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(old news - 06:34PM Wednesday Dec 17 2003)
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Yet another "grass roots" organization (that isn't) gets plenty of press this week for a "study" claiming broadband deregulation cures unemployment. It also cures dandruff, scratchy-dry throats, incontinence, world-hunger, and leaves your mouth tasting minty fresh. -

The Citizens for a Sound Economy dubs itself a "grass roots organization" and consumer advocacy group, though it's primarily a lobbying group funded by industry and led by ex-congressman Dick Armey. It's one of a growing number of industry groups trying to impact the broadband debate while pretending to be interested in consumer welfare.

The group this week is gaining attention thanks to its internal "study", dubbed "State Economies Can Benefit from Broadband Deployment." The report (available here in pdf format) is being reconstituted and circulated in press release form from state to state, focusing on each state's fiscal problems and assuming that deregulation of the broadband industry is the obvious panacea for any and all economic concerns.

In Virginia for instance, a CSE press release notes that while West Virginia lost 2 percent of its high-tech jobs in 2002, deregulation of the broadband industry should fix such pesky unemployment problems. "widespread broadband deployment in West Virginia would increase employment in the sector by 41 percent, and spark just under $2 billion in new economic output," the study claims. "Moreover, this boost would come at no cost to West Virginia taxpayers or the federal government."

Deployments (read: deregulation) will provide the elderly greater opportunities for independent living, the report hints. Hospitals will work more effectively; jobs will be created; life - it seems - will simply be better in a myriad of ways. "Remove the regulatory barriers and West Virginia joins the high-tech revolution" suggests Dr. Wayne Brough, a CSE chief economist.

It's really quite amazing. Deregulation is going to help Rhode Island, Washington, Oregon, Pennsylvania and Utah - essentially every state in the union. Deregulation as a magic bullet for unemployment everywhere somehow escaped the greatest economic minds in the nation.

The press releases are often picked up and run as regular stories (see local Texas and Utah media).

While broadband deployments probably DO significantly impact state economies, the reports magically assume that deregulation naturally means greater broadband deployment. Those who have followed events in Pennsylvania and elsewhere should probably know better. The reality is that the Triennial review is a massive and unprecedented swath of deregulation passed earlier this year, greeted primarily by hemming and hawing from the incumbents when it came to speeding up next-gen ADSL and fiber deployments.

The CSE report isn't entirely unlike a recent study from The "New Millennium Research Council" (NMRC) and Criterion Economics, which argued that "significant broadband investment" could result in 1.2 million new jobs and an increase in gross domestic product to the tune of $179.7 billion by 2021. Again, these fantastic financial rewards are all available if incumbent providers are freed of pesky regulation.

The New Millennium Research Council is an 'independent' (a word used frequently in their self-description) offshoot of Issue Dynamics. Issue Dynamics, according to their website, is a "consulting firm specializing in public affairs and relationship-management services". The company's list of clients is lengthy, but their largest contributors are SBC and Verizon. The group has been under heavy fire recently for working behind the scenes seemingly in support of grass-roots activism, while really serving the call of their most powerful corporate clients.

This really is not to suggest that regulation is the answer, nor is there any illusion that these tactics aren't also used by bell DSL competitors and the cable industry to help keep the bells regulated. A good place to start if you're eager to separate truth from fiction is this guide developed by PRwatch (they focus on illuminating such organizations), as well as their background information (though outdated) on CSE.

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Wall9
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I'm down for it

I agree.

Varangian

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Re- regulate

I'm for applying a firestorm of regulation to every deregulated industry that has proven itself totally unworthy of the privelege.
Shoddy goods, poor service and total disloyalty to the united states dont fly with me...

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tired of being manipulated...

I'm tired of these PR companies thinking they can persuade the public of anything. Can't we hire Osama and gang to attack these more worthy targets?
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pr whore firms serve one real purpose

Everyone knows that these pr /lobbyist firms are so full of shit its not funny. Therefore they only serve one real function: to provide a smokescreen so their favorite vote buyer / elected official can pass some bullshit law thats in their favor, and say "well there was a study that proved that this law is for the best".

Corporate dollars are destroying our democracy, and only the complete ban of corporate /lobbyist dollars from the entire election process will end the corruption. Which of course will never happen.

