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join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA | Bah. Another reason execution is NOT too good for SCO principals. | |
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join:2005-04-07
Monroe, WA | Let them try. It may not be effective for the older savvy users, but for the average 9ish year old I am sure it will do just fine. | |
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join:2000-10-14
Regina, SK | Re: Let them try. Not true! | |
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join:2005-06-06
Alexandria, VA
| As a father of two girls and zero IT education I can tell you that is not necessarily true. I have absolute control of what it's going on in my home network and if they try to bypass something (even the wife)I always notice... and the funny thing is that most of the time is their behavior what alert me and not the tools, the tools I have just confirm what I suspected.
So it just take a little bit of interest from the adult to take control of their home network. And, if you know your kids or care about them, you will always know what they are upto... parents that get involved with their kids will catch minor change in behavior and will usually know if they are for good or not. | |
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join:2002-10-07
uk le2
| Re: Let them try. said by chemaupr  :As a father of two girls and zero IT education I can tell you that is not necessarily true. I have absolute control of what it's going on in my home network and if they try to bypass something (even the wife)I always notice... and the funny thing is that most of the time is their behavior what alert me and not the tools, the tools I have just confirm what I suspected. So it just take a little bit of interest from the adult to take control of their home network. And, if you know your kids or care about them, you will always know what they are upto... parents that get involved with their kids will catch minor change in behavior and will usually know if they are for good or not. I rarely post, but this has to rate as the most intelligent, downright sensible approach i can imagine. | |
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join:2000-10-20
Gainesville, VA
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| Re: Effectiveness would be way more than zero said by TK Junk Mail :The group insists the chance of such an initiative actually working is "zero point zero zero zero percent." Of course, it would be easier and cheaper for parents to use the existing tools to block undesired web sites from their computers for YOUNG minor children. This would most likely just be an added cost for everyone else. I say let the parents bear the cost since it is their children Bingo!!! Parental Control is the core answer to all undesirable activities that "threaten" their minor children. Monitor, educate and BE A PARENT. | |
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join:2005-06-06
Alexandria, VA
| Re: Effectiveness would be way more than zero "BE A PARENT"
I agree.... a lot of parents this days want to be their kids best friend and forget that they need to be the parent first. And parenthood does not mean you can not have a friendly relationship with your child, all the contrary, but is the parents role to SET and ENFORCE the rules. And, make their child understand and FEEL the consequences of their actions. | |
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Sortofadog
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join:2000-05-11
Chicago, IL
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| The ability to prevent access by YOUNG minor children would be entirely successful for about one minute.
Someone will post a workaround on Myspace or another of the popular kid hangouts and it'll be all over for the porn filters. The most effective "filter" is the one raising the kid... Does Utah have no parents anymore?
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Toadman
How do you like these Apples
join:2001-11-28
Medina, OH
| Re: Effectiveness would be way more than zero said by RadioDoc :The ability to prevent access by YOUNG minor children would be entirely successful for about one minute. Does Utah have no parents anymore? I think the proper question would be does Utah have any childeren anymore, at-least female children. | |
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@att.net
| Whats next What is next suing Ford because someone used their car to run someone over
Holding gun shops liable for murders when the gun sale was completely by the books. What a bunch of crap. Our society is sad when we have to blame everyone else because we can't watch our kids. I have a new idea watch your kids. | |
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join:2004-12-27
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| XCUZEME plzkthx. Excuse me but how the crap do they plan to get website operators to move all "adult content" to another port number? The state of utah cant possibly expect to challenge an internetworking standard that has stood for 20 years.
How do they plan to classify content as adult vs not. Many humorous and educational sites would fall under their no doubt draconic definition. What about sites where users are capable of posting content. There is no "safe" website out there.
How do they plan to defeat encryption? Godaddy sells 20$ ssl certs now. HTTPS runs over port 443 anyways, not 80. With all sorts of free VPN tech and proxies such as secureix et al. there is absolutely no filtering possible without blocking basically everything.
