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Verizon expanded plans to meet demand
(old news - 11:33AM Saturday Apr 09 2005)
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EV-DO (for now) has won the wireless broadband standards war; the 300-500kbps (almost 100kbps upstream) service is the preferred flavor for both Verizon and Sprint. The price ($80, usually) still targets business professionals on the go, but it should drop over the next few years, with a revision update expected to increase speeds to 3Mbps/1.8Mbps (burst max). Verizon tells Newsfactor the response to their Broadband Access service has been positive, something our Cellphone forum users generally agree with.

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Neil
Stop All The Downloadin

join:2003-08-20
New York, NY

speed and signal strength

Does the speed of the connection depend on how many "bars" of service you have? Is this a viable alternative to dialup and satellite to people in rural areas that might have a cell tower in range?
evoxfan
Waiting On Dsl Or Cable

join:2004-02-12
Daleville, AL

Re: speed and signal strength

Verizon is well know for having an invisible cap at around 100MB per month, even though the service is supposed to be "unlimited". So, if you just need internet for email and general surfing, yes it would be a good alternative. If you like to download mp3's, movies, etc, then no.
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JazzJRabbit

join:2003-09-27
Wheaton, IL
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Re: speed and signal strength

I'd say 100Mb isn't enough even for webbrowsing. I can rack up more than that in a single day of browsing, JUST browsing. Even email use would be questionable if user decides to send a couple of pictures to his relatives/friends or his account is spammed by dozens of letters every day.

Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
Premium
join:2004-01-06
Sweden
·Verizon FIOS
·Optimum Online

Re: speed and signal strength

said by JazzJRabbit See Profile:

I'd say 100Mb isn't enough even for webbrowsing. I can rack up more than that in a single day of browsing, JUST browsing. Even email use would be questionable if user decides to send a couple of pictures to his relatives/friends or his account is spammed by dozens of letters every day.
I agree....

A broadband account just for surfing requires MUCH more than 100 MB. I can also easily rack up that much bandwidth in less than a days surfing. What's the point of broadband if you can't use it? I ask this not against Verizon's service, but for people who are planning on using it as their main internet connection at home.

-Tzale
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53059959
Temp banned from BBR more then anyone

join:2002-10-02
PwnZone
I have verizon evdo service and it pwns!!! 1mbps+ downstream, and around 120kbps upstream. 4 gigs downloaded. theres no silly caps.

tcp1
Premium
join:2000-04-17
Herndon, VA
I've had it for over a year, and have never run into a cap problem. It's really tremendous -- and the full 1xRTT coverage is almost everywhere.. Nothing like getting 100kbps down at a rest stop in the middle of Kansas.
jabinns

join:2002-02-27
Salt Lake City, UT

said by evoxfan See Profile:

Verizon is well know for having an invisible cap at around 100MB per month, even though the service is supposed to be "unlimited". So, if you just need internet for email and general surfing, yes it would be a good alternative. If you like to download mp3's, movies, etc, then no.
I use it all of the time, downloading several gigs without any problem. I have never heard of this cap, and several people I work with go well over 100MB as well. I am wondering if the situation you are speaking relates to a MB plan?

ksw_92

join:2001-05-13
La Verne, CA
·Verizon FIOS
·RoadRunner Cable
·Verizon Online DSL

Re: speed and signal strength

said by jabinns See Profile:

I use it all of the time, downloading several gigs without any problem. I have never heard of this cap, and several people I work with go well over 100MB as well. I am wondering if the situation you are speaking relates to a MB plan?
Ditto here. I use it quite a bit and haven't hit a "cap" yet. The "Broadband Access" plan requires you to purchase unlimited data service so I'd expect that there'd be a major uproar if those of us who pay $85/mo for the unlimited plan got capped.
JamesHutto

join:2004-05-09
Olar, SC

Re: speed and signal strength

for those of you who use the high speed... what speeds do you get, and does it depend on signal strength ?
dmdrums3

join:2001-04-19
Tempe, AZ

There is no such cap! I have downloaded (and uploaded) well over 1GB in a month and they have never said a word. In fact, a user on www.evdo-forums.com reports using over 11GB EACH month using sharing programs and they have yet to say a word!

Speed is decent - usually see about 525kb download and just over 100kb on upload (normal is about 105 upload).

Coverage is not bad - works in many parking garages.

Bottom line - if you want this, get the Novatel v620. Had the Pc3220 (which is probably the same as the 5220) and it seemed to think there was "no service" where this card (v620) works beautifully!
EVDOguy

join:2005-03-16
Cary, IL

Re: speed and signal strength

FYI.