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Re: pr whore firms serve one real purpose

Were actually a republic.

major marco
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Another Day Another Ruse to RipOff Consumers

Sure deregulation works wonders. Just ask the state of California how well deregulation worked in the electricity industry. It worked so well that the power pirates were able to extort $10bn dollars from the state where there had previously been a surplus in the treasury. They raped & gouged the ratepayers all the while plunging the entire state into darkness with rolling blackouts for a yr and half until they squeezed every last ounce of the surplus into their wallets.

The moral of the story kiddies is that anytime industry cries for deregulation of something, grab your wallet because a theft is about to occur.
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Re: Another Day Another Ruse to RipOff Consumers

Don't confuse California electric deregulation with actual deregulation, it wasn't. Deregulation; done properly, and under the right circumstances; will always result in lower prices for the consumer. Freezing the price on the consumer side (which essentially is all that California "deregulation" consisted of) is not the right way to do it; because when the price of fuel goes up on the supply side the supplier will just shut down rather than run at a loss.

You paid out the nose for electricity because in order to meet the demand many out of state power plants had to be quickly turned on that had already used up their quota of emissions for the year, which meant they would pay fines to the EPA for these excess emissions (reliant energy was one of these companies).

There are other examples of deregulation gone bad, however California "Deregulation" only shows what happens when someone in a powerful position has a lack of an understanding of basic economics and refuses to listen to his advisor's.
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Re: Another Day Another Ruse to RipOff Consumers

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Don't confuse California electric deregulation with actual deregulation, it wasn't. Deregulation; done properly, and under the right circumstances; will always result in lower prices for the consumer. Freezing the price on the consumer side (which essentially is all that California "deregulation" consisted of) is not the right way to do it; because when the price of fuel goes up on the supply side the supplier will just shut down rather than run at a loss.

You paid out the nose for electricity because in order to meet the demand many out of state power plants had to be quickly turned on that had already used up their quota of emissions for the year, which meant they would pay fines to the EPA for these excess emissions (reliant energy was one of these companies).

There are other examples of deregulation gone bad, however California "Deregulation" only shows what happens when someone in a powerful position has a lack of an understanding of basic economics and refuses to listen to his advisor's.

Obviously you don't know what you're talking about. But then being in PA it's not a big wonder. We have lots of out of state self-proclaimed experts on the subject of electricity deregulation and surprisingly, every single one of them tow the electricity company line of not enough plants, blah blah blah. The simple fact is that you weren't here and you don't know. All you can do is spout what the corporate media tells you to because that is all you know.

If you want an accurate picture of what happened with the electricity debacle, then hit FTCR.org and get the facts as they really occured, not what your television set tells you.

As for deregulation being good, the only entitities it benefits is the industry crying for it specifically because it removes all governmental oversights, checks and balances. In short, deregulation simply leaves industry to regulate itself. And we all know how well they do that, don't we.
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Re: Another Day Another Ruse to RipOff Consumers

said by major marco See Profile:

Obviously you don't know what you're talking about. But then being in PA it's not a big wonder. We have lots of out of state self-proclaimed experts on the subject of electricity deregulation and surprisingly....
Oh I'm sorry I did forget about that magical force field that surrounds California that prevents any information from leaving (or entering) the state. Obviously because you live there you are an expert in all things Californian. I bow to your 1337 C41i|=0rni4 5ki11z.

said by major marco See Profile:
The simple fact is that you weren't here and you don't know. All you can do is spout what the corporate media tells you to because that is all you know.
Actually at the time I was working for a company that performs maintenance on a particular piece of power plant equipment. I know what happened because I had to bust my arse for several months to get a whole lot of plants online, that were scheduled to be down due to EPA regs. for; in some cases; 9 months in the future.

said by major marco See Profile:
As for deregulation being good, the only entitities it benefits is the industry crying for it specifically because it removes all governmental oversights, checks and balances. In short, deregulation simply leaves industry to regulate itself. And we all know how well they do that, don't we.

This is just straight misinformation.

said by major marco See Profile:
If you want an accurate picture of what happened with the electricity debacle, then hit FTCR.org and get the facts as they really occured, not what your television set tells you.
For an accurate picture go take an Econ class at your local college (oops, you should probably go out of state, you know, with that barrier and all). Although me telling you this is probably for naught because it's fairly clear what you are and where you get your "edumification" based on the links in your sig.

PS. feel free to slander me all you want in your next post; I won't reply as it is a waste of time.
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Re: Another Day Another Ruse to RipOff Consumers

said by Combat Chuck See Profile:

PS. feel free to slander me all you want in your next post; I won't reply as it is a waste of time.

