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Napping, disinterested attendees mysteriously appear, cheer Comcast
(old news - 04:19PM Tuesday Feb 26 2008)
tags: business · cable · Oddities · Comcast
The Save The Internet Coalition, a coalition of consumer advocates like the Consumers Union (authors of Consumer Reports) and the Free Press, is claiming that Comcast bussed in a large number of disinterested individuals to yesterday's public FCC hearing at Harvard on network neutrality and traffic shaping. The group is claiming Comcast paid these individuals so those seats would not be filled with interested, question-asking participants. Many didn't even know what the meeting was about:
They arrived en masse some 90 minutes before the hearing began and occupied almost every available seat, upon
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which many promptly fell asleep. One told us that he was “just getting paid to hold someone’s seat.” (audio) He added that he had no idea what the meeting was about. Many of this early crowd had mysteriously matching yellow highlighters stuck in their lapels. We also photographed them outside the venue being handed papers by an organizer who had been seen earlier talking with several of the Comcast people at the hearing.
Attendees say those who weren't napping applauded loudly at the end of Comcast Executive Vice President David Cohen's presentation. Cohen spent the day deflecting criticism of Comcast's decision to throttle upstream BitTorrent traffic via forged TCP packets.

Update: Portfolio says that Comcast has admitted to hiring the people, but claims they were simply being used as line placeholders so that company employees could attend the hearing. However, the fact remains these "placeholders" stayed through the meeting prohibiting others from attending:
Comcast spokewoman Jennifer Khoury said the company paid some people to arrive early and hold places in the queue for local Comcast employees who wanted to attend the hearing. Some of those placeholders, however, did more than wait in line: they filled many of the seats at the meeting, according to eyewitnesses. As a result, scores of Comcast critics and other members of the public were denied entry because the room filled up well before the beginning of the hearing.
A video of the hearing is now available at the FCC website (albeit in Real Player format). It's increasingly clear that if the FCC does anything at all, it will likely be to require greater transparency in exactly how ISPs manage their networks. That should allow broadband consumers to make an intelligent choice between ISPs that throttle upstream P2P traffic and boot egregious bandwidth users (Comcast), and providers who do not (Verizon).

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SilverSurfer

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February 26th, @04:23PM

No Surprise Here

Yep. Comcrap went out and rounded up some bums, agreed to bussing them to & from the hearing, and paid them -my guess is $20.00 for their time- and to cheer in all the right places for the company. Why is this even news? No person who has even a passing interest in the subject matter would waste an entire day attending a hearing only to fall asleep and/or cheer for the cheesedicks at Comcrap.

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Re: No Surprise Here

not surprise here. Hopefully their spokesman will post respond soon.
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hopeflicker
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LOL, this is just fucking great!

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said by SilverSurfer See Profile :

No person who has even a passing interest in the subject matter would waste an entire day attending a hearing only to fall asleep and/or cheer for the cheesedicks at Comcrap.
are you sure these people weren't actually techs?

after all they do have a habit of falling asleep
irsean

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Re: No Surprise Here

Bah-zinnnngggg!

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Just another hole (gaping at that) in Comcast's credibility

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Great Picture

That is a great picture!
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Re: Great Picture

said by CyberSultan See Profile :

That is a great picture!
Looks like any of a dozen of lecture halls at Harvard or any university in America to me....

BabyBear
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Re: Great Picture

Yeah until the disgrunted student walks in.

jamez818
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tactics

Home Depot did that in our town hall meetings here in Sunland. Big companies use these tactics to make it look like they have the support.
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BabyBear
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Re: tactics

Well, they in fact did have supporters. Trouble is that had to pay for them. Which when you think about is something they are used to doing. Just ask any politican.

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February 26th, @04:58PM

How much you want to bet, those "papers" were non disclosure agreements that they had to sign to get thier money.
Id also bet, some of those people dont give a rats rear what they signed, they will talk to anyone about it for another $20.00.
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So...

Wouldn't the people at the hearing notice that some people are sleeping though and think that something is up?

Former

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That's Comcastic

Maybe it was not hired seat fillers, rather it was some of their field techs. We all know how much they like to sleep! LoL

Comcrap we love you!

BabyBear
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Fanboy for Hire!

Was Comcast Rick there!?!

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Re: Fanboy for Hire!

said by BabyBear See Profile :

Was Comcast Rick there!?!
Ouch, harsh blow! Although I must admit, it IS a strange occurrence these days to see someone who is happy with their ISP!

