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Is your home phone becoming obsolete?
(old news - 01:57PM Tuesday Nov 11 2003)
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VoIP is everywhere, wireless quality and coverage is improving, and broadband prices are dropping; is it time to ditch your home phone?. -

The copper running into your home costs little to really maintain, yet you'd be hard pressed to remember the last time you saw a price reduction on your phone bill. In fact, the majority of the fees on your line aren't only inflated, many are simply unnecessary. That's before you even get to the recent estimates by consumer advocates indicating that 50% of phone bills contain errors that cost consumers and businesses money.

According to the Florida Public Service Commission, call waiting costs less than a penny to provide, yet you're charged $2-5 a month for the service (usually double that for businesses). "Touchtone" costs nothing to provide, yet you're charged between $1 and $3 a month. Since 1984, installation fees have risen approximately 900% according to Consumer advocate website Teletruth, yet the process of providing service usually requires little more than flipping a switch.

Assuming you've already got broadband and a mobile phone, is it finally time to ditch that bloated landline and trim the fat from your monthly budget?

As we reported recently, VoIP competition has gotten almost rabid. There's a price war on among competitors like Vonage, and there's a growing number of free services like Skype and Free World Dial-Up with impressive user bases. Skype, a p2p VoIP application from the makers of Kazaa, saw 125,000 users sign up for service in just 8 weeks. Jeff Pulver's Free World Dial-Up has already signed up more than 50,000 users (keep in mind these free services require call recipients to have the same service).

So VoIP is everywhere, and your cellphone does everything your landline does, usually for less. Broadband prices are slowly dropping. What's keeping many users from getting rid of their copper?

Hostage Negotiations
Many DSL & mobile users would love to ditch their landline, but find themselves at the mercy of their local Bell. Many bells have adopted the tactic of disconnecting DSL subscribers who switch their local phone service, something we explored in a recent BBR article. They've also refused to isolate the dial-tone from the data pipe, leaving DSL users with mobile phones connected to voice service whether they like it or not. It's one aspect that makes cable broadband a more attractive option.

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One problem users who go cell only often face is problems when attempting to navigate automated phone menus. The garbled DTMF tones associated with many mobile phones often aren't recognized by a few of the older systems (in fact some of these systems won't even work properly with a cordless phone). Fortunately, using a phone tone generator from Radio Shack can often help users avoid this increasingly rare problem.

Stuck in the Eighties
Not only will some older phone navigation systems not recognize cellphone tones, there's a number of people whose building intercom systems require landline connectivity. Some credit card companies require a reference phone number that exists in your zip code, refusing new applications from users who have out of code cell phone numbers. There are certain security systems that require a home landline as well. Some restaurants won't deliver to cell-phone users either, so keep this in mind. These are all fairly uncommon, but do occur.

911 is a joke in your town
Broadband users who ditch their landline and go the VoIP route for home connectivity must understand they're simply not going to have quality 911 service (for now). If you explore the concerns voiced in this thread in our VoIP forum, E-911 services leave plenty to be desired, and many users may not realize the technology doesn't work until they actually need to use it. Users report busy signals, or being connected to the wrong substation - one user was apparently even connected to an insurance agent. Not helpful the next time Aunt Bessie has a heart attack.

There's a push on the state level to regulate VoIP, many lawmakers claiming they're concerned unregulated 911 service could prove dangerous, when in reality they're primarily interested in tapping into the potential tax revenue. But as VoIP becomes more popular, and some users consider ditching their land-line, there's emerging questions about who will ensure that these services work as advertised. Even then, a power outage (assuming you have no backup power) means no 911 service.

After the recent power outage on the east coast, SBC took the opportunity to "warn" consumers that it's in their best interest to maintain their land-lines "for safety".

I love my Tivo
Another problem that arises for users who have Tivo and want to ditch their landline is the fact the Tivo units still utilize dial-up connectivity to confirm program orders. Vonage clearly states in their equipment FAQ that their VoIP service does not support DirecTV and Tivo, though Vonage anticipates a solution "shortly". It's an issue that pops up often in blogs across the web (PVR blog).

According to users in our Satellite and TV forum however, the land-line is only used to "poll" Tivo devices, and may not be necessary. If you can confirm or deny this, please post in the comments section below this story to assist your fellow Tivo/DirecTV fans.

