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@comcast.net
thumbs down from:
Dogfather 
| Big Fat Hairy Deal! Dish is dying and nothing they do will prevent it. I will be the first to dance on their grave when they DO die. | |
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cvrefugee
Premium
join:2003-09-15
Corona, CA | Re: Big Fat Hairy Deal! Why would you want fewer competitors in the market? Comcast.net, oh, that makes sense now. | |
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badtrip
East Bay
Premium
join:2004-03-20
Albany, CA
 ·Comcast
| said by Dadadadah :
Dish is dying and nothing they do will prevent it. I will be the first to dance on their grave when they DO die.
Whether they die or not makes no difference to me. However, Dish's Channel lineup, picture quality and price is multiple times better than comcast. Comcats's HD offering borders on consumer fraud, IMO. | |
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| | lightzout
Premium
join:2005-07-29
San Anselmo, CA
| Re: Big Fat Hairy Deal! What happened to Comcast's HD? I rarely watch TV but when I discovered the great HD nature shows, full length movies and concerts on the HD channels I started spending more time trying to find programming that actually delivered amazing HDTV content I couldn't see anywhere else. Now Comcast has twice the number of channels but the indie hdtv exclusive proframming is gone and all the new channels are merely simulcasting the network fodder. If Dish carries the great sunrise earth type shows I used to watch and it is an option at my house I will have to look into it further. Comcast has no HDTV of any interest to me so I will stop paying extra until they bring back the cool stuff. | |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY | They are Dying what are you somebody from one of the cable companies who would just love to loose this thorn in their side. I am a happy and loyal Dish customer.
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astiyosti1
@cherokeenc.tv | Re: Big Fat Hairy Deal! well i would love hd but inorder i have to cut a lot of trees down and have two satilittes sucks for me | |
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join:2001-04-24
Port Chester, NY | Me too. A happy dish customer too. | |
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Dogfather
Altitude is your friend
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
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| It's okay there guy. If I was stuck with Comcrap, I'd be jealous too. | |
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ninjatutle
You can keep the "change"
join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA | Re: Big Fat Hairy Deal! I never had Dish but all I can say is, the more competition the better. Why would anyone want them to die? | |
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belawrence
It's All About The Games
join:2000-08-06
Santee, CA
·Cox HSI
| I'll just copy & and paste my post from last April:
"I've said it before - If I had a dime for everytime anybody said DISH was going to implode, I'd be extremely rich by now."
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boggaf05
CCNA, SCVU
Premium
join:2006-06-21
Gaffney, SC
clubs: | Over Compressed & HD Lite???? Looks like Dish is going deeper into over-compression and HD "Lite".
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| maxpower
join:2006-10-09
Providence, RI | Re: Over Compressed & HD Lite???? I have never used Dish's HD but there SD looks significantly better then my Cox cable does, especially when watching sports. | |
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dagg
join:2001-03-25
Rio Linda, CA
·Cox HSI
 ·Covad Communications
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| dish aint that bad... having a nice 2 year run with dish and having their HD package for one year of that time, i can tell you its one of the better services out there. I just got forced to move to Cox because of line of sight issues where i moved to and so far, cox HD service is a joke. the DVR is horrid, their guide menus look like they were ripped off from an 8bit gaming console, the converter cant make up its mind if it should be sending a 1080i signal or a 480i signal and half the time it sends the wrong signal. Unlike the Dish recievers which send a static signal and adjust the picture being sent over that signal to either be a 4:3 presentation or an HD presentation.
oh yeah... and dish does have more HD content than Cox. i dunno about the other providers & the amount of content, but i was happy with what i was getting vs. the price i was paying on Dish. | |
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Squirrelly
join:2000-10-24
Harrisburg, PA | Re: dish aint that bad... Dish is no where near dying and there picture quality beats anything comcast has hands down | |
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stenman
join:2007-03-07
Salinas, CA
·Verizon Wireless B..
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| Dish or Directv - neither provide value for the dollar I had DirecTV HD and switched to Dish HD and now am on DirecTV with standard service. Dish provided more control over the programming and actually provides better packages with HD. I just decided there was not enough content where HD provided a tangible benefit (and I have a 52" 1080p TV) for viewing.
Without competition I hate to think how miserable the service would be - thinking of the cable monopolies in the communities they operate. The local cable provider in my area does not even provide digital content much less Internet access.
What is unfortunate is that the companies providing content on the channels have been actively moving to reduce their costs to do so. I see channels like A&E that broadcast 2 programs alternately during the 5-11:59 p.m. time slot so for the 7 hour block there are not 5-7 program choices but 2 and these are usually repeated every week.
