Earthlink, Covad; Keep SharingAppeals court ruling keeps competitor leasing alive ( old news - 12:56PM Monday Jun 19 2006) tags: dsl · legal · competition · fccA U.S. appeals court has upheld ( WSJ) the FCC's 2005 Triennial Review Remand Order, which allows competitors access to telco networks in facilities that cannot be duplicated. Both incumbents and competitors have been challenging various portions of the FCC's new guidelines. This decision ensures that companies such as Earthlink and Covad can continue offering dedicated-loop DSL where it's already offered on existing networks. The FCC stated they were "pleased", and competitors like Covad issued cheerful press releases aimed at buoying investor confidence. In reality however, the FCC decisions of late have favored incumbents; preventing competitors from accessing most next-generation network builds and putting them on precarious financial footing. Both companies have been busy trying to find incumbent network end-arounds, pinning significant hope on Covad's line powered voice technology, which uses Covad's nationwide UNE-L network (eliminating the VoIP TA). Earthlink has meanwhile been busy in the municipal wireless broadband space, and has also invested in broadband over powerline (BPL) technology.
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Nirvana | Leechs no more It's working! The leech-providers are finally being forced to provide their own network. This is a win for everyone.
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| Re: Leechs no more True, but you know the ignorant "Taxpayers paid for the telcos for over 100 years blah blah blah....." arguements are coming. People with those arguements have no idea how economics work. Yes, taxpayer did subsidize LEC buildouts, but that cash was used up long ago. The money from the new build outs are coming from investors, and some may argue employee pensions. One website even called FTTP, "Funding Technology Through Pensions". If Covad and Earthlink want to compete on the new networks, they should use the free market principles to make a deal or build their own. I get sick of the whining in this country where people think they should get something for nothing. | |
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| Re: Leechs no more said by soothsayer15  :If Covad and Earthlink want to compete on the new networks, they should use the free market principles to make a deal or build their own. I get sick of the whining in this country where people think they should get something for nothing. Yeah, those free-market principles that allow telcos to not let anyone else compete in their territory and hold up deployment or not only municipal project, but overbuilders.  | |
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| Re: Leechs no more That's the fault of the lazy American voter, not the Telcos. There again is shifting blame. Lawmakers make regulations, people vote in lawmakers. These issues are decided on a local level. Why do you think they want National Franchises instead of local ones? Big Business takes advantage of the fact that people are apathetic. | |
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Wheeling, IL | Re: Leechs no more No. Big Business takes advantage that Congress can be bought. Congress takes advantage of apathetic voters. | |
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| Re: Leechs no more Am I confused? Do they get appointed now? NO!! We vote them in. Besides, Congress has nothing to do with muncipal issues like what streets get dug up and built over, yet. Your city council does. If you don't know who your councilman is , shame on you. If they don't live in your district, double shame! Politicians have one goal, to stay in office. If they knew that people actually held them accountable, they wouldn't do what they do. America is now filled with citizens who place blame on everyone but themselves. It's a lot easier, it's the culture now. Even illegal immigrants feel "entitled". Like Don King says "Only in America." | |
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Wheeling, IL | Re: Leechs no more I'm fairly certain you understood what I meant.  It applies to all forms of government and business. | |
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America is now filled with citizens who place blame on everyone but themselves.
Perhaps. It's also filled with myopic men who game the system at every turn to create unfair advantage via amoral and immoral acts (99.2% of the time funded by inherited wealth), then ironically feel the need to tell everyone, complaining about anything, that they really should try harder (build your own national taxpayer subsidized network protected by paid off lawmakers, get your green card, go to a good college, get a better job). | |
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| Re: Leechs no more said by Karl Bode : quote:
America is now filled with citizens who place blame on everyone but themselves.
Perhaps. It's also filled with myopic men who game the system at every turn to create unfair advantage via amoral and immoral acts (99.2% of the time funded by inherited wealth), then ironically feel the need to tell everyone, complaining about anything, that they really should try harder (build your own national taxpayer subsidized network protected by paid off lawmakers, get your green card, go to a good college, get a better job). Acutally my parents are immigrants, legal ones. It took them 8 years to become citizens. They did not qualify for any government assistance. They WORKED their way up from the bottom into a better life for themselves and my brother. So yes, I will tell people to stop complaining. Being a natural born citizen here gives you far more adavantages that anywhere else in the world. I do get offended when people say "Give Me Citizenship" when it was so hard for my parents and other LEGAL immigrants. There are no secrets to wealth and sucess. It takes personal responsibilty and hard work, and even that's not guranteed. The civic duty (Unions against rampant capitalists, Civil Rights, Women's Lib) Americans had in the past no longer exists today. | |
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| Re: Leechs no more That may be true, and if so, that's great.