No, I can't hear you now
As we noted even in a report back in early 2002, Japan is a techno wonderland of wireless communications. They're already exploring fourth generation wireless while we're still trying to get sluggish traditional service to wireless areas. The only true third generation wireless service in the U.S. is provided by Verizon, and that's only available in Washington D.C. or San Diego for $80 a month. Granted, Japan is the size of California, so some of our problems are clearly geographical. Depending on your provider, there's still vast stretches of America where service is sketchy at best, even in densely populated areas.

You can't escape from telemarketer hell...
It's commonly believed that telemarketers can't call you on your cell phone. According to the Telephone Consumer Protection Act (TCPA), it's illegal for companies to deliver unsolicited advertisements to any service that charges you for the call. This hasn't stopped many marketers, and the problem may only get worse with the shift to number portability (the ability to maintain one number across services).

Within the new guidelines, there's no real way for telemarketers to determine whether or not a user has transferred a home phone number to their cell, so telemarketing calls to your cellphone will likely increase as number portability hits this fall. For the time being, the FCC hasn't really addressed this concern.

Just Because...
Despite the slow replacement of faxes with e-mail attachments and e-fax services, many users still prefer the connectivity screech of a traditional fax machine. Others like the idea of having a dial-up line as a convenient backup. Some users are irritated by the size, feel or voice quality of a cell-phone, and aren't necessarily interested in making calls via their PC. For those users, they might want to explore equipment like this Cellular Base Station, which lets you connect traditional phone equipment to alternative networks (We don't support, recommend, or vouch for the linked CellAntenna corporation, simply linking it as an example).

People who conduct or participate in phone interviews prefer the quality of a landline speakerphone conversation. Users with bad credit often aren't thrilled about the down payment sometimes required for new cellphone service. There's also a large number of paranoid (or perhaps criminally minded) Americans who feel a landline will offer them better security. Users who responded to a recent BBR poll indicate they may ditch their landline if VoIP reliability improves, though almost as many indicated they'd "never" make the move.

Maybe you have big fingers, perhaps you have DSL, or perhaps you're stuck in the matrix and need your land-line as an escape alternative. Whatever the reason, there's millions of users who cling to their landlines. What's your reason? Has the time come for you to ditch your copper?

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Apophis
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BE-GONE CenturyTel

I hope the VoIP & Broadband industries put CenturyTel out of business.

39.00 just for a local phone connection? What a joke.

7-8 cents a minute long distance, no number portability as of today.....

DEATH TO COME TO CENTURYTEL

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Re: BE-GONE CenturyTel

I have been without a land line for almost a year now. I did not see the reason to pay for a service that was costing me over $30/mo just have to have low life telemarketer call me on.

The only catch is, if someone asks if that is a cell phone number, you should tell them no. Some idiot wouldn't deliver me a pizza because I was calling on a cell phone. The funny thing was, I was using my credit card to pay for it. Do you think I would really call in a prank delivery call to a different address using my credit card?
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said by Apophis See Profile:
39.00 just for a local phone connection? What a joke.
Huh? Local phone service in New Jersey is only $16 per month, including taxes. And there are other plans (non- flat rate) that cost only $12 or $14 per month.
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lesopp

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Re: BE-GONE CenturyTel

Does that include the "Federal Subscriber Line Charge" @ $6.50 since it goes straight to the phone company.

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Re: BE-GONE CenturyTel

said by lesopp See Profile:
Does that include the "Federal Subscriber Line Charge" @ $6.50 since it goes straight to the phone company.
$16 (approx) is the charge including all the taxes; it's the amount of the check I write each month.
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Re: BE-GONE CenturyTel

I pay $22.00 just for basic service in WA
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said by Bobcat See Profile:
said by Apophis See Profile:
39.00 just for a local phone connection? What a joke.
Huh? Local phone service in New Jersey is only $16 per month, including taxes.
CenturyTel's rates, and the rates of other similar ILECs such as ALLTEL, tend to be higher because they are considered "rural" ILECs (even when they serve or mid-sized towns, or areas that are clearly suburbs of major cities), and their rates in mid-sized towns and suburban areas tend to include relatively large "EAS additives" to cover the costs of local calling to nearby larger communities.

Here in metro Atlanta, ALLTEL (Canton, Monroe, Winder, Jasper) charges *MORE* than BellSouth for the exact same local calling area...

