturyLink, Frontier and Windstream anyway, not T and VZ). I'm arguing that just because a company has investors doesn't mean that they're horrible, horrible people.
Sonic.net is a private company...but I'll bet they had investors somewhere along the way... | |
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said by iansltx:"Investor driven" doesn't mean a whole lot. Name an ISP that isn't investor driven; Cox communications. | |
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2011-Mar-14 11:38 am
Re: FirstThey have caps. Also, I could argue that they *are* investor driven, just like Cablevision and now Mediacom; they just have one investor | |
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said by Karl Bode:Remember AT&T invests in Onlive. Which makes it stupid to have 150 GB cap. | |
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Re: Firstyea onlive uses a lot of bandwidth. it will eat into that 150gb very quickly. It makes me wonder why at&t even invested in it if they are introducing bandwidth caps as they will be a major blow to onlive unless onlive reaches some kind of agreement with at&t for the onlive service. I can see it now for an additional 15 dollars a month you can stream onlive games on a at&t connection on top of the dsl connection fee. more and more fees is the way i see it. | |
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2011-Mar-14 6:17 am
Re: Firstsaid by Gib4500:yea onlive uses a lot of bandwidth. it will eat into that 150gb very quickly. It makes me wonder why at&t even invested in it if they are introducing bandwidth caps as they will be a major blow to onlive unless onlive reaches some kind of agreement with at&t for the onlive service. I can see it now for an additional 15 dollars a month you can stream onlive games on a at&t connection on top of the dsl connection fee. more and more fees is the way i see it. actually that wouldn't be allowed and would open a whole can of worms. | |
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said by Karl Bode:Remember AT&T invests in Onlive. Should HD streaming gaming take off, I imagine that combined with cloud services, video, backups and everything else -- we are looking at a future where these caps seem snug. Then the question becomes: does AT&T adjust accordingly? Or do they tighten the noose? My prediction is, given they're investor driven, the latter.... you're right karl. it'll just be like robbers ehrmmm rogers cable. when the caps weren't generating the revenue they thought they would, the caps were lowered! | |
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said by wilbur6244:that sucks... so much for downloading pandora and netflix I guess it all depends on your viewing habits. Netflix HD is about 2 Gb a movie, so if you have the time to watch 1 movie every single day (which I sure don't), you would be down about 60-70 Gb a month. Pandora doesn't use that much data at all (I believe their streams are 128kbps), you can probably stream it for 8 hours a day, and not reach 2 Gb. So if you listen to it every single day for 8 hours, you'll rack up another 60 Gb. So that is about HALF your allotment of data, and you have used your internet connection for 10 hours each day. Add to that websurfing and email, which I estimate to be about 10 Gb per person in your family if you are HEAVY browsers, use Youtube a lot, and you ALL sit at your computers for at least 3 to 4 hours a day.... so with a family of 5 you have now hit 200 Gb. The real kickers are these things: - Torrents, especially seeding them. - Online backup services like Mozy (although after your initial upload, it just updates the files.... but for home businesses and freelance photographers you might generate a Gb a day easy. - HEAVY downloading from Usenet and other ehm.... more private sites. Personally, I think I will be OK. I think I download about 100-150 Gb a month. Also, I think that the price of $10 for 50 Gb is quite fair. It's not going to break the bank when you go over. What I want to know is though.... I have a watermeter, a gas meter, and an electricity meter installed, which are all certified to be accurate by county officials. Where is my internet meter, and how do I know as a customer that it is accurate? I can call the county and have my watermeter tested if I think it is not accurate. Who will test the AT&T internet meters? | |
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Re: FirstI have Mozy provided by comcast but I rarely use it since they don't offer backup software for my Mac. I just use external hard-rive for backup of most important files. Now the prices for hard-disk drives went really down recently. You can get 1TB for under $200. | |
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2011-Mar-14 3:36 pm
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said by maartena:What I want to know is though.... I have a watermeter, a gas meter, and an electricity meter installed, which are all certified to be accurate by county officials. Where is my internet meter, and how do I know as a customer that it is accurate? I can call the county and have my watermeter tested if I think it is not accurate. Who will test the AT&T internet meters? You've hit it on the head, Maartena. I pay graduated rates for the rest of my utilities, no biggie. but their is a certification and regulation process with a transparent way to dispute and appeal conflicts. RE: ISPs... Is ANYONE regulating and certifying the way they track our usage? Somehow I have no faith that the industry has our best interests at heart, nor do I believe that our lawmakers have the balls enough to stand up to the ISPs. I'd love to be proven wrong, though. | |
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What about Directv VOD DATA? ATT had deals with Directv andWhat about Directv VOD DATA? ATT had deals with Directv and will they like it being capped? | |
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2011-Mar-13 4:36 pm
The one..The one advantage at&t dsl had over comcast was the lack of caps. Now that thats gone, i see comcast picking up more customers. | |
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CapI know a buddy who got AT&T DSL instead of Comcast in his area due to the 250GB cap that Comcast currently has. Not sure if I should feel bad for him or not. | |
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Why a cap?I guess I do not understand the need for a cap. I mean, are we going to run out of internet and need to ration it out?