This plan is positively idiotic, as it was created by technophobes, and should not receieve any encouragement at all. It is insulting to think that such stupidity should rein supreme over the web. As i havent heard of one major datacenter or carrier pop in utah, my vote is screw whatever they have to say. | |
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join:2004-12-27
00000 | Re: Three zeros You got that backwards. It would be 5.26 minutes each year that a child couldnt easily access porn. | |
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KraziJoe
join:2006-09-08
Alexandria, VA | Um... While they are at it, maybe they can block out websites like...Oh, I don't know, CP80? | |
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Zoroaster
join:2005-03-17
Studio City, CA
| I think its a good idea! It's not about moving content anywhere, or parents not watching their kids.
And its quite easy to modify your web server settings to send traffic out on a specific port. The default port is 80, but it's very easy to change at either the server level, in blocks or domain-by-domain.
Its a perfect solution for ISP's, hotspot owners, schools, parents and IT departments to filter out objectionable content. Just enter the password protected settings area on your home firewall and block traffic on port xxx (no pun intended). Easy.
Ever heard of the v-chip? Parents still utilize the v-chip, don't they? Otherwise it (or some varient) wouldn't be on nearly every single television, cable & satellite box produced. It's a pretty effective use of technology to keep specifically rated content away from their children eyes.
Same idea here with assigning specifically rated content on the web to a specific port.
No it'll never catch everything, and we all know you can't protect your kids/employees/students/etc from it all; something is always going to get through. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't make the effort at being proactive in having a say in what our kids have access to. Not trying would be a lazy, defeatist point of view.
Now the whole bit about holding service providers liable...that's a different debate. | |
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ExMod 2000-01
join:2000-06-06
Minneapolis, MN
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| Re: I think its a good idea! You're missing the point and the v-chip analogy doesn't fit.
What makes you think web server operators around the globe will change their porn servers to whatever port Utah wants?
The V-chip works because TV broadcasts are regulated at the national level and are required to provide the signaling in their transmission needed for the v-chip to work its magic. Move that same TV out of the US and see if the v-chip works.
The internet is not the same as TV broadcasts.
And people can be proactive in having a say in what their kids have access to. It is called parenting.
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Res Firma Mitescere Nescit
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join:2003-02-13
Mission Viejo, CA
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| said by Zoroaster :Ever heard of the v-chip? Parents still utilize the v-chip, don't they? You're comparing apples to oranges, but I'll bite. Actually, no, parents do not and have never really used the V-chip primarily because most of them are clueless, disinterested and want to slough off their parental duties.
As for taking a "pro-active" stance to protect your children, the best way to do that is to take an interest in your kid's life instead of expecting the TV, the Internet and other people to babysit for you.
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join:2001-05-23
Carrollton, TX
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| said by Zoroaster :Ever heard of the v-chip? Apples-vs-tractors. The V-chip is AVAILABLE for parents to CHOOSE whether to use to block content THEY deem inappropriate for THIER children. Megacast Cabletron isn't legally liable if Little Jimmy sees The Sopranos anyway.
The Utah State Porn-Free-Zone is a MANDATE that blocks content the GOVERNEMNT deems inappropriate from view by EVERYONE's children. PaKettleISP.net is legally liable if Little Jimmy sees a nekkid bewbie on the 'puter. | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
|  Wrong Comparison
EFF needs to watch their similies here. Comparing a dumb idea like this to a system which actually persecutes people for looking at the wrong website or saying the wrong thing diminishes the suffering of the Chinese people.
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join:2007-03-20
Pensacola, FL | Re: Wrong Comparison You can't watch porn on the Net in Utah but you can have 6 wives, 20 kids, and get a nice welfare check. | |
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join:2005-12-14
Huntley, IL
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| Re: Wrong Comparison Amazing. I only had to scroll down 20 comments to find such an enlightened commentary on polygamy.