-SC
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Have you read the TOS for the VoIP services? Most restrict the content and give them the right to drop you if they don't like your attitude. Oh yea... they are not responcible for ANY outage even if Their network tanks...you still pay!

MrTangent

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The only problem...

Land lines are way more reliable than cellular and VOIP technologies and for that reason I'll never get rid of my land line. VOIP is interesting, but I don't think the technology is there yet. You're still tied to a physical connection (i.e. DSL/cable/DirectWay) so the mobility aspect is negated. Secondly, the ability to make calls to regular phones is still somewhat lacking.

All in all, I think people who don't have a physical land line are asking for trouble in cases of emergency. Solar flares have been known to take out cellular/satellite communications, leaving some users stranded in times of crisis.

They used to say that "ISDN" stood for technology "I Still Don't Need". I think VOIP is the new ISDN, at least currently. With that said, it will be interesting to watch it unfold. It will also be beneficial in forcing the phone companies to lower prices. Which, as Martha "Thug Life 4eva" Stewart would say, "is a good thing."

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chd176

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Re: The only problem...

another thing about dropping copper for cellphone is the number of mins you can use...sure it has gotten a lot better but still for the amount you pay for 1 line of copper you might spend twice as much on a cell phone if most of your local (free on most copper lines) calls are BEFORE 9PM (or 7PM if you opt. to get that with Cingular) you can run into a lot of money...more so if you have other members in your family...and I can't comment on VOIP service as I have never used them...but until cell phone providers realize the importance of unlimited anytime mins I would say not having a landline is for the birds.
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Re: The only problem...

Nextel offers "free incoming" plans that have unlimited incoming calls. You could almost be completely free of land line service, and possibly saving money on minutes, depending on your situation. I have a family, so one cell phone is not enough. I need at least two cell phones. And I can't get cable modem, so ditching the landline for VOIP is pertty much out of the question.

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Re: The only problem...

Although it is a much smaller company than Nextel, Cellular South also offers this feature, as well as FREE Nights and Weekends and other good features. Downside is the cost of long distance on this network, since they only operate in parts of the south. Their pricing plans are here though:

»estore.cellularsouth.com/

Orwell 1984

@rr.com

A lot of people are in my position. I need a cell phone for work. Being a cheap bastard I don't want to pay for the same service twice. Since a landline cannot ever come even close to replacing a cell the decision is a no brainer. The phone companies are going to end up like the railroads. (propped up at tax payer expense) As fewer people have landlines the price to the remainder will go up causing more defections in an ever increasing cascade effect. Sell all of your phone company stock soon.
Rebecca0924

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I have to say I agree with the need for a land line in some cases, but not all. Most of my friends do not even have a landline, which actually I find quite nice. I don't have to call 2 numbers if they're not at one and I know where ever they are I can reach them. The only problem I have run into is that when my children are home with a babysitter I need to have a phone for emergencies or so that I can check in on them. That's tough. For that reason I do have a land line and probably will until my daughter is responsible enough to have her own cell phone. But other than that it never gets used. And even though my cell may not get great reception everywhere, I can't take my land line anywhere.
Bill Clo

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As much as I'd like to be able to get rid of my landline, it is MUCH more reliable than my cable connection. I swear, it seems that every time we get a major thunderstorm or storm front through here, my cable Internet goes down. Not the cable tv picture, mind you, that's been pretty reliable, but the Net access goes down.

So I can't count on my Net access/VOIP being up when I may really need it.
ksampling

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Re: The only problem...

i know what you mean my connection goes down but not my cable

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I agree, I like my landline, and for now I plan on having it for a while.

There is no need to give it up, espcially if you have DSL. One thing I do not see myself having is a long distance service provider. Why pay when your cell phone does it for free?
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Re: The only problem...

Or better yet get a five cents per minute WalMart calling card which will also serve quite nicely as a calling card when the cellie is dead or out of range.

geoffs

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Re: The only problem...

Or, even better yet... get a 2.9 cents per minute Sprint calling card from Costco

I just program the speed dial buttons on my home phone to the toll-free phone # and calling card # and then I just have to push 2 buttons to call long distance using my land line...

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said by MrTangent See Profile:
All in all, I think people who don't have a physical land line are asking for trouble in cases of emergency. Solar flares have been known to take out cellular/satellite communications, leaving some users stranded in times of crisis.


whatever
in that case knock next door and use someone elses phone - PacBell aint getting anymore of my money.
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MrTangent

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Re: The only problem...

said by SOLdesign See Profile:
whatever
in that case knock next door and use someone elses phone - PacBell aint getting anymore of my money.

