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Chicago, IL | Like this will work?
Voluntary tax? Yeah right. | |
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technick
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Loganville, GA | Re: Like this will work? So that means I don't have to pay it even if I lived in Wisconsin. So well if it's optional, i'll never pay. But then again, why the hell are they taxing stupid things like this on the internet? Stupid law makers... Tax Beer! | |
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clubs: | Re: Like this will work? Boy ain't that the truth!!!! Here in Sask they really tax the living crap out of beer/wine/etc | |
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Aurora, CO | There goes my holiday plans for getting blitzed in Canada... 
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join:2002-11-27
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| Re: Like this will work? Here in the US, thanks to the Bureau Of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, there is nearly an across the board 300% *Federal* tax on the items mentioned in the name of that bureau. Then you pay whatever else your local state taxes pile on top. Think of how cheap all above items would be without a federally mandated 300% mark-up before it is even wholesaled?
What I really wonder is where all of that cash goes?!
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Aurora, CO | Re: Like this will work? Really big parties! | |
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join:2004-06-24
Regina, SK | Oh, trust me, you can still come on up and get blitzed... just take full advantage of the duty-free shop on the way here.:D | |
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| d4man
join:2001-08-24
Youngstown, PA | Voluntary tax? HAHA!!! Federal income taxes are voluntary too! See what happens if you file a $ 0.00 1040 return! Dont get me started on taxes. Just another example of the idiotic bureaucracies to pick your pockets...... | |
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Voluntary tax? HAHA!!! Federal income taxes are voluntary too! See what happens if you file a $ 0.00 1040 return!
a closer analogy is when the tax preparer asks "did you buy anything off the internet that you didn't pay sales tax on?" or "any undeclared gambling earnings?"
but either way, it won't work, just like the other voluntary taxes | |
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join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
1 edit | You are misguided. File a return of $0 and see how long it is before you end up being fined and/or even jailed. You may get away with it for a while, but eventually Uncle Sam WILL come knocking and they won't use lubercation.
I don't agree with the entire tax system, but there is a need for it. Try going a day or even 1/2 a day without utilizing something that your tax dollars don't help provide in one way or another.
Taxing user's for these downloads is silly. Is this an RIAA and MPAA subsidy tax or is this something to actually improve the well being of the people? It would not suprise me if something like this starts up. Just like some states (California for example) that are attempting to force resellers to collect and pay taxes to them if they sell goods to their residents even if the business has no physical presence there. They do this because virtually all states put that obligation on the buyer of the state. Obviously this is voluntary and not paid so they want to force us to do it for them. | |
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join:2002-10-16
New Milford, CT
| Re: Like this will work? The problem with taxes in general, is that they go against the Founding Fathers' concept of a free nation and, because of the compulsory nature of taxes, are unlimited in their growth. Because the government is not accountable to the people when they levy taxes, they can legislate and collect taxes without limit. Each generation, they push the limits even higher.
Our forefathers never expected the American citizen to become a slave to the government, yet this is what taxation does. The Framers of the Constitution had one serious flaw: they assumed that taxes would remain under 1% of a person's income, so they never thought to put explicit limits on them in specific ways.
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Hazelwood, MO
| Re: Like this will work? In another sense they also didn’t know that it would cost trillions to build and maintain a highway system. There is a reason the framework of this country is fairly broad in nature and only covers the "essentials to life". That truly is the beauty of their work. They knew they could not think of every possible situation that the future would bring. They didn't know how this country was going to be in 50 or even 100 years and yet the document they created still stands strong over 200 years later. Though it is abused and every attempt to bend it to one’s own liking has been made, it still stands and provides for the basic rights it was intended to provide. The rest “we the people” have screwed up.
The single number one problem with taxes is that they have enabled the government to become such a hugh service provider of services they have no business being involved in (retirement, healthcare, business development). Taxes are being used to crutch people and now so many want it to do even more in the way of “helping” people that we will become even more of a slave to it. You can define people as business if you want, but this country spends way too much money “helping people” get ahead in life who either A.) Don’t deserve it or B.) Don’t need it C.) Would find another means if forced to.
In my personal opinion, 90+% of all the government departments should be sold off to the private sector or folded entirely. Let them stand on their own or implode. The government can then do it’s job and “govern the country”. It simply doesn’t need to be, nor should it be, involved in the providing of most of the services it does currently. | |
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15,000 Watts of Bass Power
join:2002-10-16
New Milford, CT
| Re: Like this will work? I blame this expansion of government on lobbyists. We should outlaw lobbies, and all the government agencies and expansions that resulted, not to mention the laws they proliferated.
The Founders did not ever imagine a nation run on fiat money (paper with no gold to back it) and the ensuing monetary depreciation, which, when coupled with the sliding income tax scale, real estate valuations, and other systems that are dependant on the dollar's value, results in an onerous tax burden on citizens that could not be imagined in 1790.