I'm sure the State of Florida is perfect in its own right, no? | |
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join:2005-12-14
Huntley, IL
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| Re: Wrong Comparison Most liberals tend to cringe at the sound of the word "Bush". Since those "people" have paid their debts to society, I imagine that you're in support of gun rights for ex-cons as well?
As for Romney, how does he factor into this conversation? Regardless, I'd love to hear your thoughts about him.
Daley continues to control Chicago. Can you imagine that? Democrats, consumed with, and willing to do anything, for power--that doesn't sound familiar, does it? Alas, I'm showing my conservative/libertarian hand.
Hopefully, Mr. Obama will be relegated to the not-so-exclusive group of presidential wannabes. I find it hilarious that Democrats think George W. Bush is unqualified--yet they fully throw their support behind Mr. Obama--a one-term Senator who is best known for his rah-rah speech at the '04 Democratic Convention. I guess I shouldn't be too surprised--Democrats are pretty good purveyors of hypocrisy. | |
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join:2007-03-20
Pensacola, FL
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| Re: Wrong Comparison Non-violent ex-cons deserve to be able to vote. Pedophiles should get 25-life.
As far as guns, I own three. A Glock, a 10-gauge shotgun, and a .22 pistol. If I had been at Va. Tech, I would have shot the psycho.
The Daley comment was sarcasm.
I agree with Iraq just not the incompetent prosecution of the war by that idiot Rumsfeld. I would have sent in 300,000 ground troops, killed anyone with a AK-47, and split the country in 3 parts and let them share the oil (Biden's idea).
Other than 9-11, Rudy was a lousy mayor. Ask NYers how great his taxes were. Funny, he had to leave the Mayor's Mansion so he could spend time with his mistress.
Gov. Mitt Romney, a Mormon, supported abortion and gay rights then backpedaled. He has YET to explain his Mormon beliefs (probably why his poll numbers are 3%). Does he believe in polygamy? He won't say. All of his campaign money came from him ($2.5 million), Bain Capital (his ex-employer), and Mormons.
Barack Obama is inexperienced. I agree. But, he has refused money from lobbyists returning $50,000. He has fresh ideas. I'd love an Obama/Biden ticket. Biden can make up for Obama's inexperience.
My thoughts on them all:
-Hillary - Gee, I liked Bill and hated Hillary.
-Biden - Has the right plan for Iraq.
-Kucinich - What a left-wing nut!
-Edwards - To use a Samuel Jackson phrase: "I don't think all his dogs are barking."
-Richardson - I liked him. Biden/Richarson would be a good ticket.
-Newt - A right-wing nut.
-Thompson - A lazy guy who quit the Senate because it was too much work (his reason for quiting). Stay on Law & Order.
-Romney - His flip-flops and no one knows what he stands for is terrible.
-Rudy - A liberal Republican.
Hate to tell ya but Obama is like Bill was--Cheers when he walks in a room and cheers when he leaves. Only Obama isn't a skirt-chasing liar. I'd put Obama's wife on par with Laura Bush. Both are classy ladies.
I don't think America needs another Clinton or a Bush.
By the way, I can't stand Pelosi, Reid, or the rest of their ilk. I'm an FDR-type Democrat--moderate who would shove a Tomahawk up a terrorist's a** without any hesitation. Might be shocked but I thought Nixon was a great President. As Spock said, "Only Nixon could go to China." I thought the same of Reagan. Bush '41 was an excellent moderate.
Obama's got my vote just so I don't have to see Hillary nominated. Really, I go with Biden if he could keep his gaffes shut. | |
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join:2005-12-14
Huntley, IL
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| Re: Wrong Comparison Excellent!
I have family down in Daytona Beach--they absolutely love it there.
We see eye-to-eye on Iraq; I still cannot determine why Bush didn't replace him in 2004.
I'm no gun nut, though I sleep better with the knowledge that my Glock 22 is a mere 3 feet away from my bed.
