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Don't you get it yet? You don't "pay" for music content anymore! You pay for the chance to listen to the music content. Whether you like the variety or not, doesn't matter. CD's yup, you guessed it. You simply pay for the chance to listen to it. The CD is yours. You can do what ever you want to with it, but what's on the disc still belongs to the record companies. If you want to listen to the contents of that disk in the house and in the car at the same time, you need to buy two CD's.
You need to be glad the RIAA doesn't have a neuralizer or else they would erase that "tune in your head" so you don't have an illegal copy of it!
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Don't you get it yet? You don't "pay" for music content anymore! You pay for the chance to listen to the music content. Whether you like the variety or not, doesn't matter. CD's yup, you guessed it. You simply pay for the chance to listen to it. The CD is yours. You can do what ever you want to with it, but what's on the disc still belongs to the record companies. If you want to listen to the contents of that disk in the house and in the car at the same time, you need to buy two CD's.
You need to be glad the RIAA doesn't have a neuralizer or else they would erase that "tune in your head" so you don't have an illegal copy of it!
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Well I don't and won't buy into the idea that I have to have a CD for every single CD Player that I own, That's just plain stupid(Ridiculous even?), If that were true I'd have to buy 3 CDs of everything and when I get a AM/FM/CD Player for My Car I'd need 4, Can You say instant Money Maker for the RIAA???? If I have 1 CD of something, I'll play It where ever I want, What are They going to do next say that I can't object? I thought the US Constitution/Amendments Guranteed Freedom of Choice? The RIAA Sucks. I'm all for buying CDs off the shelf, But not 3 or 4 of the same title at a time. | |
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If they could have a device to find out how many ears were listening and bill your CC for each one it found I'm sure the RIAA would do it. | |
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I thought that was the very definition of fair use!
You're forgetting that RIAA has already outlawed fair use via the DMCA. | |
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At this point the RIAA and the recording industry should simply store away and lock up all of their legally protected music recordings in a large vault where they are safe from supposedly "unauthorized recording". Unfortunately these ultra- protected recordings will become quickly forgotten and worthless to the next generation of listeners.
In the meantime people in the U.S and the world will move on to better, less expensive, and more easily accessible types of entertainment. The world will be enjoying other forms of media, music, video, computer games, and other media not associated with the RIAA and its music monopoly. The U.S. music industry's forty plus years of monopoly control over music in the United States is over. The problem is that the RIAA still doesn't comprehend that its biggest threat is not America's legal paying customers of XM Radio but instead the real danger to their profits is what they are facing with the emergence of a diverse and growing international digital media market. | |
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| Clueless yet again So they develop a receiver specifically for computers and are shocked that someone taught it to record?! You've got to be kidding me. Cause i'm sure everyone else with the XM PCR bought it because they just needed to have XM available to them at their computer.
RIAA/MPAA/BSA...If it can be played on a device, then it can be copied by a device. Give up.
With all the money spent combating piracy to "protect" the artists and make sure they get their deserved money...the various associations could of just stopped investing in all this anti-piracy crap and used that money to pay the artists (not that paying the artist is/was ever their real intention)
Game makers need to learn this also, you spend millions developing technologies like SafeDisc, SecurRom, Starforce...MILLIONS spent on anti-piracy technologies that are defeated and removed from the game before the game is even available to the general public.
I'm not saying the companies should entirely give up on anti-piracy..but rather hold off their wasteful spending and childish games until they have even the remotest of clues/innovations on how to come up with a protection that can't be cracked within 7 days
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| Re: Clueless yet again That will never happen. Corporate suits (especially in finance) don't really know a lot about computers. You can bet they're wizards in Excel & Minitab, but after that, the knowledge is fleeting.
Generally, the anti-piracy software is developed by a third party and marketed expertly to corporate copyright holders. It's not a stretch to convince the suits that you're product will not be cracked for a couple of years. Hence, you have several companies buying unproven software, for huge $$$, without any kind of guarantee. | |
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| Re: Rumor! said by xmrocks :
This is all a rumor still. XMFan is supporting the program which goes violates your TOS when subscribing to XM Satellite Radio.
XM has NOT announced ANYTHING regarding the discontinuation of the product. TimeTrax, the program in question, also has the potential to screw with your computer and mess up it's settings. A few people over at XM411.com have proven that.
Also, the SkyFi 2 also never included USB connectivity, and won't. That decision was not based on this TimeTrax software. XMFan is known for making rumors and supporting shitty products.