My parents were dirt poor. Do I get a podium? Do my family's personal successes have any relation to a bloated inefficient telecommunications architecture, and a corrupt regulatory authority?
Telling Covad "work harder", and blaming the dysfuctional system entirely on apathetic voters seems simplistic and silly in full objective context. | |
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| said by soothsayer15 :Am I confused? Do they get appointed now? NO!! We vote them in... Just because we, the people, vote them in to office does not mean they listen to what the people want or do what is best for the people. | |
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| Re: Leechs no more said by envoid :said by soothsayer15 :Am I confused? Do they get appointed now? NO!! We vote them in... Just because we, the people, vote them in to office does not mean they listen to what the people want or do what is best for the people. That's my whole point. If they don't, vote them out. What? We give up now when politicians don't listen? That's why the country is going the way it is going. Lazy and apathetic voters actually vote against municipal broadband because they watch commercials and read pro-business flyers without actually doing any research on their own. Lazy voters take political ads at face value. If a cable company or Telcos says, "If you built it we won't come", the citizens need to say, "Nice knowing you." Those ploys by business are called idle threats. There is ZERO chance they would risk losing an entire town, then worry about others following suit. You guys have to understand that most Americans aren't clamoring for 100 Mbps connections. Americans do not have the techno-saavy the Far East does.
I don't see how in one article everyone is for, "No one is entitled to a guranteed return on investment." But comes to this issue with ISPs and everyone is suddenly for helping Covad and Earthlink gurantee a return for something they invested nothing in. | |
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| how are overbuilders going to get access to money to overbuild? Maybe you can explain to me the business case for spending hundreds of millions or billions of dollars to overbuild and then waiting several years or longer for return on investment, with absolutely no guarantee of a sufficient return. I don't see the government offering overbuilders incentives and guarantees like the original ILECs got.
The plain, simple fact is that it's stupid and inefficient to waste money on a second, duplicate last mile network.
and it is a sad fact that voters are stupid and apathetic and congress is venal and corrupt.
That's why broadband in the U.S. is going to be third world for years to come. | |
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Michieru
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| ? Why is earthlink investing in BPL?
But I guess I can understand why after reading this article »www.motorola.com/mediacenter/new···_5509_23
Most likely if the interference issues can be dropped enough that it won't interfere with HAM operations I believe BPL has a chance. | |
| | moonpuppy
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| Re: ? The Motorola system of BPL does not interfere with HAM radio like the system used in Manassas, VA.
Also, realize that BPL is what the power companies want in that unlike their power delivery, BPL is not regulated. While POTS is still regulated, Caller ID and hte rest of the optional services are not. | |
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| Re: ? I think it's a good idea to use BPL to also get meter readings per home. Each meter simply displays how much electricity being used and such and not having people get dispatched to check on your meter or the need for guesstimated bills either.
Lowering down costs of paying fuel for business vehicles to come and check up on meters. Although everyone would need a new meter for that purpose. But it's a one time cost compared to a reoccuring cost every month having to pay for fuel.
As long as the technology does not interfere with HAM radio or other devices BPL sounds good to me. | |
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| Re: ? said by Michieru :I think it's a good idea to use BPL to also get meter readings per home. Each meter simply displays how much electricity being used and such and not having people get dispatched to check on your meter or the need for guesstimated bills either. Lowering down costs of paying fuel for business vehicles to come and check up on meters. Although everyone would need a new meter for that purpose. But it's a one time cost compared to a reoccuring cost every month having to pay for fuel. And it is already being done. HOWEVER, reading meters and internet access are 2 very different things. Meter reading requires very little bandwidth unlike Internet access.
said by Michieru :As long as the technology does not interfere with HAM radio or other devices BPL sounds good to me. Problem is that the more bandwidth you need, the less you can notch out for interference. | |
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| Re: ? "And it is already being done. HOWEVER, reading meters and internet access are 2 very different things. Meter reading requires very little bandwidth unlike Internet access."
It's only being done in select places because I still get the FPL truck rolling into my house every month to check up on my meter. Even FPL states that if they cannot read your meter they will guess it compared to your last bill reading. But yes meter reading and internet are two completely different things. | |
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join:2005-03-26 | Links? Huh? Is it just me or does anyone else now get a WSJ subscription page and a full page advertisement from these links? | |
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