I'm old enough to remember Carter, though too young to remember Nixon. I survived 8 years of Clinton, and I hope to survive 8 years of Bush II.
Presidential elections tire me out--I watched the rise of Obama to the national scene--it was truly a strange thing to witness. My major complaint is that Obama doesn't stand firmly for much of anything (I've made at least 1 anti-Obama rant on BBR before). The calculated attack by the Chicago Tribune on Jack Ryan (I'm a huge Tom Clancy fan, ironically), the 2004 GOP senate nominee from Illinois, was something to behold. Obama didn't win an election--he was handed the election. The Illinois GOP sealed their fate by proposing Alan Frickin' Keyes as their replacement candidate. ARGH!!!! I know Obama rubs some people the right way. I just know that I cringe when I hear him talk. I've had to put up with that for 7.5 years already--please give me a president that I can actually listen to without feeling dumber afterwards!
Take it easy on the Morm's. I've got friends and extended family that are active members of the LDS Church--they are decent people and have no intention of pushing a neo-con/religious-heavy agenda (just ask Harry Reid, a practicing Mormon). Mormons value family above almost everything else. Sometimes their efforts are misguided (a la this thread...), but their intentions are good.
That being said, I imagine that we have different social beliefs--but that is what makes this country great.
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join:2007-03-20
Pensacola, FL | Re: Wrong Comparison I have nothing against the Mormons except the ones that support polygamy. | |
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kneedeep
join:2000-10-01
Springfield, MA
clubs:
| Here's an Idea... If the State of Utah is so keen on protecting their children from porn or other material they consider inappropriate then they should pass a bill to develop a state run ISP and fund it with Utah tax dollars. The state ISP (call it UCANT, as in "You can't get there from here") can then filter to their hearts content without imposing their draconian measures on the rest of the world. Utah residents that actually want that type of filtering can sign up for the service. Those that don't can continue to use other service providers. | |
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join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL | Re: Here's an Idea... Here's a better idea.
Instead of holding the carriers responsible why not hold the OS and equipment manufactures responsible?
That would shut Ralph Yarro's pie hole since many websites rely on Sun's java. | |
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join:2005-03-26
| Not legal in the USA This sounds very similar to the federal Child Online Protection Act (COPA) which was ruled unconstitutional as violating the First Amendment. I didn't find any comments on that aspect of the proposal. While this may be heartfelt for some of the advocates, at some level they must know the mile high legal wall facing them and there must be nothing more political grandstanding going on here. | |
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join:2005-06-06
Alexandria, VA
| Re: hmmm.... Apparently, it has become a mater of State. This basically tells me adults(parents) have become useless and we need the help of the state.
I just do not get it. This is as easy as setting rules and expectations for your kids since they are 2-3 and be consistent and fair. I'm a father of two I know is not easy but when it all comes down work with your kids when they are a child. Wait until they are 7+ and you are done... They will own you then and you will be going to Dr. Phil or Supper Nanny for help. | |
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
join:2005-01-03
Riverside, WA
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| Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
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join:2006-09-08
Alexandria, VA | Re: Amendment I I think the amendment was changed recently...Something about Patriot Act took the place of the 1st Amendment. | |
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The bear formerly known as aaron8301
join:2005-01-03
Riverside, WA | Re: Amendment I Oh crap, I forgot. You're right. The First Amendment was abolished. | |
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join:2005-05-26
Marietta, GA | Porn+Mormon Pormon,or Pornmon
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join:2004-06-21
Palmdale, CA
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join:2003-10-14
Salt Lake City, UT
| The Truth Behind It All The cold, hard truth is that Satan made him do it. Isn't it obvious?
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It's unfortunate that these nut jobs are in a position of public influence. Every state has a nut job or two, but they're not usually in such positions of power. | |
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Same Old Jets
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join:2005-01-17
Pompton Plains, NJ | Will never work You can't stop people from using porn, it's impossible. | |
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EFF: Utah Porn Push Like China's Firewall
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