Ok Rick See Profile, how much are they paying you?!?

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sad and funny

who can just fall asleep like that??

more evidence that corporate greed is the 8th wonder of the world.

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said by morbo See Profile :

who can just fall asleep like that??
No one who works a job, pays bills and has taxes to worry about.

Essentially, bums.

Comcast is such a herd of scumbags. I can't wait to evict them from my life...
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said by morbo See Profile :

who can just fall asleep like that??

::chuckle:: said by a person who has never attended a goverment meeting. I for one have trouble staying awake at
droning, state the obvious (or is it oblivious?) rantings of goverment officials.
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Confused by picture..

For a minute there, I thought those were Comcast techs.. but then I realized that they weren't in customer's homes.

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Did they get paid extra to cheer?

 

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Re: Did they get paid extra to cheer?

said by JTRockville See Profile :

 
I am sure that was the Comcast employees who attended.

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Re: Did they get paid extra to cheer?

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said by JTRockville See Profile :

 
I am sure that was the Comcast employees who attended.
***YOU*** would like to think, huh?
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en102
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It would have been cheaper to use employees...
They're already trained to sleep on the job
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Re: Did they get paid extra to cheer?

quote:
It would have been cheaper to use employees...
They're already trained to sleep on the job
Oh snap!

LOL

en102
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Re: Did they get paid extra to cheer?

Well... some were caught in the past, sleeping on the job, if I'm not mistaken.
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Jovi

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Sad

Nothing anyone can say/do can make this to be a good thing for Comcast. It's messed up and then some. I wonder what they feared by the hundreds of people waiting to get in and say their peace? I thought all those million dollar attorney's could do anything.
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February 26th, @04:57PM

Re: Sad

It is a public meeting. Usually the only ones that ever go to these type of meeting are people to bitch about something. If your service is working fine than my guess they had no incentive to go to this meeting. Go to any city council meeting in any state and you will must likely see what am talking about. Kind of hard to have a fair meeting when all those attending in the crowd are active participants, one way or another.
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Re: Sad

said by JSRoman See Profile :

It is a public meeting. Usually the only ones that ever go to these type of meeting are people to bitch about something. If your service is working fine than my guess they had no incentive to go to this meeting. Go to any city council meeting in any state and you will must likely see what am talking about. Kind of hard to have a fair meeting when all those attending in the crowd are active participantsone way or another.
So your saying that Comcast has a right to block people from speaking their mind in public hearing regardless? If the FCC actually spent time to set up a hearing, then it is pretty pointless to have a majority of a certain viewpoint represented. Comcast, as a single entity/corporation, is large enough to have a few individuals attend to speak for them.
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Re: Sad

said by Jovi See Profile :

said by JSRoman See Profile :

It is a public meeting. Usually the only ones that ever go to these type of meeting are people to bitch about something. If your service is working fine than my guess they had no incentive to go to this meeting. Go to any city council meeting in any state and you will must likely see what am talking about. Kind of hard to have a fair meeting when all those attending in the crowd are active participantsone way or another.
So your saying that Comcast has a right to block people from speaking their mind in public hearing regardless? If the FCC actually spent time to set up a hearing, then it is pretty pointless to have a majority of a certain viewpoint represented. Comcast, as a single entity/corporation, is large enough to have a few individuals attend to speak for them.
Wise up. This is std practice for every politician running for office and all public meetings. Usually though, those clogging up public meetings are construction union workers and family members of the elected officials that push thru redevelopment projects in every township in America.
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Jovi

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Re: Sad

said by TK Junk Mail See Profile :

said by Jovi See Profile :

said by JSRoman See Profile :

It is a public meeting. Usually the only ones that ever go to these type of meeting are people to bitch about something. If your service is working fine than my guess they had no incentive to go to this meeting. Go to any city council meeting in any state and you will must likely see what am talking about. Kind of hard to have a fair meeting when all those attending in the crowd are active participantsone way or another.
So your saying that Comcast has a right to block people from speaking their mind in public hearing regardless? If the FCC actually spent time to set up a hearing, then it is pretty pointless to have a majority of a certain viewpoint represented. Comcast, as a single entity/corporation, is large enough to have a few individuals attend to speak for them.
Wise up. This is std practice for every politician running for office and all public meetings. Usually though, those clogging up public meetings are construction union workers and family members of the elected officials that push thru redevelopment projects in every township in America.
I consider myself quite wise actually. Just because it's commonplace, doesn't make it right my friend.
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Re: Sad

Well said ethics are sorely lacking in American business and politics. Just because it is the norm, does not mean it is ok.