I checked and with my premium Directv setup I actually watch only 22 of the channels at all during the course of the year. And of the 22 channels, many have "paid programming" for more that 1/3 of the day, so I am paying extra to be able to watch hour long commercials, or even worse "reality" TV.
When my Directv contract ends I am dismantling the dish and getting whatever entertainment content from the Internet and Netflix. I already get all my news content from the Internet where I can get information not heavily censored or just plain made up by the extremists of the right wing corporate owned media. | |
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| Ulmo
join:2005-09-22
San Jose, CA
·Comcast
·SONIC.NET
| Re: Dish or Directv - neither provide value for the dollar said by stenman :where I can get information not heavily censored or just plain made up by the extremists of the right wing corporate owned media. More like left wing. | |
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punker
deleted by moderator
Premium
join:2004-06-21
Palmdale, CA
clubs:
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| Re: Dish or Directv - neither provide value for the dollar i moving to the UK
public TV is uncensored 
one of the Kitchen Nightmares episodes had nudity in it | |
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normat
Premium
join:2000-08-02
Boynton Beach, FL
clubs: | The only time I ever watch SD on DTV is when I put on Comedy Central or BBC. Otherwise there is more than enough HD. | |
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| eh2677
join:2007-12-27
Phippsburg, ME
| I agree whole-heartedly with your post... especially about the Right Wing biased news media that is so "clever" has even tried to present itself as being Left Wing! Not surprisingly, some people fall for it (some believe everything they read or hear). How many Americans would support the war in Iraq if there were photos of injured or killed soldiers every day in our "unbiased" newspapers and television news programs? | |
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JerryC23
Character Counts 40,41,43
Premium,ExMod 1999-03
join:1999-10-08
Humble, TX
·Comcast
·RoadRunner Cable
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July 12th, @05:22PM
| This may be Virgin Territory for me ... I don't remember ever committing on NEWS post before -
But this one caught my eye
I just committed to a two years package with Embarq, Internet, etc-w/Embarq.
**Dish has been installed and I really, really, really, really, glad to be back w/ them.
We've been dissatisfied for about 4 years with TimeWarner, Comcast,and DirectTV.
We have the best reception and best picture in 4-5 years.
I also looking forward to switching from ComcastCable and their lousy BroadbandCable service to real and consistent DSL with Embarq.
"* Did i mention that I'm really happy with the DISH reception?)
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JerryC23
Character Counts 40,41,43
Premium,ExMod 1999-03
join:1999-10-08
Humble, TX
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| Re: This may be Virgin Territory for me ... Never-mind - (I implied that this was new terratory for me ) | |
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JerryC23
Character Counts 40,41,43
Premium,ExMod 1999-03
join:1999-10-08
Humble, TX
·Comcast
·RoadRunner Cable
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July 12th, @04:12PM
| said by JerryC23 :I just committed to a two years package with Embarq, Internet-w/Embarq. ... **Dish has been installed and I ... I'll be writing a full review later --- when I know what I'm talking about | |
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keyboard5684
join:2001-08-01
Youngsville, PA
·WestPAnet Inc.
·WestPAnet Inc. CA..
·Verizon Online DSL
|  I love DirecTV, now.
Now, all the channels I watch and many I do not watch come in both SD and 1080HD which is nice. I even started watching stations I did not before because they were in HD, and I like them.
So I am impressed with what Directv has done.
Dish though, it is sorry when I go over to a friends house who has dish or Atlantic BB because there just is nothing there. It is sad. I think Directv has taken this one and next year will just finish beating down everyone else.
BTW. My local cable company charges $40 a month for 60 analog channels, no sh*t. The broadband comes from some third party, Madbbs.net, which has you mail them the payment, they do not even have an office. Pathetic.
So my choices are sat and I only have 2 choices. Directv hands down. | |
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Binary
join:2007-12-29
Creston, WV | I love dish because it's easy to hack.
I like them both. you get the same deal and shit | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Fuzzy logic Must be that new math.
95-15=80
80+17=97
97 is NOT 100!
these probably aren't DIFFERENT channels, just hd versions of network tv[abc, nbc, pbs, cbs] in each AREA they serve and theyre probably counting all those as different.
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| Joe12345678
join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL | Re: Fuzzy logic 17 channels and most of them are HBO and Starz and the rest are carp Lifetime HD (108), Lifetime Movie Network HD.
TurboHD Platinum platform package for $10 more?