The government was supposed to be a republic. Somewere along the line, mob rule (democracy) took over, giving the stupid masses what they wanted, which essentially gave them what they didn't want.
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join:2001-06-11
Kenosha, WI | What a load of $#!T  | |
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You Big Dummy Gimmie Back My Bandwith
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join:2002-04-04
Philadelphia, PA | What a bunch of F**** losers. Betcha whatever fossil thought up this one is real proud of himself. Placing some taxes on "da internets".
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| Jeezus, wholly mother of Condolezza Rica.
What will these people think of next... another pull the wool over the people's eyes? And I guess this tax would absolve them from the DMCA or other stupid laws, or are you saying pay for the content too and then add 5% on top of that?
Relax, we'll overhaul the bankrupcy laws to so that credit card companys can keep charging 18-30% on the cards and force people into debtors prison-- for life+50 years!!!!
Iraq, India, and Mexico get the best our country has to offer, and what are we getting?
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Thinking - Thinking
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join:2003-06-01
Mid Tenn | Download Tax Another money hungry state trying to milk the cash cow. I don't understand how this would be "voluntary" though. I don't think it will ever go through, as surely no one would voluntarily pay this. | |
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Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Download Tax Won't work. The only way that it 'could' work is if the business was based out of that state, and what business in their right mind would want to. | |
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join:2001-09-03
Grandville, MI
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| said by GreggE  :Another money hungry state trying to milk the cash cow. I don't understand how this would be "voluntary" though. I don't think it will ever go through, as surely no one would voluntarily pay this. That is the way these tax sneaks always work. First few years it is "voluntary" meaning you put on your tax form what you think you spent and then pay the state. 5 years later it is not so voluntary....and you are tracked, fined and jailed.
I despise the phony "its voluntary, or its non-invasive" arguments.
If you are going to tax or ban something just do it. Don't play word games. That just insults me. | |
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entropy1
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join:2002-09-25 | Huh? Did I fall asleep sitting here and slip into the twilight zone? Is this for real? Hahahaha! A voluntary tax....that's just too much. Good luck.  | |
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CrazyFingers
join:2003-10-01
Columbia, MO
1 edit | Read the article! BBR left out a rather important bit of info in their headline:
Gov. Jim Doyle wants you to pay Wisconsin's 5% sales tax whenever you pay to download a song, book, movie or piece of art.
Notice the "pay to download" part? Changes the tone a bit, eh?
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| said by CrazyFingers :Gov. Jim Doyle wants you to pay Wisconsin's 5% sales tax whenever you pay to download a song, book, movie or piece of art.Notice the "pay to download" part? Changes the tone a bit, eh? We already have that in Texas, at least for iTunes.
Whenever I purchase a track from their Music Store,
they add my State's Sales Tax (8.25%) onto each
download. I haven't seen it anywhere else, though.
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join:2002-02-08
Escondido, CA | Re: Read the article! We're charged sales tax here in California on iTunes. Then again, it's a bit different since Apple is a California based company. | |
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join:2002-09-29
Tallmadge, OH
| Re: Read the article! said by kylephoto760 :We're charged sales tax here in California on iTunes. Then again, it's a bit different since Apple is a California based company. And that's the BS part. You aren't buying anything. Maybe leasing the tune while you're a member, but probably not buying. If not iTunes, then one of the other services TOS/EULA says that when you quit you no longer have rights to play or keep the song.
Hell, at least call it a usage tag instead. OR what it really is: money grubbing government lackey who probably exempts himself from the tax tax.
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join:2002-01-20
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| Re: Read the article! said by claco :And that's the BS part. You aren't buying anything. Maybe leasing the tune while you're a member, but probably not buying. If not iTunes, then one of the other services TOS/EULA says that when you quit you no longer have rights to play or keep the song. I think you're confusing Napster with Itunes. Itunes lets you keep the music you download forever (although it has a bit of DRM restrictions). There is no subscription involved with Itunes. | |
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NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Everybody Goes Home
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On Four Day | Wisconsin taxes... The whole thing seems cheesy to me. I mean, it's got more holes than swiss, smells like limburger, and it just plain makes me bleu...:D
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join:2003-12-04
Hanover, MN
| Missing Something? Maybe I'm missing something but how is Wisconsin going to justify this cost? They don't own the internet or pay to keep it up or anything. Unless I'm missing something, I don't understand how you could tax downloads. It's a private service and not state run or owned...
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join:2003-08-01
London, ON
2 edits | Re: Wouldn't this.... said by Omega :I believe if this tax was implemented, then Wisconsin would have a similar situation to what Canada has right now. ?
I don't pay tax on downloads. I pay taxes on everything else though.:(
Do you mean it will make downloads of copyright material legal? That's the last court ruling on the subject in Canada (uploads are illegal) but I doubt that this would happen. | |
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Crusin in the boonies
join:2004-02-10
Charlottetown, PE | Geeze dont give them any more ideas! We're already taxed enough | |
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Tzale
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| said by Omega :Wouldn't this make P2P legal since your paying a tax on it? I believe if this tax was implemented, then Wisconsin would have a similar situation to what Canada has right now. No...