What if no one has a land line? Recent (over the past few years) sunspots have knocked out satellite communications and left millions potentially without cell phone access. If an extreme weather or terrorist event happened simultaneous to a massive disruption (intentional or not) in cell phone access it could have deadly consequences. If people are not able to contact others in times of disaster the effects can multiply tenfold (i.e. chaos reigns).

But hey, if you don't want a land line, that's your prerogative. Personally I can't really stand cell phones. I'm warming up to them, but they cut out so much as to drive me insane. That and cell phone users make me want to go postal (i.e. people not turning their f'ing phones off at movie theatres, talking loudly in libraries and book stores, etc.). I think 98% of conversations can just wait until you get home...

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btrdad

join:2003-11-14
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Voip caught my attention in a big way. With all my landline calling features and (FREE) long distance, my phone bill ran close to $80 a month. With my new Voip from Vonage, I pay $27 a month for all the calling features I like (including free voice mail) which INCLUDINS tax. I have not had a single problem yet. I was very impressed when I simply plugged my phone into the Vonage adapter and instantly had tone and was able to make crystal clear calls. Good bye land line hello Voip. I'll let you know what happens next time a solar flare passes by... in the mean time I have my cell phone just in case.
ghenjei

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Grand Prairie, TX

Tivo information

about the Tivo comment above....

Stand alone Tivo (Tivo without an integrated satellite receiver) needs a connection to download television listings. Now, if you have Broadband, some Tivos have USB ports, which you can hook up an ethernet adapter, and download listings from the internet. If yours does not, it can be "hacked" to add one.

DirecTivo (integrated with sat. receiver) does not need a land-line connection, as it downloads the information from the satellite. In any case, with Tivo, it is not hard to untether it from the land-line connection.

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Re: Tivo information

Even series 1 TiVo internal LAN adapters are available. I have one for one of my old TiVos and it works great. It's supported by all software version higher than 3.x. Even my deviced that required a phoneline (Panasonic KX-FHD331fax and my old Dish Network boxes DP301s and Model 6000) worked with Vonage without any problems.
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Above post is absolutely correct. Stand Alone Tivo needs a phone line or broadband connection, DirecTivo does not. However, without a phone line (or broadband adapter) you eventually run into pay per view problems. The units only allow so many purchases before a successful call in is completed.
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Re: Tivo information

said by Camelot One See Profile:
However, without a phone line (or broadband adapter) you eventually run into pay per view problems. The units only allow so many purchases before a successful call in is completed.
You MAY also run in to problems with sports packages, multiple receivers on one account, or locals, given DirecTV's requirement that receivers be connected to a phone line. That said, I've heard that DirecTV has started to relax the requirements somewhat.

-SC
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Re: Tivo information

said by roamer1 See Profile:
said by Camelot One See Profile:
However, without a phone line (or broadband adapter) you eventually run into pay per view problems. The units only allow so many purchases before a successful call in is completed.
You MAY also run in to problems with sports packages, multiple receivers on one account, or locals, given DirecTV's requirement that receivers be connected to a phone line. That said, I've heard that DirecTV has started to relax the requirements somewhat.

-SC

You only need a phone line when you install dirctv. After that you can keep it disconnected. You still get updates and you still can order pay per view. They get pissed if you tell them that it isn't connected anymore but when you threaten to send them your phone bill they sing another story.

They really should offer a broadband connection type like TIVO. That would kick ass.
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said by ghenjei See Profile:

DirecTivo (integrated with sat. receiver) does not need a land-line connection, as it downloads the information from the satellite. In any case, with Tivo, it is not hard to untether it from the land-line connection.

DirecTivo does need a land line to call in. If it doesn't within a certain amount of time, then your service is interrupted.

I've got one, it has to dial in for account info. It does get the TV listings from the sat.
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Re: Tivo information

You also need to have the DirecTivo hooked up to a phone line to get software updates as well. They still deliver them by regular phone line. Although as people have pointed out you can buy a Turbonet card from »www.9thtee.com and hook you Tivo up to a home network instead. Plus you can use really cool software like Tivoweb.
scuba_steve

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Re: Tivo information

My TiVo (Standalone) gets its data via my broadband cable modem. My Nextel cellphone is on it's way from Fedex. As soon as it arrives, my Landline is history. Verizon has been extorting me for far too long. $7.00 a month for voice mail! Nextel charge $1 and throws long distance in for free. See-ya copper.