If you go to XM's site all of the resellers have the XM PCR out of stock. Then go and search ebay, $200+
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| XM Record What does this PCR do? Does it also capture title/artist? Currently, I go Line Out from XM, Line IN to PC, and record manually. But it is only while I am sitting at my PC. And most importantly RIAA IT IS FOR MY OWN PERSONAL USE ONLY.
I used to work for Clear Channel Broadcasting, and was told by many PD's that there is nothing illegal about recording from the radio...XM included.
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TimeTrax, the program in question, also has the potential to screw with your computer and mess up it's settings. A few people over at XM411.com have proven that.
As does any program that access your harddrive and operating system, whats your point? I can find complaints about almost any software title where someone complains that is has ruined their computer and/or settings.
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| Oh, this is just great. The software violates the TOS so "we pretend it doesn't exist and don't speak about it" is the rule on xm411.com. Except for this thread: »www.xm411.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=5770
This is exactly like TivoCommunity, where the mods delete any mention of video extraction. If you pay for the hardware, you should be able to do whatever you want with it. So it's against the terms of service to record an XM broadcast? The worst XM can do is cut off your service, they can't sue you for breaking the TOS.
I can't believe the number of people on xm411 just repeating the party line over and over: "This facilitates piracy." The author of TimeTrax even dropped in to defend himself, and he got harassed by the self-appointed fanboy junior copyright cops.
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| Re: Rumor! I love these laws, rules, regulations based on the "Might be used illegally" argument.
What a crock of crap. Supposedly the reason in the USA that you can't return opened software, music, or movies is because "That would facilitate piracy". BS. It's so they can trick you into buying crap and you can't get your money back.
This type of logic is flawed and shows the duality of corporate America. Hell, *anything* *could* possibly be used illegally--- but they aren't banned, are they?
Ban computers because somebody might copy something?
Ban Guns because someone might use one in a robbery?
Ban Cars because they are used as getaway vehicles?
Crazy... Banning hardware and software because it *might* be issued to copy something. Nuts.
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These guys are against the software yet they raised the price on the PCR in their online store from $39 to $69 while they speak bad of things they are laughing all the way to the bank. | |
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| where is business going ? I dont understand the business impact of this, its not file sharing, and you could record directly from on air radio? How does this affect RIAAs profit? except alienate the customer again?
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Wayne, PA | Re: where is business going ? It's Digital Divergence
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XM does more than just music. They have lots of talk radio stations including ESPN.
Well yeah, but I'm sure that's not what the RIAA cares about. | |
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 OMG, i'm recording FM RADIO on a CASSETTE TAPE!! OMG! OMG! RIAA, COME ARREST ME! I'M BREAKING THE LAW! COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT! PIRACY! PIRACY!! | |
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| Re: WTF?! said by xmrocks :
No, not really. The XMPCR sends the signal to your computer/speakers/whatever through analog, unless you made the signal digital (which you can do).
So, you're wrong.
No i'm referring to the fact that the RIAA regardless of codecs being lossy consider digitally broadcast music that can be copied "bit for bit" flawlessly each time to be illegal means of copying versus an analog to analog copy which incurs more loss each time it is copied.
So we're both right.
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| Re: WTF?! I don't believe the XMPCR allows digital recording. The USB, I've heard, is only used for changing channels and displaying the artist and song name. All music goes through analog. Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't have XM but that's what I heard.
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| Re: hmm said by tomkb :
I thought this whole matter with the RIAA and Fair Use was settled. Recording music isn't illegal.
But listening to music you recorded wants to be illegal by the RIAA unless you pay them for each song, on each media, on each day of the week, on each week of the year, on each year.
Get the picture? RIAA wants you to pay each time you listen. | |
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| The recording industry used to care very much about cassette tapes. VHS is an analog device as well, and the MPAA fought tooth and nail to have it squashed. Its ironic all the money it has made for them. The RIAA made the same attempt to crush the cassette tape, but it didnt have the publicity of the VHS decision. They tried to get a copy protect system on all cassette tapes, but it was found to have a significant negative impact on the tapes sound quality, so it was never implemented. The RIAA\MPAA hate ALL forms of technology, digital or analog. If it was up to them, we'd still be listening to music on wax cylinders, and paying to watch movies in little boxes on street corners. | |
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| It's clear channel .. A** Covering plain and simple. Ever since the superbowl they have been ducking for cover and as a result their product gets lamer and lamer every day.