Direct TV HD extra is only $5 more and HD net is in base HD. | |
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UpconvertBananza
@comcast.net
| Re: Fuzzy logic How many of these 100 channels that Dish broadcasts in HD are actually true 720p or, even more importantly, 1080i? Few television networks/channels actually broadcast their source signal in HD (Voom fooled a lot of clueless people with their fallacious claims that they offered the most HD channels of any provider, but they failed to advertise that they were merely upconverting SD channels).
Most of these "HD" channels on Dish, DirecTV and cable are STILL being upconverted by the cable/satellite provider. I don't consider anything truly HD unless it is broadcast at the SOURCE in HD, and then uncompressed by the provider (I realize that the providers must compress them before rebroadcast, but that's not the point).
If you want true HD, then you'll need a C-band satellite dish (4DTV) so that you can obtain the same source signal that the cable/satellite providers get, and then you can see it without the "middle man's" compression. Or you can get an HDTV antenna and pick up your local channels (usually) in an uncompressed format. The difference between these methods and watching it through a satellite/cable TV provider is night and day.
I just wish there was more info out there about which channels are being upconverted by these providers. | |
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join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | Re: Fuzzy logic Verizon claims that they don't apply extra compression to the channels delivered through the FiOS service- I haven't compared it to the OTA feeds though, I suppose that'd be the best way to check it. | |
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grydlok
join:2004-01-06
Richmond, VA | Your entire post flawed. | |
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Dunky
@comcast.net | "HDTV Antenna"
Obviously you KNOW NOT of what you speak. THEY DO NOT EXIST. | |
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fireflier
Coffee. . .Need Coffee
Premium
join:2001-05-25
Limbo
 ·Skype
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Fuzzy logic They "exist" but they're unnecessary. They're slick-looking re-designed (and some times integrated-amplifier)analog antennas sold as "HD" or "Digital" antennas.
The Yagi I put in my attick in 1999 picked up analog signals fine then and it picks up the digital signals fine now.
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MrMoody
Liberal Capitalist
join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC
·magicjack.com
·Embarq
| HD only package quote:
DISH will also be launching a new HD-only programming package called TurboHD that they say is the first of its kind.
If this is true, kudos again to Dish for offering what people want instead of what the content providers want them to get. The content providers will balk, though.
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| BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: current HD only package Um you have to by the NON-HD package to get those channels. Which is redundant. That is my biggest beef. Pretty much dish and DirecTv have every non-HD channel in HD form so if I have a HDTV( which one would assume if I'm paying $10 for the HD package ) why would I watch the non-HD channels instead of the HD versions? I woudn't so why not offer a HD-only tier? | |
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MrMoody
Liberal Capitalist
join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC
·magicjack.com
·Embarq
| Re: current HD only package said by BF69 :Um you have to by the NON-HD package to get those channels. Which is redundant. That is my biggest beef. That doesn't seem to be true, click the "Absolute" tab.
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DishFan
@verizon.net
| Re: current HD only package said by MrMoody :said by BF69 :Um you have to by the NON-HD package to get those channels. Which is redundant. That is my biggest beef. That doesn't seem to be true, click the "Absolute" tab. No, this just shows that even billion-dollar firms don't proof their web pages for accuracy. Try ordering it. | |
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supernac
join:2003-03-26
Springfield, MO | Nope, you only get the HD channels, if the channels happen to have a non hd version, you get that to. I have this package, it works out well for me. | |
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ztmike
Premium
join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN | Layout menu? My buddy went with DirecTV and said the HD lineup seems better, but he said the layout is trash compared to Dish.
(He has like a 55inch 1080p lcd set.)
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DV0407
join:2007-02-10
Orlando, FL
| Cramming too much in! Dish is cramming too much stuff on their current Sats. Hopefully their next launch is successful cause PQ will suffer.
DirecTV though has D11 in space and will be operational around the end of the month, after its done gallivanting at 101 testing its BSS stuff.
D12 will probably be launching next year too so the capacity only increases.
I personally love my DirecTV service and its interface. Many complain about the HD DVR but just wait for all the new features coming that the Cutting Edge testers like my self get to use. Also its been stated that the DVRs are getting a new GUI anyway if you dont like the current one.
Dish will get everything straight though with their HD, one a new Sat comes up.
Then by the end of 09 HD wont be a competition anymore(aside from the sports on DirecTV and Movies on Dish) with satellite TV as things will even out. So everyone wins! | |
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Fishie
join:2003-01-14
Riverside, CA
| More quality and less quanity! Currently, people only seem to care about quantity...not quality.
Dish may have 100 channels, but what about their quality? Which channels are HD? How much compression is used? Do they do anything else to the signal that may degrade visual quality?