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said by NJChris See Profile:
DirecTivo does need a land line to call in. If it doesn't within a certain amount of time, then your service is interrupted.

I've got one, it has to dial in for account info. It does get the TV listings from the sat.

This just isn't true. Mine has been unplugged for the past 5 months. I get the same warning message every day, but everything still works.
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Home Security System needs landline...?...

I moved to Texas about 18 months ago. I wasn't going to get a landline phone, since I had a cell phone and I thought I would be traveling a lot.

However, I wanted a monitored, home security system. I contacted the service I used with my previous home. They told me that for their monitoring service to work properly, I needed a landline telephone connection. They further said that cell phones were not sufficiently reliable for the service, even if I left a cell phone or "base station" at the house. Now, we are talking about how things were 18 months ago--in the Dallas-Ft Worth Metroplex.

I have to admit that my cell phone has lost connection while speaking to someone while sitting (not wandering around) inside of my home. More so 18 months ago than recently, but I haven't made as many cell phone calls from the house in the last 3 months.
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Re: Home Security System needs landline...?...

Likewise, you cannot obtain xDSL in Canada without local telephone service. Also long distance rates are far cheaper on landlines than they are on cellphones. For those two reasons alone, I still have a landline.

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Re: Home Security System needs landline...?...

said by MacGyver See Profile:
Also long distance rates are far cheaper on landlines than they are on cellphones.
Long distance calling in the US and Canada is included in my Verizon Wireless cell phone plan. As long as I don't exceed my allocated minutes, it doesn't matter if I call across the street or across the country, there's no additional charge.

I make all toll calls on my cell phone, and use the landline only for local calls.

gruggni
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Land line 4 me

I can't get broadband where I live so I'm stuck with dial-up. So I will keep my land line, plus it's much cheaper then cell phone service. A basic land line runs $15 before taxes. Plus you get a calling card that is linked to your account. Find what fits your needs. I had a cell phone once, hardly used it. Paying $30 a month for a cell phone I barely use was burning a hole in my pocket. I still think holding a high powered transmitter/receiver to your ear and brain isn't healthy.
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credit card verification not an issue

Credit card verifications do NOT need a land-line. Yes, it's true that the paperwork says you must call from your "home phone" but I've verified several cards this past year from my cell phone. Yes, you'll end up speaking to a human (what a novelty) who asks one or two questions (mother's maiden name, etc) and that's it - verified without a landline.

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Re: credit card verification not an issue

said by DonLibes See Profile:
Credit card verifications do NOT need a land-line. Yes, it's true that the paperwork says you must call from your "home phone" but I've verified several cards this past year from my cell phone. Yes, you'll end up speaking to a human (what a novelty) who asks one or two questions (mother's maiden name, etc) and that's it - verified without a landline.
If you have your cell phone number listed as your "home phone" on your account and call from said cell phone, you should be fine -- unless a) the credit card company "screens" calls coming from wireless NPA-NXXs, or b) the wireless carrier is broken and sends a number other than your cell phone's number as ANI.

If you have American Express, in at least some cases you can activate new cards online and skip the phone altogether.

-SC
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I've given a personal 800 number for credit card verification without a problem. Moreover, this is all dead with number portability.

I think that if you are going to go with mobile or VOIP only, buy the line from your landline provider and transfer it out. The one off fee will avoid all these issues.
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Re: credit card verification not an issue

I wouldn't pay the fee. It's totally unnecessary to start with a home line. Verfications are not a problem with a cell phone EVEN when it's not your official home phone. I do it all the time and have never had a problem.

stet
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Tivo

It is possible with Series 2 Tivo's to use a USB ethernet adapter and have the Tivo perform it's daily call through your internet connection instead of using a land based phone line. Instructions for doing so are at »www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/sh···id=61226

note: this link is to another forum that deals specifically with Tivo related issues. If it's inappropriate for me to post this link, mods please remove it.
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Re: Tivo

Yes, but you still need the landline to run Guided Setup the first time.