Besides, with a good sound card and an interface that doesn't rely on the FM tuner, do you realy need a tuner attached to your PC?
Which, by the way is why most of you think the sound is bad, it's because your still using the FM Tuner in your car radio. Kind of defeats the purpose doesn't it. While us pickier audio people will spend the money on a Sirrius ready deck and avoid that darn FM tuner all together. | |
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Charlotte, NC | Re: It's clear channel .. And us even "pickier" ones have a modified XMPCR with optical TOSLink outputs.
Acutally, the XMPCR could be had last week (or week prior) at the xmfanstore for $14.99 (no antenna). | |
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join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
| Down with RIAA Why is it that RIAA can impose all these garbage rules on digital content but doesn't even care about the analog side. They are directly hurting innovation in this country by trying to ban every legitimate good technology, just because someone can get a copy of music off of it. The world isn't just about music and some how RIAA must be shown that. | |
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All because of this software and XM possibly stopping the distribution of it.
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| Re: XMPCR has beome a hot item on Ebay!! Okay, how about if I put temporary stopped the distribution of it? Gesssh.
It's not in stock at any store, and the items are going for well over 300 on Ebay, somebody knows something.
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|  Nine Things the RIAA,MPAA Do Not Want You to Know
Posted by Thomas Hawk on August 23, 2004 05:41 PM »blogcritics.org/archives/2004/08···4120.php
First. I’m going to get two kinds of criticisms for this article. The first is going to come in some form of “… but what you’re suggesting violates the law… file sharing is wrong, it’s unethical. It’s wrong for you to show people how to do illegal and unethical things.”
To the first I would say the ethics are murky. Heck copyright law is murky. The debate between protecting artists’ interests and/or corporate profits is murky. The artists themselves have widely diverging opinions on the subject. What exactly is fair use?
Also, because something is technically illegal does not always make it unethical – the examples are endless: jaywalking, speeding, smoking pot in your house, women voting, sodomy laws, gay marriage, whatever. Some of these issues are black and white for some on both sides and for many are gray and in the middle.
The second form of criticism is going to come in some form of “oh man, why did you have to tell them about that!”
To the second I would say, trust me, they already know.
My personal opinion is that the current state of the RIAA is like that of a child playing with one of those pop-up toys. Every time you hit one of the pop-ups on the head with the hammer another one pops up somewhere else. From shutting down Napster to suing grandmothers, my feeling is that their tactics have largely backfired and done nothing but create an enormous amount of ill will and bad publicity directed their way -- not to mention karma.
The point of my article is that I’m not making a judgment one way or the other I’m merely pointing out where the little buggers are popping up these days.
I will leave it to others to discuss the ethics of it all.
On to the list
Nine Things the RIAA, MPAA, Apple, Walmart.com, et. al. Do Not Want You to Know… or How to Build a Large Digital Media Library on the Cheap.
1. Rent it Used. Hmmm… I can pay Apple .99 cents a song or Walmart.com even less or… I can go out to one of the many used CD stores and buy some discs and return them for credit via their “insurance” policy.
So, how does this work? What is an insurance policy? Well most used CDs are priced anywhere from $2.99 to $11.99. If I buy one with say 12 tracks at one of the many flourishing used CD stores (no wonder Tower Records went bankrupt) for say $8.99 then return it within one week for 75% store credit, how much have I paid for a track. Yes, that’s right a little over $.18.
Now you do the math. Would you rather have a perfect, crystal clear mp3 with correct meta data and no DRM for $.18 or would you rather pay iTunes $.99 for a crippled piece of crap. And, yes, the policies also apply to their new CDs.
By the way, when is someone going to come out with the Columbia Netflix CD of the month Club? Remember? 10 CDs for a penny. How about I pay a monthly fee and you send me 10 CDs at a time. I get 10 more when I send them back.
2. Sneaker Net. So if I have burned all my CDs to hard drive and my friend happens to also have an external hard rive, would it be possible to hook both of these hard drives up to the same computer? Hmmm. I wonder. He sure does have an awful lot of mp3s. Since he’s my friend I’m doing him a favor right? Storing a back up copy for him. Isn’t fair use about sharing amongst friends? I mean he can burn me a CD to listen to right? Or can he? Wow, he certainly does have a large collection. Geez, I wonder why all the external 250 gig external hard drives are out of stock at CompUSA?