I have had the luxury of seeing both signals on a variety of TVs. I must say, the DirecTV signal seemed to have a lot less compression. On Dish, I could see much more macro blocking on running water, reds, trees, etc.
Compression seems to be the key element for satellite/cable providers. Since that's the biggest quality factor that they can control. However, no one seems to care. I remember when Uverse was about to come out. People on this site would line up and say, "How can they use VDSL for TV? They won't even be able to get an HD stream on it. etc..etc." I couldn't believe that most of the people didn't think about AT&T compression their signal to death. Guess what? They did. Most people on the Uverse forums, including myself, complain that they quality is so horrible, that is should be free. With Dish's failed satellite launch, they might have to compress even more!
Of course, content providers share in the lack of quality. As previously mentioned, upconverting SD, sending low resolution, etc. are the most common enemies of quality. I personally think that everything should be 1080p, but they might not have the equipment for that just yet. God knows they are rich even to deploy it...hehe. Since a lot of shows are not entertaining, maybe they can actually get rid of some of their channels/shows to make room for higher resolution content?
Either way, a blind, tone deaf society seem to be the majority now. | |
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ultracooldave
@verizon.net
| Re: More quality and less quanity! Not requiring anyone using the term "HD" to output 1080I is just another example of our govt's total incompetence leading to needless confusion and a lower standard than we should expect in this country.
I have Dish HD with no complaints, I have seen several cable co. HD and it is mostly sub standard, don't know about Direct but there is nothing better than the Dish channel info/guide buttons!
Only FIOS will make cable competitive and where I live cable does not even have the internet yet and 3rd world quality. | |
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| jester121
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
·ViaTalk
| You're talking, of course, about a consumer public that buys TVs based on which ones have the brightest colors on the showroom floor. Retailers tinker with the contrast and color settings to move models that have been sitting too long or have better margins.
We're also still at the point where many people have just gotten their first HD TV in the past year or so. Shouldn't expect too much in the way of discerning eyes from people who are still in awe of a non SD signal. | |
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grafx1
Premium
join:2004-04-03
Mebane, NC
| Dish? not for me when we moved we thought we would try dish. i was not at home when they came to install so the put the dish in the middle of the yard and aimed it at a tree (oak, no leaves, middle of winter). guess what happened in the spring when it got leaves and it rained or there was a heavy dew. no picture. repeated calls to dish resulted in "it will cost 250$ for us to come move it". now i had ALL the channels that were offered at the time and a unit in 5 rooms. sooo, hello directv...ok we'll be out tomorrow. DTV placed the dish in a location out of the way and got a perfect signal. Hello dish, cancel my subscription to your service. why? you know. oh, we'll come move the dish - no charge. ok - move it to your truck along with all your receivers - they're out under the carport. Dish? my opinion it sucks. Long Live DirecTv!!! | |
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brooklynman4
join:2004-09-07
Brooklyn, NY | Re: Dish? not for me Depends on the installer not the company. | |
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elcubanito
@embarqhsd.net | Re: Dish? not for me i agree | |
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elcubanito
@embarqhsd.net
| dish is better for those who don't know cable companies do not transmit full resolution to their customer wild dish and direct tv does i use to be a cable installer and install many different packages of HD for brigthouse in top of the line HD ready tv and they don't look good when you compare same setup with dish | |
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NetEffects
join:2002-03-05
michigan
| Love It (8 Years +) Had Directv and Dish. Love Dish. Equipment works, firmware still being updated - even in old receivers. Price is fair and selection is great. I won't bash Directv becuase it's been a long time since I have had them, and they may have improved. The site still looks the same, very cable like. Introductory price / and real price. Dish is still, this is what it is, this is what it costs, done.
Family members have cable - yikes. I guess they just are buying into the ads with weather problems. All I know is, we have bad weather, the cable goes out, my satellite still works. Must be the couple miles above the earth thing, doesn't seem to be bothered by trees falling on cable lines.
So they are at 95 or 100, whatever. Even if it is only 95, they will all work with the same quality and modern menus - not the Atari version. Plus, the year aint over yet. Say what you want, Im keeping my dish. Good luck tomorrow Echostar XI / Sea Launch team!
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xv920
join:2002-08-27
Campbell, CA
| I wish they bring Voom channels back The two channels that I most frequently watched in my DishHD package were Monster Channel and KungFu Channel. They have taken out those Voom channels for a few months now and I miss those. I also loved Animania channel.
Hey Dish Network, if you want to add more HD channels, why don't you bring back those Voom network channels?
And what's up with that TNT HD? That awkwardly elongated picture! I don't believe they have done this and call it HD! | |
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