David
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Something that some people

don't think of is the E-911 service (when you call)locates you by address almost immediatley. My mother works in a police dept that answers phone calls for a small town. When that call comes in, there is one computer that gets the information faster than an eye blink. She knows where you are at and where you are calling from within seconds. She can then patch that information over to a view screen to the ambulance via Radio Modem and have the exact location saving time which might be needed at most. Pizza places use just about the same thing. The downside to cell phones is the article is correct since there is no address per say attached to the phone I can see why Pizza delivery places might be skiddish, but if you give them a credit card number they can still bomb the credit card for the pizza. The thing that frustrates my mother about the 911 service is the people on cell phones. Bad transmissions, callers that cannot describe where they are at, and some that panic but cannot give you an address. It has gotten better with some regulations and standards by the FCC but I kind of feel (on her behalf) that more can be done, and should be done. Another thing to keep in mind, is if memory serves the FCC requires a Central office, to remain at full power for up to either 72 hours, or a week after a power outage. Cell phones, probably not as much, if the cell tower loses power, well... Not sure what happens there but I would still like a backup plan...

Keep in mind this is just a idea, not a rant, flame or anything of the sort.

Bobcat
Volvo sucks donkey balls
Premium
join:2001-02-04
Bedminster, NJ
·Verizon Online DSL


No

No, I'm not getting rid of my POTS phone. There's no way I'd trust my cable company to carry a 911 call (my internet service dies upon any power failure), and 911 calls by cell phone are not reliable, at least where I live.

With the E911 service on my POTS phone, I know the local police will respond even if I hang up without saying anything. My POTS phone costs only $16 per month including taxes. I think my life and the lives of my family are worth $16 per month.
joebear29

join:2003-07-20
Alabaster, AL

POTS for me

I'll keep my POTS forthe forseeable future for a few reasons:

1) I have DSL, and I will never give Charter a dollar of my money

2) I hate cell phones. For a light phone user, cell phones are more expensive than basic phone service, and don't make sense if you don't use them on the road. Part of the joy of leaving the house is I can't be called.

ddg4005
Premium
join:2001-08-22
Bronx, NY
·Verizon Online DSL

Re: POTS for me

I couldn't agree more. I have two land lines, one of which hosts my DSL connection. All this talk about VoIP being a replacement for POTS is premature. And during the Big Blackout of 2003 my land line phone connection worked perfectly. Can anyone guarantee that cell phones and VoIP will work flawlessly in an emergency?

gwion
wild colonial boy
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join:2000-12-28
Pittsburgh, PA

My landline is failsafe...

No batteries, no cells, no antennas. It's a lifeline, if nothing else.

And 24/7 fail safe redundant phone service is NO luxury, to me. It's a necessity. The landline infrastructure's simple, and it's been perfected by years of operation. Maybe in 50 years or so, when the alternative services have the same track record. Until then, "no."

Moreover, cell, VOIP, etc., or not, the landline is redundancy to back up all the rest... and I believe adamantly in the "no single point of failure" philosophy for most everything... it's a way of life, for me.

Never. I'll give up this wire when they pry my cold, dead fingers from it. My cell works fine, to bring me the safety and convenience of a phone on the go. But my home phone is absolutely critical basic comm services to me, and I'll never surrender that for a few pennies in savings. Non-negotiable.
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tunes

join:2002-01-31
Grosse Ile, MI
·Vonage

Landline gone...

I disconnected from the PSTN in February and haven't looked back. I have had very few service issues since moving to Vonage as my primary home phone. Since then I've saved about $500.00 in phone charges that would have been paid to SBC for the same calls. Xmas ought to be great for the kids this year! The 911 issue is easily handled by programming your local police dispatcher's number into any one-touch button on your phone. The power outage issue still remains but by my calculations I've been without power fewer than 0.007% of the time over the last five years (99.993% uptime). Ironically, I switched to VoIP because I had two years worth of service quality issues with my SBC landline that they just couldn't correct.
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NGOwner

join:2000-11-21
Leawood, KS

International Calling

There's one arena that Cell Phones can't touch,

International calling.

For anyone who calls overseas regularly, you can't cut the cord (unless of course you are willing to use a prepaid card of some kind).