The PC3220 is not an EVDO card, it is a 1xRTT card.
The PC 5220 is an EVDO card and is 1xRTT and 1xEVDO
Novatel V620 is an EVDO card and is 1xRTT and 1xEVDO

There are a few threads that compare the Novatel V620 and PC 5220 at »www.EVDOforums.com
Estragon

join:2003-06-20
Greenville, NH
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said by Neil See Profile:

Is this a viable alternative to dialup and satellite to people in rural areas?
It could be, but Verizon is not deploying this technology in rural areas.

misiek

join:2000-12-25
Round Lake, IL


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said by Neil See Profile:

Does the speed of the connection depend on how many "bars" of service you have?
Yes, EVDO speeds are dependent on the SNR (Signal-to-noise) ratio seen by the receiver.
In many cases, higher signal strength leads to better SNR.
rick02043

join:2001-05-19
Inwood, NY

EVDO

I am a VCAST subscriber in New York City/New Jersey. The EVDO network is very different then the 1x call network. It has different dead spots and is completely unavailable for many hours per week. If I make a phone call in certain areas the EVDO drops out and remains unavailable until I move to a different cell tower. I am reluctant to continue paying $15.00 for VCAST due to all the outages. I can't imagine paying $80.00 for such unreliable service.
Rick
mikabl
Premium
join:2002-09-29
Rockford, IL

Re: EVDO

I agree, I just got a VCAST phone here in the Chicago area and the EVDO drops out all the time even with full signal strength showing.
EVDOguy

join:2005-03-16
Cary, IL

I have found that the coverage is very good, assuming that you are in a coverage area. There are antenna boosters and amplifiers that you can use to extend the range and speed even more.

We have been testing EVDO and pushing it to see how far it will go, AND it can go pretty far, see our web site for some tests we have recently done.

»www.EVDOinfo.com
sogmaster

join:2004-12-18
Germantown, MD

Difference between VCast and ev-do

Vcast = Broadband access-type multimedia through your CELLPHONE (music, video clips, etc). It uses ev-do (the actual broadband wireless type of service)

The ev-do the other people are talking about is a service provided through aircards that go into laptops so they can have unlimited wireless service ALL OVER without having to rely on hotspots. You can't even get the 80 dollars a month plan on a vcast phone (and if you could...why would you?)

P.S. for those wondering, At least for verizon wireless customers, If you use your vcast phone as a modem you will automatically get cancelled. (I should know since I sell it )
mikabl
Premium
join:2002-09-29
Rockford, IL

Re: Difference between VCast and ev-do

True, but the Service issues would be the same.

veloslave
Geek For God
Premium
join:2003-07-11
Pleasant Hill, CA

Talk, talk, talk

I'm in Nor Ca. Home of the Silicon valley.... pretty well known place for high technology but I'll be darned if we have seen any of this "talk" in person.

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ditka_b
Premium
join:2001-10-05
Barrington, IL

I've never noticed a cap

I probably email back and forth several gig a month w/o any caps
Russpetrone

join:2005-04-11
Bakersfield, CA

Verizon EV DO

Here's one for you all ...... same church, just a different pew!

First let me say, I too have not had a 100mg ceiling problem with either 1xRTT or EV DO, but I do have a very LARGE issue with Verizon on EV DO pricing. As pointed out in someones post above (or below), they charge $79.95 per month for unlimited service, right. Well hang on to your hat ..... turn to page 43 in the March 2005 issue of Laptop Magazine and you will see an article titled SPEED DEMON. It references an Audiovox XV6600 PDA sold by Verizon that is EV DO enabled, giving you FULL Internet access for a mere $49.95 per month for unlimited service.

When I brought this to the attention of my local Verizon Guru, he said that Verizon feels that a PDA will download far less data than a laptop. On that note I almost went through the ceiling, because that's down right BS. Consider the OS of each format and it obvious that the conversion necessary to go from a Windows application to that of the iPAQ hx4705 is far more data intense than a simple laptop. There's absolutely nothing that you can download on a Laptop, that you can't download on a PDA.

I gave them 120 days to correct the matter or I was history and would cancel both of my accounts and take as many others as possible with me .......

I'd like to see others address this issue with Verizon and let's put some pressure on them where it hurts ...... in they're bottom line!!

Mark Z
Premium
join:2002-10-14

Re: Verizon EV DO

Hmmm, wonder if you could use the PDA as a gateway or router?
Russpetrone

join:2005-04-11
Bakersfield, CA

Are You Getting Screwed by Verizon's EV DO??

I have a very LARGE issue with Verizon on EV DO pricing. They charge $79.95 per month for unlimited/flat-rate service when using the PC5220 card, right? Well hang on to your hat .....

Turn to page 43 in the March 2005 issue of Laptop Magazine and you will see an article entitled SPEED DEMON. It references an Audiovox XV6600 PDA sold by Verizon that is EV DO enabled, giving you FULL Internet access for a mere $49.95 per month for unlimited service.

When I brought this to the attention of my local Verizon Guru, he said that Verizon feels that a PDA will download far less data than a laptop. On that note I almost went through the ceiling, because that's down right BS. Consider the OS of each format and it obvious that the conversion necessary to go from a Windows platform to that of the Audivox unit is far more data intense than a Windows based laptop. There's absolutely nothing that you can download on a Laptop, that can't be downloaded on a PDA.

Verizon has become the 1000lb. gorilla that thinks they can sit wherever they wish, I'd like to see others address this issue with Verizon and let's put some pressure on them where it hurts ...... in they're bottom line!!
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