RangerTX
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said by TK Junk Mail See Profile :

said by Jovi See Profile :

said by JSRoman See Profile :

It is a public meeting. Usually the only ones that ever go to these type of meeting are people to bitch about something. If your service is working fine than my guess they had no incentive to go to this meeting. Go to any city council meeting in any state and you will must likely see what am talking about. Kind of hard to have a fair meeting when all those attending in the crowd are active participantsone way or another.
So your saying that Comcast has a right to block people from speaking their mind in public hearing regardless? If the FCC actually spent time to set up a hearing, then it is pretty pointless to have a majority of a certain viewpoint represented. Comcast, as a single entity/corporation, is large enough to have a few individuals attend to speak for them.
Wise up. This is std practice for every politician running for office and all public meetings. Usually though, those clogging up public meetings are construction union workers and family members of the elected officials that push thru redevelopment projects in every township in America.
Compact paid them to be their. They hired them, this is not standard practice.

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Re: Sad

said by RangerTX See Profile :

Comcast paid them to be there. They hired them, this is not standard practice.
No, it's not standard practice -- but is it "reasonable network management?"

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Having been to a few of those meetings myself, all I saw was developers and their lawyers, lying through their teeth all too often.

But I suppose if you see an opening to slam someone and something on idealogical grounds, why not take it, right?

You are quite predictable.

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said by TScheisskopf See Profile :

Having been to a few of those meetings myself, all I saw was developers and their lawyers, lying through their teeth all too often.
Since that's all you saw, perhaps you can give one specific example?
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Re: Sad

Sure. Right here where I live. A developer and his lawyer making all sorts of promises, like a new ladder truck for the fire department and a senior center for the town, while making wild accusations against the town attorney, a man of impeccable ethics.

He got all the approvals he needed, with an ease that was stunning. And the financing. Oh yes, the financing. He has not turned one shovel-full of earth or hammered one nail.

It was a big project too. No union members were seen for miles, at any time. For all the building that took place out here, until the market tanked, the unions were never an issue. In fact, you can probably make a better ideological aside about undocumented aliens, when talking about the building trades around here. Them developers sure do love them some undocumented aliens.

But we weren't talking about me, originally. Were we?

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Oh, No! Sorry. I was confused. I thought you were saying that "all I saw was developers and their lawyers, lying through their teeth all too often" at the FCC meeting.

I listened to the whole meeting, and what I heard didn't jive with what you said -- that's why I asked. I didn't mean to challenge you about anything other than the FCC meeting.
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Re: Sad

Ok, Robb. No probs. I just wanted to make sure that you didn't think I was entering a dogfight with a Big Wheel.
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All reports so far are saying that Comcast rep. was drilled pretty hard by FCC and Congressional representatives. Nowhere in any report does it say that the other side couldn't have done the same thing and we will never know because no one asked.

So you would have preferred a meeting filled with people from the other side that would have standing ovation every time someone made pointed remark about Comcast.

Rules don't change just because it is Comcast.
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Re: Sad

said by JSRoman See Profile :

...

So you would have preferred a meeting filled with people from the other side that would have standing ovation every time someone made pointed remark about Comcast...
I think MOST of us would have preferred a meeting that was not rigged by comcast.

and that's what they did - rig the meeting. for one to suggest that this is in any way appropriate behavior indicates they have suspect ethics or are awfully gullible.

yeah, others may do similar things, but as mentioned earlier, that doesn't make it right.

should be no question now - comcast is one of the evil corporations.
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Re: Sad

said by nasadude See Profile :

said by JSRoman See Profile :

...

So you would have preferred a meeting filled with people from the other side that would have standing ovation every time someone made pointed remark about Comcast...
I think MOST of us would have preferred a meeting that was not rigged by comcast.

and that's what they did - rig the meeting. for one to suggest that this is in any way appropriate behavior indicates they have suspect ethics or are awfully gullible.

yeah, others may do similar things, but as mentioned earlier, that doesn't make it right.

should be no question now - comcast is one of the evil corporations.
How was the meeting rigged? The audience wasn't the ones asking the question.
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jt66

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so is it wrong for a company to hold a few spots for there co workers. i would like to know how many people were payed to be there by comcast. if it was only two or three people no big deal. now if they filled half the room up with people they paid to be there, that is wrong.