[NG]Owner
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nil
Java Geek
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Re: International Calling

Pre-paid cards tend to be a lot cheaper than international rates from long-distance companies.
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roamer1
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join:2001-03-24
Atlanta, GA
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said by NGOwner See Profile:
For anyone who calls overseas regularly, you can't cut the cord (unless of course you are willing to use a prepaid card of some kind).
For the most part, prepaid services (especially the services that use VoIP for some or all calls, such as OneSuite) are the cheapest way to call internationally anyway. If you must have postpaid, there are "calling cards" (that you can set up to not require entry of the PIN when calling from "registered" phones) such as CogniCall with cheap intl. rates.

-SC (ex-user of OneSuite, current user of CogniCall)
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DotDitDot

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I just wanted to point out that calling international with T-Mobile, isn't bad at all. It costs me 29c/min to call to Europe. Granted that's often double what you'll pay to your landline company, but it's not bad either - especially if you only need to call internationally on occasion.
Kommie

join:2003-05-13
East Haven, CT

Re: International Calling

With Startec WILD plan for Cell Phones:

»www.startec.com/startec/us/newst···ld_minfo

I dont think international calls on a Cellphone are a problem for anyone anymore.

Loan Wolf

join:2002-07-15
Grande Cache, AB
·TELUS

What about rural areas?

No go for VOIP for me either. Where i live if we loose power for a long time or get lines cut, everything but local land lines is dead.

So the thought of voip and the internet covering for land line is a joke. And the internet is run over line lines either copper or fiber.

Phil
Rojo Sol
Premium
join:2001-06-11
Camarillo, CA

I've been wanting to drop my land line, but....

It's not really possible for DSL users as the phone company requires a DSL subscriber to have a basic phone line installed. I could go with cable, but I game online a lot and packet loss is always a concern with cable.

Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
·AT&T Midwest
·Site5.com
·Comcast

Right on!

This article brings up many of the concerns that people have with ditching their landline.

We still have a landline for various reasons.

1. We have a fax machine and being able to fax things easily is a necessity. Sure, there are internet fax programs, but a lot of our faxes are existing printouts or things already written up. Scanning this stuff and then sending it is a waste of time. We also have a TIVO and satellite service which needs a landline.

2. A landline is great for those times you need to make an important phone call. A landline will never cut out on you, and in a situation like a phone interview, that is important.

3. It makes for a great backup. We had an ice storm roll through here not long ago and it knocked out power for 4 days. That included our cell phone service since the towers were out of power. The generator at home kept the house somewhat powered, and we had the landline to use to call around.

4. We use the landline as a "telemarketer" deflector. Any phone number that is required on the internet or paperwork, we put down the landline number. If the telemarketers had our cell phone numbers, they would be calling. Trust me, they have called in the past. This way, the landline takes all the calls from businesses and telemarketers. They just go straight to the answering machine.

5. We use the landline as a backup dialup service on our router. If we lose broadband service, the dialup will kick in so we can still surf. Either that or we can plug our computers into the phone jack and dialup that way. Either way, you need a landline for that unless you want to use your cell minutes for dialup which can get expensive during the day Monday-Friday.

6. We use the landline for local calling while we are at home. Calling a friend locally and using 30 minutes is easy to do on the landline. Especially f you are running short of minutes on your cell that month like I have in the past.

I am sure there are other reasons that other people may have. Those are mine.

As for the landline, we use it only for local calling and those important phone calls. Otherwise, the ringer is off except on one phone and it is connected to an answering machine. Telemarketers can call it all they want, which is what we usually get. Family and friends all call our cell phones or use Direct Connect.

Best of all, price on a basic landline is under $20 a month with unlimited local calling and 100 minutes of long distance (which we don't use much of).
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oliphant5
Got Identity?
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Corona, CA


I don't buy it...

quote:
Hostage Negotiations
No answer for this one. Only course of action is speak with your feet and get a different service provider. Unfortunately, so long as legislators are purchased by the telcos, these anti-consumer rules will be the norm.

quote:
Press 1 to continue in English
quote:
Stuck in the Eighties
I can't speak for everyone, but I've had no problems with automated phone system with either my Cingular account or my Vonage account.

quote:
911 is a joke in your town
So long as people understand that 911 from VoIP isn't true 911...people can make the decision whether or not they want to go with direct dialing their local sheriff vs. a 911 center and saving 60% off their phonebill.

quote:
I love my Tivo
Simply not true, Series 2 TiVo support USB wired and wireless LAN adapters and internal LAN adapters are available for Series 1 TiVos and are supported by the TiVo software. I have all three of my TiVos (2 series 2's and 1 series 1) on my LAN and they all work without a hitch.