3. Help Out a Friend, Co-worker, Neighbor, etc., Help Yourself. What, you mean you haven’t ripped all of your CDs to mp3 yet? Here, let me help you out. In fact, since I’m such a good friend, why don’t I just rip all of your CDs for you and transfer them to your iPod for you since you’re not exactly sure how to do it. Just leave them with me for the weekend. Geez if only my hot ex girlfriend with the fantastic indie collection didn't have that restraining order against me, darn it. Hey I didn't realize that the public library had CDs... cool.
4. Kaaza Lite. Darn it. I can’t find that new song that I heard on the Soprano’s last night at the CD store. I hate going on to Kaaza. I mean the spyware and pop up ads and the all that crap. What’s that? Kaaza Lite? Interesting. What, do a Google search for “Kaaza Lite?” Ok. I’ll try that. Hey, this sure beats Kaaza.
5. Will I Be Sued? Ok, so Kaaza Lite’s pretty cool, but aren’t I going to get sued for picking off that one single track that I can’t find at the CD store? Well, probably not. First of all supposedly at present the RIAA is only going after you if you’re actually sharing and not just taking (yeah, yeah I know, you’re a giver). Second, even if you are a giver it’s still pretty unlikely. It’s probably more likely that you’d get struck by lightning. Slashdot covered a post on this a while back.
6. How to Find New Artists. Try a legal mp3 site. Just go to Google and type in “legal mp3.” You’d be surprised at all of the free music that is out there right now – this represents a whole new way to find artists and there are some pretty great ones out there. And by the way definitely follow this new Open Source Media Project thing that JD is pursuing over at JD’s New Media Musings.
7. Total Recorder. Do a search for Total Recorder on download.com, tucows.com, etc. What does Total Recorder do for me? Well it records anything played through your soundcard on your PC. Does this include any live music that I record from television? Yes. How about a copy protected CD? Well, if it will play in any way on your PC, yes. What about a radio stream or broadcast? Again, yes. What if on my regular old home stereo system I use my line out to go into my PC and listen to my audio CD through a line in on my PC? Heck, this might just work. Anything that travels as audio through your soundcard can be captured.
8. BitTorrent. Enough said. Google it. Check out bitoogle.com.
9. Ok, so the music thing is pretty nice but what about high quality artwork to show on that beautiful new plasma in my living room? Check out “advanced image searches” at Google, Yahoo! and (yep believe it or not) Ask Jeeves. Right click, save as, now it’s in your library. But aren’t these images copyrighted? I don’t know, maybe. So sue Google. | |
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| Re: Nine Things the RIAA,MPAA Do Not Want You to K What an awesome post!!
But instead of using Total Recorder which cost $, you can use Audacity with the Lame MP3 encoder for free.
Audacity will also let you record anything to MP3 that is playing through your sound card.
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| Re: Nine Things the RIAA,MPAA Do Not Want You to K I never did like what Total Recorder does as far as
taking over audio drivers. But what I use for recording
from streaming services (both free and paid) is Cool Edit.
It isn't free, but there are free programs that will
record audio. Both CDex and Exact Audio Copy have audio
recording functions built in to them. And so does Nero (but
it isn't free).
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| Disturbing.... Did anyone but me just read some other articles about this and pick up on this disturbing little gem...
"XM's lawyers told MacLean to discontinue his sales and provide the company with a list of purchasers"
So XM not only wants him to stop selling it, but they want him to disclose everyone's name who bought it, most likely so they can cross reference their billing DB and cancel/haress those customers.
thankfully his response was "He said he had no intention of complying and added that he had no such list. "
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| Re: What's NEXT? (Watch for the ability to extract audio content from cable TV audio, from streaming radio programs like Yahoo Launchcast, as well as digital and ultimately analog radio stations.)
Too late, StationRipper copys any streaming audio feed straight to mp3. Seems that the Riaa is always about a year behind the power curve. | |
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| Re: What's NEXT? Who's to say that you need the PC Reciever to do this? Hell, the Home Adapter Kit and a Stereo is more than capable of doing the same thing....just record it onto an almost obsolete tape and then get a portable tape player, plug it into your sound card via the speaker input / output cable (except switch the input to line input) and record all you want to. There are plenty of programs out there that you can use to edit your songs, or even organize them the same way the programmer did.
The matter of the fact is, the damn programmer got greedy, figured he could make some money by selling the software he created for HIMSELF to use because he missed a lot of programs he wanted to hear and caused all kinds of havoc for everyone else...and now you wonder why there is even such a thing as the RIAA...because people are stupid! | |
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