Welp Chuck. I wouldn't give you the satisfaction if you got down on your hands & knees and begged me to. Why don't you go back to spouting corporate media popular groupthink. It' what you do best, after all.
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Re: Another Day Another Ruse to RipOff Consumers

said by major marco See Profile:

Why don't you go back to spouting corporate media popular groupthink. It' what you do best, after all.

As opposed to your corporate media groupthink?

I'll take the TV networks over your red-greens terrorist empathizers anyday.
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Re: Another Day Another Ruse to RipOff Consumers

Yeah, I wouldn't bother with that guy, as most of the posters in here seem to be, he is obviously a partisan with a left-wing agenda. To get a measure on his ignorance, just look at his posting tag. Never mind Cheney sold all his stake in Halliburton at the democrats insistence (then he got pummeled later on for having insider knowledge and getting out before the stock went down). Never mind that the military contracting process goes in cycles and there was open bidding in 2001, never mind that Halliburton has provided logistical and personnel assistance in every major conflict going back to Vietnam, never mind that beloved Clinton contracted them to do work in Bosnia, never mind that the "price gouging" was to deliver fuel in a combat zone and that the "kick backs" were to pay back the Kuwaitis for giving us at cost fuel previously. Never mind all that: there must be some deep, dark conspiracy. And when the facts show otherwise, like the California "deregulation" debacle, he will just attack you as a corporate shill and suggest that your news source is suspect.
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Re: Another Day Another Ruse to RipOff Consumers

Well, ftcr.org has some interesting facts, but it leaves out a key point: PG&E and SCE, as part of the dereg, had promised to cover the risk of unanticipated price spikes in the transitional market--then they totally failed to do so. Rather than enforce that promise (and probably toss them into a real bankruptcy, where they belonged, rather than the sham bankruptcy PG&E ended up in) Governor Gray Davis put the state on the line for billions of dollars in power costs.

With the state picking up the tab, PG&E and SCE avoided their contractual obligations and survived, still owned by the same holding companies.

Yes, the dereg plan had problems, but the real problem was the State of California government's failure to enforce the "worst case" provisions when the "worst case" arrived--instead deciding to bail out the state's electric utilities from their own mess.

(And yes, Gray Davis did name the father of California's electric deregulation, former state Senator Steve Peace, as his budget director. Gov. Davis was then surprised when his budget fell apart, too.)

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said by Beeper See Profile:
As opposed to your corporate media groupthink?

I'll take the TV networks over your red-greens terrorist empathizers anyday.

I don't think I've ever read anything quite as ignorant as that statement. Expressing an opinion against the corporateering that goes on in this country is the equivalent to being a terrorist empathizer. Right. Tell me something, did you come with that one all on your own or did you have to tune into your favorite oxycontin drug abuser for ideas.
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Re: Another Day Another Ruse to RipOff Consumers

said by major marco See Profile:
Tell me something, did you come with that one all on your own or did you have to tune into your favorite oxycontin drug abuser for ideas.

Rush Limbaugh is an idiot, in my opinion. I find test patterns and beer commercials more informational and entertaining.

Your insult towards Limbaugh shows your lack of commitment to a diverse variety of thought, and a distinct lack of compassion towards another human being and their weaknesses.

Terrorist empathizer has a nice ring to it doesn't it? It a nice return salvo for the usage of "corporateering" as a slander of the character of people and companies that express an opinion that you don't care for.

It stings because of the element of truth in it.
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Here's one Rush would use to describe you: glittering jewel of colossal ignorance. I think you've demonstrated that to a tee. BTW, did you read my post as to why: »Deregulation... ?
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I remember reading at the time. When Investors looked at
what California had done they predicted the State would be skinned alive. Instead of working out a 10 or 20 year contract they foolishly signed short term contracts. It was a real lesson on how not the deregulate.
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Yep, yet another astroturfer...

»www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/sbeder/PR.html

Artificially created grassroots coalitions are referred to in the industry as 'astroturf' (after a synthetic grass product).
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Regulation created a bunch of jobs

Telecom industry jobs soared line sharing was introduced, but the jobs evaporated as CLECs and ISPs went under. The RBOC's have been laying people off in droves also.

It's a little too simplistic to blame it all on regulation tough. 'Competition' forces every company to run a tight ship and operate as efficiently as possible, and serves as a dis-incentive for deployment.

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All Is Not As It Seems

Deregulation nor new regulations is going to cure unemployment. Companies bring in the services and goods for use to use and buy then ship customer service departments to other countries for 1/3 or more less than it would cost in the US.