Even Marijuana has a tax on it. If you're caught selling Marijuana and don't have tax stamps on you you get charged a gigantic fine ontop of whatever charges for dealing the Marijuana.
Same thing will happen here. The only thing is the government saw the RIAA / MPAA making all this money from lawsuits so they want a cut of the pie too.
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join:2003-07-20
Greer, SC
| Don't think so. My neighbor (North Carolina) has a drug tax. If you are arrested for being in posession of $1000 worth of pot, the Dept of Revenue also charges you with failing to pay state tax on the value of the pot. If you want to see tax hell, take a trip to NC. One of the reasons we left there. | |
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join:2005-01-25
Atlanta, GA | Another _$$-clown? Is this idiot for real? Why not jusy cook the books and make up a dozen more voluntary taxes while he is _$$ at it!?! | |
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join:2002-11-20
Baldwin, NY | Sales tax Basically it's just sales tax on products purchased over the internet. Pretty sure the Feds say this is a no no but I do not remember. It would hurt the industry. But at some point this WILL happen across the board. | |
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join:2004-02-13 | what ever! Being from wisconsin this just shows how dumb our politicians have become.... voluntary or not it's dumb.
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Torrance, CA | hmmmmmmmmm............. I hope this doesn't start a stupidity trend in othe state
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| this mite be good to solve P2P Issues. As i was reading this i couldn't help think about the potential of this idea.
Let's say all states charge a reasonable tax on Music, Movies & TV Show download.
A percentage of the tax money being collected by each state will go to the MPAA and the RIAA to cover for their "Loss" and we can all enjoy LEGAL downloads just by paying a simple tax.
Would it be worth it if your total tax for downloads of Media files is going to be $5, $10, or even $20 depends on how much you download?
I don't know how to do this but can someone start a poll with this idea so i can get some feedback. | |
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join:2004-11-26
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1 edit | Hmmm... Wonder how many tax everyone to death leftists will pay into this fund. I think it will be very telling. My guess is they want everyone else to pay but when given the chance they won't pay themselves.
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join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA
| let's not forget... the interstate commerce clause... only congress has the legislative power to enact a tax on goods and services on the internet, not individual states... wisconsin can pass whatever moronic legislation it wants in terms of taxation per download, but it would be deemed unconstitutional...
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join:2004-07-29 | Leads to interesting philosphical questions.. ...such as would porn count as art? If not would there be an office devoted to surveying different porn sites to determine which ones are artistic enough to merit the tax? | |
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join:2000-03-24
Boca Raton, FL
| Florida trying to tax office & home networks If enough people ask I can try to find the link to it but the state of Florida officials are heavily debating on how they should implement a tax so that home networks and office networks are taxable as it is some kind of communication and requires the state to make money off of it.
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| Similar to Marijuana Tax There is a tax on Marijuana. If you sell Marijuana you are required by law to buy tax stamps and include them with each sale. These stamps cost a couple dollars each. Of course no one does it, but the point behind it ISN'T to receive money on the tax itself.... The reason of it is to charge you with a MASSIVE fine ON TOP of the marijuana charges so the state can make a hundred thousand dollars because you didn't include tax on your Marijuana deal.
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join:2004-05-16
Staten Island, NY
|  Tax on media.
In return, downloading audio and video, in spite of copyright, should be made completely legal as downloading has been proving to increase CD sales. In addition, CD prices should go down and more money should be given to the artist. Then they'd have two sources of revenue(but still make less due to lower CD prices and actually giving the artist money), and the downloaders would be happy that their activities are legal.
Downloading networks and apps would also flourish since they'd be able to focus on better efficiency, speed, and centralized methods of indexing instead of decentralizing and anonymous capabilities.
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| Re: Tax on media. The government should stay out of affairs in which it is not needed. A lot of our money is not being used efficiently... why take more from us? Does it really cost 40% of my income for the government to function properly? This tax is just plain ridiculous. | |
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| Thisp must be part of "Diamond Jim" Doyle's staff (just kidding). The logic that increasing taxes ever improves anything other than the size of an already bloated bureaucracy, or those special interests that padded the pockets, is flawed.
This is simply another attempt by Doyle to further turn the screws on one of the highest tax states in the Nation. Thanks Gov Doyle! Next thing you know, he'll be offering to reduce our taxes, by increasing "fees" $300 million. Oh wait, he is already trying that stunt.
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join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | 0 * .05 = 0 I hope they don't expect to gain any money off of a free market. Pay for entertainment over the internet really doesn't work right now. Renting movies is the only thing that works, but that isn't downloaded. | |
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join:2004-08-11
Alamogordo, NM | Ignorance is next to godliness, right? What idiot thought to tax downloads. Since we are already paying for the internet connection which includes downloads, I was wondering who the idiot was. | |
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