IS there an internet shortage crisis that we should conserve our use of it so it will not be depleted?
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150GB not bad for the basic tierIf this includes the 768k/384k basic tier I'm on then 150gb a month isn't too bad. I doubt if I use 5gb a day even when watching youtube, hulu or other streaming video sites. Is this download only or combined upload/download? | |
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Heh.Watch Frontier follow suit. I am already very displeased with their handling of the congestion in my area. | |
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3 times over what? 3 times for the life of the service?They need to disclose 3 times over what period of time. Is this 3 times for the life of the service or 3 times in a year...two years...three years. | |
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1 thing I don't understandWhy the standard cap is lower than Comcast's 250 GB? The difference of 150 and 250 is 100 GB of additional $20 charges per month. I mean DSL prices are almost in the same range as cable with lower speeds. | |
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2011-Mar-13 5:00 pm
AT&T -- the Texans continue to destroy their own gameAs a former stockholder in a number of 'Baby Bells' I've watched in dismay as "The Texans" (as those who ran the former SBC, now AT&T, are known inside the company) have continued to destroy the legacy of a once great company.
Am I bitter because their mismanagement all but destroyed my retirement portfolio? Maybe just a little.
But even after finally divesting myself of the shriveled remains of my SBC holdings (I'd held other Baby Bell stocks but The Texans were a lot better at arbitrage than running a communications company and they were absorbed into SBC, where I saw my holding shrink to about 18% of their one time value) I continued to watch in disbelief as they mismanaged and mangled a once great company.
With connections to long time employees, I've had a bit of an insider view into that mismanagement.
Think they treat their customers badly -- like cash cows to be milked? It's nothing compared to what they do to their employees, who they grind down and then force out, pushing typical wages down ever-closer to burger joint wages. | |
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2011-Mar-13 5:09 pm
Good old Ma BellWell I am glad that I switched to Charter last year. Just hope Charter does not get any ideas from this. While Uverse is available in my area it unfortunately is not on my end of the neighborhood that would not be an option for me. Just one more reason I dislike AT&T. | |
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And on the kinda good side, kindaWell at least the overage charge is $10 per 50GB(20 cents per GB), instead of $2 or more per each single GB. But if you go over the cap? Is the overage fee 'pro-rated'? So if you go over by 25GB's, do you then pay $5?
But streaming video is getting squeezed by the balls, to try and prevent people from cutting the old school TV cord.
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2011-Mar-13 5:13 pm
If these telco/cable companies are going to insist on caps....then we really do need government oversite to make sure they are measuring bandwidth correctly. What's keeping the telcos and cable companies from getting a little "creative" with there determinations of usage? We have "weights and measures" divisions of government to make sure we are getting what we are supposed to at gas stations, grocery stores (items that are sold by weight, etc). We need a virtual weights and measures to oversee these bastards, cuz I'd be willing to bet that many of these companies wouldn't hesitate to screw it to their customers. | |
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2011-Mar-13 5:17 pm
3rd party dsl..Unless they are imposing the cap at the wholesale level, at least you can probably get DSL through something like DSLExtreme on att's line and get uncapped service. DSLExtreme has much better customer service and their service is rock solid in general anyway.
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2011-Mar-13 5:42 pm
Protests?Don't you think customers in the affected areas should protest this the way Canadians did it? If AT&T is allowed to implement this, VZ will follow them, then TW, then CV and all the other ISPs and their greed will destroy all the innovation that is going on the internet right now. I wish Karl is as much against these caps as he was against BOPL.. | |
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2011-Mar-13 8:17 pm
Re: Protests?Canadians protested because Bell tried to impose their low caps and huge overuse charges on all the third party providers of dsl. Twenty five gigabytes a month up in Canada is a pittance. | |
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2011-Mar-13 11:12 pm
Re: Protests?yes, 25gigs is nothing, but 150gigs isn't cornucopia either. | |
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2011-Mar-13 5:43 pm
What are they standing on? Their bloody stumps?This is a company that has continuously made bad business decisions and continuously alienates their customer base.
First AT&T Wireless with not sufficiently upgrading their wireless networks and then waiting until the "last minute" to do upgrades because the people complained of either slow data or massive amounts of dropped calls. Then another bout of alienation, low data caps for smart phone users. Now they are implementing caps with their DSL/VDSL Internet service users?
What is it with this company in which they are trying their very best to be the last place service provider? Who is in charge of this company? Retarded test monkeys on drugs? Business school rejects?
Seriously, this company has shot themselves in the foot so many times I'm surprised they have anything to stand on anymore. What are they standing on? Their bloody stumps? | |
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2011-Mar-13 6:12 pm
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Amen! Fixing to kick their sorry asses to the curb. 6.0 is slow compared to Comcast's 12+ and the Comcast is smoother as well | |
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AT&T imposing capsAnd im STILL waiting for DSL. They said I was on a waiting list 5-6 years ago. I must be near the top now | |
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