It seems like one needs to have private investigator included in the family budget to get a true prospective on issues, companies, organizations, etc.

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Re: All Is Not As It Seems

said by LadyCash See Profile:
It seems like one needs to have private investigator included in the family budget to get a true prospective on issues, companies, organizations, etc.

Not really. You just have to spend time reading and following current events instead of television shows, video games, entertainment personalities, or fashion trends.

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Re: All Is Not As It Seems

First it was a sarcastic remark.

Second, I read all the time. Reading is a passion with me.

I do not watch television. I do not play video games unless you count the earlier 1980s. I am not interested in entertainment personalities nor fashion trends. I am far too busy with my husband, children, job and household to be concerned with such trivial time wasting activities. My children alone take up a considerable amount of attention, time and love. My family is my entertainment. Just one look at my wardrobe would tell one that classic dress clothes and jeans are always in fashion for me. My daugher owns more shoes than I do. I believe that two pair of sneakers, two pair of dress shoes with heels (one black and one white), and one pair of penny loafers is plenty.

Just because I am a woman does not give you the right to treat me like I am some female bimbo without brains or an ounce of sense!!

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Re: All Is Not As It Seems

said by LadyCash See Profile:
First it was a sarcastic remark.
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Just because I am a woman does not give you the right to treat me like I am some female bimbo without brains or an ounce of sense!!

1. Sarcasm is not always clear in forums like this.

2. My response had NOTHING to do with your gender. You're not getting any different treatment here because of your gender, so don't expect any. I resent the fact that you tried (but failed) to stuff the word "bimbo" in my mouth. Realize that you used that word, I didn't.

3. To the extent your sarcasm was trying to make a point, it would seem that the point would have to be that current events are more involved than they seem on the surface. My comments would indicate that it is my expectation that people should delve deeper into current events than just listening to superficial sound bites. We might actually agree on something here if we can get past your overblown reaction to my semi-sarcastic response to your sarcastic comment.

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My apologies. I would blame it on a bad hair day but do not fuss with my hair either.

The stress of trying to be everywhere at once, deadlines, and too many people trying to put this unique peg in a round hole made one on edge lady.


Of course that is a lousy excuse for bad manners, form and "over blown reaction".

Back to the regular program (thread). People need to get past the knee jerk emotions (please review my post prior to this one for a clear example of that) and logically seek and look at all the facts from more than one source.

I know of a situation where knee jerk reactions and not wanting to part with one penny actually cost 34% more than what they refused. The sad truth of any situation like that is that not only do the fools suffer but everyone involved (e.g. other employees, customers, etc).

It is not limited to one business area. It is wide spread. Once the emotions start there is no reasoning with that person or persons. The nay sayers love telling horror stories that are so removed from the original that the emotions never die down. A PR dream come true. Gossip is a good friend to many a PR campaign.

Just plant a seed of doubt add a liberal watering of horror stories and you can destroy the credibility of a person, ideal, etc. Ever in doubt of this really happening just check out the many webpages dedicated to urban legends, hoaxes, etc. You will find even respected persons spouting this misinformation as truth without ever looking into it.

It is truly sad in this age of information at our finger tips.

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-sigh-

Yet another example of pure-partisanship from Karl.

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[Insert sarcasm] Geez, price deregulation never hurt the airline industry, did it? Flying on an airliner operated by a carrier in the red is good for the consumer, right? EVERY airline carrier in the US (except for two) was operating at a loss in the boom days of 2001, 20 plus years after deregulation. The rates were regulated many years ago to prevent this, but I guess congress figured human nature had changed when they decided to deregulate. Here's another exciting deregulation fact - that big tractor trailer load of gasoline or propane behind you on the interstate? His industry profit average is 1.89% since deregulation. His company is one the the lucky few of the thousands that has not yet filed for bankruptcy. Happy motoring!

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Re: -sigh-

Yes, yes, assuming all those things you say are correct (and I trust you) the reason the airlines were operating at a loss and the tractor-trailer industry has such a measly profit (I thought profits were eeevil?) is because deregulation generally increases competition and when that happens, windfall goes away and the prices are cheaper for the consumer. Are you suggesting that congress should make a law re-regulating the shipping industry higher profits and making consumers pay a higher price? Why not just pass a law that every citizen has to give a trucker a quarter—they'd be rich then. (Whoops, the rich are eeevil too ).
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Re: -sigh-

...and it's one heck of a lot cheaper to fly now than it was in the 1970's, taking inflation into account. That's largely due to the cost cutting inspired by competition from discount airlines.