quote:
No, I can't hear you now
Color screens and techno-wizardry aren't going to stop people from making reliable phone calls. While WW services are slow...it doesn't make cell any less valuable.

quote:
You can't escape from telemarketer hell...
Between the DNC list and my Intelliscreener I don't get calls on either my home phone or my cell phone. Part of the benefit from having an ATA wired into the house is being able to use a single screening device to divert all telemarking calls into nowhereland while wanted calls go straight through.

quote:
Just Because...
It's no doubt that cell and VoIP performance vary with area and provider but so does POTS. In my area POTS is completely worthless, overpriced static filled garbage. But if you have a reliable ISP with good stable latency, there is no reason to keep a land line. Even power outtages don't stop me from running with my modem and ATA on UPS along with my cell as backup...and all combined (including my ISP) VoIP is significantly cheaper than I was paying for Verizon.
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MWR2NY

join:2002-02-06
Edgewood, MD

No Landline Since Series 2

I gave up my landline about a year ago and I haven't missed it at all. The TiVo series 2 uses my broadband wireless G and I use the cell phone for all my calls. I save about $30 dollars a month or should I say Verizon doesn't get from me about $30 a month.

n2jtx

join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
·Optimum Online

I was considering it...

I do not have a cell phone other than a deactivated unit that I carry in my car because it can still call 911. I was waiting for the option to drop copper and move my home phone number to a cell phone since it would only be about $10-$15/mo more than I am paying now. However, August 14th happened and I saw neighbors trying to use their cellphones and not having any luck. My good old copper line still kept working for the full 24 hours we were without power. So, as far as I am concerned, it cell is not ready to be "my only phone". One thing I would love to see the phone company come up with would be to be able to use a cell phone as a "cordless" phone - ie. have both my cellphone and landline be on the same number. If my landline rings, my cellphone would ring and I could pickup the call on either device).

T_Wrecks
The Truth Doesn't Make A Noise
Premium
join:2003-08-21
Garden State

Landline Free for 1 Year

I switched to Vonage last November and I have absolutely no regrets.

My cable connection (Optimum Online) is rock solid. I'm never without service. In the past year, I've had about 2 hiccups that prevented me from using my phone. In both cases, service was restored in less then a couple of hours.

Another benefit that no one mentioned is that with VoIP, you can take your phone number with you where ever you go. We moved last February and brought our old phone number with us. No big deal...we just connected the Vonage hardware at our new house and we were up and running. Going on vacation? If the hotel has a broadband connection in your room bring your phone and make as many calls as you want for free. It's a beautiful thing.

In regard to the loss of power issue--I, and I think most people, only have cordless phones, which are useless during power outages anyway.

In my opinion, there is no comparison. VoIP offers so much more for so much less. I'd recommend switching to anyone (with a stable internet connection).
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Bobcat
Volvo sucks donkey balls
Premium
join:2001-02-04
Bedminster, NJ
·Verizon Online DSL

Re: Landline Free for 1 Year

said by T_Wrecks See Profile:
My cable connection (Optimum Online) is rock solid. I'm never without service.
My Optimum Online connection dies immediately whenever there's a power failure.
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T_Wrecks
The Truth Doesn't Make A Noise
Premium
join:2003-08-21
Garden State

Re: Landline Free for 1 Year

said by Bobcat See Profile:
said by T_Wrecks See Profile:
My cable connection (Optimum Online) is rock solid. I'm never without service.
My Optimum Online connection dies immediately whenever there's a power failure.

Mine too, of course. There's not much anyone can do about that.

It's not really much of a factor though, as I only have a cordless phone. So, if the power goes out, I'm going cellular no matter what.
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Bobcat
Volvo sucks donkey balls
Premium
join:2001-02-04
Bedminster, NJ
·Verizon Online DSL

Re: Landline Free for 1 Year

Actually, the cable equipment is supposed to have battery backups that last at least 2 hours. But Cablevision doesn't care about maintaining their equipment, so my cable service dies whenever there's a power failure.

Hey, they've only increased prices by 50% recently, so why should we expect them to actually put the extra revenue back into the system?
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Garbs
Mudhole? Slimy? My home this is.
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Garden State
When my power goes out, I can't make microwave popcorn either, but I'm not too worried about that.
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