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February 26th, @07:14PM

said by JSRoman See Profile :

All reports so far are saying that Comcast rep. was drilled pretty hard by FCC and Congressional representatives. Nowhere in any report does it say that the other side couldn't have done the same thing and we will never know because no one asked.
Bzzzt. Wrongo, bucko.

said by Conde Nast Portfolio :
Free Press had been trying to organize supporters to attend the hearing by issuing press releases and circulating flyers advertising the event.

Unlike Comcast, Free Press did not pay anyone to stand in line, Aaron said, nor did it provide transportation to any of its supporters.
http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/top-5/2008/02/26/Comcast-FCC-Hearing-Strategy
said by JSRoman See Profile :

So you would have preferred a meeting filled with people from the other side that would have standing ovation every time someone made pointed remark about Comcast.
You obviously didn't attend or listen to the meeting audio. Quite frankly, the audience participation was quite polite. There was polite applause for all of the presenters (except for Comcast's presentation, which brought applause so abnormally loud it might have brought the house down).

Other than that, the audience basically let the meeting happen, with maybe 4-5 spontaneous bursts of applause throughout the day after a presenter (on either side) made a particularly popular point.

said by JSRoman See Profile :

Rules don't change just because it is Comcast.
No, I don't suppose that they do. But it's good to get the facts out so that people can know how clean or slimy the company is behaving throughout this inquiry.
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February 26th, @05:03PM

wait a minute...

So... these people weren't even hired for a music video?

Wow. Extraordinarily lame.

I have to ask. What DID happen at the meeting then? Anything worth reporting? I mean, besides paid bums who were obviously bored enough to sleep.

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Comcast admits to paying people to show up...
»www.portfolio.com/news-markets/t···Strategy

Link from article linked here at DSLR/BBR... just thought I'd post this link.

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February 26th, @05:09PM

Yes we do, not we don't, yes we do...

Well, they admitted to it:

»www.portfolio.com/news-markets/t···Strategy

So let's see, they:

* Publicly admit to paying people to fill seats (for whatever reason -- don't care what the "truth" is here, the fact that any company would PAY MONEY to fill spots is atrocious)
* ...but won't admit to sending spoofed TCP RST packets both directions (to source and destination)
* ...won't admit to even using Sandvine equipment
* ...despite someone apparently seeing Sandvine boxes in the trash bins (why not recycling bins, dammit?!?!) outside of a facility
* ...but depending on who you ask at Comcast, WILL admit to owning Sandvine equipment

180 degrees... And the beat goes on... NO MORE QUESTIONS!!
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Titus Pullo
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Sounds like KKKarl

CONsulting to me.
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February 26th, @08:31PM

Dear Comcast Get a Backbone

o not understand why Comcast puts up with this crap. It is their network.If the A Democrat what pull the net socialism crap ten I would have a poison pill. If it was me:

If net Neutrality Laws are pass them immediately all broadband will be cap at 3Megs max. 2. It will not be in our interest to upgrade the connection. 3. we will pursue private upgrade options for customers willing to pay. If you the customer, do any thing than degrades the node,we will gladly refund your last payment, terminate all services, and send a technician to cut and remove the cable from your property.
Google can go to hell. If Google wants to complain we can have our lawyers make a contract to wave any liabilities and we can meet in any box gym or street conner to settle it like men. If you can knock me out you win or I going to wipe the floor with wiry whiny ass face send you back to your hole in an ambulance. The only way I will listen to Google if the CEO fights me. Heck we will put on UFC pay per view.
[see my reply]

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What A Load of Comcrap..

I am not surprised the fucked over people that were willing to tear them a new one over their BS tactics, and I hope the FCC takes this act seriously and crucifies the whole company big time.

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Re: What A Load of Comcrap..

said by yuutomo See Profile :

I hope the FCC takes this act seriously and crucifies the whole company big time.
That'll happen.
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This is the reason Net Neutrality laws needed

If Comcast's view was right they wouldn't need to lower themselves to using dirty tricks. Not to mention anything that Comcast is for generally isn't good.

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Sorry for my earlier post

The "KKKarl" reference is a long standing political jab (political blogs) at Karl Rove and his tactics during the past two elections, and CON was in caps to allude to "con" artists. It had nothing to do with 'news guy' Karl, and I shouldn't have posted it in any event.

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Re: Sorry for my earlier post

said by Titus Pullo See Profile :

I'm very sorry for those who took offense.
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