Airline deregulation has been an unquestionably good thing, unless you were/are an airline monopolist or someone with an unlimited travel budget.

Yeah, we can all pine for the "good ol' days", but we need to remember that airline travel in the '70's was so expensive that only businessmen and the rich flew much. Cheap family travel by air just didn't happen.

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Uh...this is America. You can disagree if you like. I know it's probably easier to fling dismissive labels, but you know....actually saying why you disagree is helpful.

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Re: -sigh-

I got this one.

First off, I've been reading here at bbr for quite some time and it's obvious that Mr. Bode has a left-wing, perhaps even Marxist agenda. With him its always the eeevil corporation, us-v.-them mentality.

Second, after reading the CSE report I wonder if Mr. Bode read the same thing. Actually I know he did, but he glommed on to the passing mention of the uncertain regulatory environment as a reason to assail the report. (Does anyone disagree that an eeevil business would be hesitant to invest in an area that has uncertainty?) And how does Mr. Bode attack the report? By attacking ad hominem the organization that put it out. It's interesting to note that Mr. Bode has no problem citing non-profit type organizations when he agrees with them. A notable one is his interview with Center for Democracy and Technology here—just who is this group, where do they get their money? and ironically the same day as this news story, he cites an outfit called The Yankee Group here. But a group that has an outlook which he disagrees with gets inspected to see where their funding comes from; because you know, an economist isn't going to actually look at the facts, he's just going to say what his corporate masters want him to say. And is anyone under the illusion that any think-tank, be it left or right, doesn't have large contributors?

Third, the data written about in the CSE report are not from CSE itself. Dr. Brough cites two different reports, with two different methodologies, put out by two different outfits, but reaching the same conclusion, N.B.: that increased broadband deployment would benefit all these states—not deregulation as Mr. Bode says. See how he creates a straw man?

And fourth, on the point of deregulation. Unfortunately for Mr. Bode, the overwhelming majority of economics literature and economists agree that regulation per se is a drag on the economy creating artificial barriers to entry (even a poster in this very thread advocates regulations to raise prices for the consumer). George Stigler is a quite forceful proponent of deregulation as is Gary Becker and last year's Nobel Prize winner Vernon Smith (who has an elucidating article on regulation of the electric industry here). I'd like to see Mr. Bode read and comment on this article—but whoops—where does Dr. Smith get his funding?
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Re: -sigh-

Two thoughts:

First, uncertainty is a great disincentive to investment. That is the primary reason that the ILECs have fought a never-ending battle in the courts to upset the Telecom Act. With the prices of UNEs in flux, the definitions of UNEs in flux, and now even the availability of UNEs in flux, who is going to invest in a new business? That leaves only the Whining Baby Bells--who have the captive cash flow to be self-funding.

Second, I may seem like a broken record here, but I'll again repeat Alfred Kahn's maxim--"Deregulation does not mean that you fire the policeman." There is a big difference between regulating commerce (active price and route regulation, etc.) and regulating safety or anti-trust issues. Where the ILECs are wrong now (but still convincing too many people) is that they claim they should be free of the remaining regulations under TA'96--when in reality, those provisions weren't meant to regulate commerce generally, but only to protect from and make amends for the long history of antitrust offenses committed by the local monopolies we used to call the "Bell System".

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I agree that airline travel was very expensive. It still is, for the airlines themselves. If anyone is comfortable traveling with trucks and planes operating at a loss, then all I can say is, don't whine about it when it's you or yours caught in harm's way. Call me then and tell me how wonderful it is that you saved $100 last year. As far as the trucking aspect goes, I would hope that no one here is naive enough to believe that the consumer ever saw any any direct savings from cheap trucking. The shipper is the only one benefiting.

Pricing structures were originally regulated to prevent the problems of public safety vs. transportation sold at less than cost. Yes, I do believe that we should set minimum prices for trucking. Some of the rates I hear are unbelievable. A truckload from New England to MD for $300. Unfortunately for the motoring public, there are idiots with trucks moving freight for those types of rates. How much sleep do you think the driver that works that cheaply is getting? Enforcement is doing a good job, but they can't catch them all. When pricing was reasonable and regulated, a trucking company's success was based on safety and service - not price alone. Happy motoring.
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Vallejo, CA

Doesn't tast like mint.

After reading that "report" (SBC-Verizon Ad), I'm not sure I can get the taste out of my mouth, and it sure doesn't taste like mint.....
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