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DVDxCopy now illegal
In case you missed it
(old news - 03:44PM Saturday Feb 21 2004)
Yesterday, the company that makes DVDxCopy lost its battle with the court and they can no longer sell the product. The argument that it has a legitimate use in "backing up" DVDs did not persuade the court, or at least, the DMCA gave the judge no wiggle room, Pick your coverage here.

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Maxo
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For shame!

For shame!

Defcon888
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Eh

Oh dang... but I'm sure theres still ISOs of this somewhere out there...
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Hurry!

Go find it online and download it 'fore it gets pulled...
...I mean go find a "legitmate" copy and download it
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Re: Hurry!

Its probably possible to find it in some stores, so hurry and look before its to late.
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I just downloaded the latest update not 30 minutes ago. Go and get while you can.

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Re: Hurry!

it would be nice if you'd post a direct link, or if you'd upload it somewhere so someone else could mirror it.
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If you want a copy of DVD X Copy go to »ftp://products.321studios.com
You can download all versions straight from the source,as far as activation goes, you're on your own
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While you can still find e-stores that sell the product, interestingly, when I try to navigate to »www.dvdxcopy.com, Internet Explorer encounters an error and restarts IE. The site is apparently being blocked.
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Re: Hurry!

Click for full size
said by damox See Profile:
when I try to navigate to »www.dvdxcopy.com, Internet Explorer encounters an error and restarts IE. The site is apparently being blocked.

Something is *wrong* with your system. Sorry. I get there fine.
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Re: Hurry!

You are right! I traced the problem down to the Distributed Computing Clients I run for Team Discovery TSC. I am running two instances, one for each processor. They take up quite a bit of the processing power. When I stop the task engines, I can then get to the site without a problem. When I start the task engines again and then navigate to the site, IE encounters a error and closes. How odd! I haven't had that problem with any other site. Hmmm . . . that's very interesting.
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Re: Hurry!

»www.321studios.com/news.htm

here's a link to all the News that DVD X Copy is responding to...
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Dustyn
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*ughhhh* This is so lame...

Why pay for it? Just download it for nothing!!

You can find alternate programs that do a much better job.
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DVDshrink + copytodvd combo works much better than dvd x copy anyway, although they would probably be considered illegal now too, like I care.

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Ahh, yeah I guess i have to agree that dvd shrink, dvd decrypter, and other freewares are much better for backing up dvd's.. And anydvd (not freeware) but can make them region free.
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Sigh...

DVDshrink:D
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Re: Sigh...

I second that.

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Re: Sigh...

said by tonekilla See Profile:
I second that.

roger that. easy to use program. and the price is right. another freebie is dvd decrypter. shrink lets you reauthor the disc and remove all the fluff. highly recommend it.

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said by Mactron See Profile:
DVDshrink:D
which is the authentic site? found copies on dvdshrink.org, com, info, etc. not to mention other sites and realize it's just the kind of program that might be "re-engineered" to include a nasty.
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said by Mactron See Profile:
DVDshrink:D

Ditto

DVDxcopy = RIPOFF!!!!
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AND i was going to pay for DVD X COPY. Like if. Thanx for people putting up DVD Shrink its easy to rip DVDS.. Great Program to use and very easy

I download DVD X COPY the other day looking for a crack but it did not work, I am happy that i did not
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Practically Spyware ?

»www.emedialive.com/Articles/Read···eID=8241

Not something that I'd want on my computer to begin with!

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Re: Practically Spyware ?

"- An electronic watermark that can trace any backup copy made with DVDXCOPY back to the original point of purchase allowing 321 Studios to remotely de-activate the software and prevent further misuse."

Well, guess who just got added to my block list.

Since they did not specify if it was all versions or not, I just downloaded all versions...

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Re: Practically Spyware ?

said by dadkins See Profile:
"- An electronic watermark that can trace any backup copy made with DVDXCOPY back to the original point of purchase allowing 321 Studios to remotely de-activate the software and prevent further misuse."
That's what a firewall is for. Just block it from accessing the internet.
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Re: Practically Spyware ?

said by jplove71 See Profile:
said by dadkins See Profile:
"- An electronic watermark that can trace any backup copy made with DVDXCOPY back to the original point of purchase allowing 321 Studios to remotely de-activate the software and prevent further misuse."
That's what a firewall is for. Just block it from accessing the internet.

Uh, re-read my post... I've added it to my blocked list.;)

sycocowz

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Re: Practically Spyware ?

I know it does place a text file with some encrypted info on any DVD it burns (put it in a DVD-ROM drive, see for yourself)
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February 21st, @08:50PM

Re: Practically Spyware ?

said by sycocowz See Profile:
I know it does place a text file with some encrypted info on any DVD it burns (put it in a DVD-ROM drive, see for yourself)

That's very easy to bypass and eliminate so that there is
no tattle tale files or signatures recorded ...

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- An electronic watermark that can trace any backup copy made with DVDXCOPY back to the original point of purchase allowing 321 Studios to remotely de-activate the software and prevent further misuse.

i dont see how this can happen if you set ur firewall so that it will not contact the internet how will that actually stop any one from using the product also since they can no longer sell it i doubt they will waste the resources, time , or money to deactivate anybodys copy so i would gladly put that on my pc
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ParanoiaInc

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As an author, I'm screwed!?!

So, if I author DVD's and decide to use this software to make copies of my stuff I am actually breaking the law? I phucked up judge thought his cheating wife should be his wrath down on people like me?

Is there a name of this judge, or is he already in hiding?

Voyager2K2

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Re: As an author, I'm screwed!?!

said by ParanoiaInc See Profile:
So, if I author DVD's and decide to use this software to make copies of my stuff I am actually breaking the law? I phucked up judge thought his cheating wife should be his wrath down on people like me?

Is there a name of this judge, or is he already in hiding?

You are kidding, right?
You can make as many copies of your own work using a variety of DVD copy programs incorporated into commercial/freeware burning programs.
If you choose to add CSS, Macrovision and/or RCE then you do have a problem, but there are legal programs that would allow you to do that as well.
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Re: As an author, I'm screwed!?!

If he adds protection to it I would assume he is smart eno9ugh to have a unprotected version somewhere.

So i do not think he has a problem no matter what.

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February 21st, @05:12PM

said by ParanoiaInc See Profile:
So, if I author DVD's and decide to use this software to make copies of my stuff I am actually breaking the law? I phucked up judge thought his cheating wife should be his wrath down on people like me?

Is there a name of this judge, or is he already in hiding?

___________________________________________________________
Said by lflarry1 See Profile
This is the part I really think is the kicker:
And the name of the Judge!
(from: Judge Susan Illston)

The studios had countered that 321's software circumvented special software encryption codes that protected the DVDs from being copied and therefore violated the DMCA regardless of their end use. Illston agreed.

"It is the technology itself at issue, not the uses to which the copyrighted material may be put," she wrote in her ruling.


What's up with San Francisco Lately(since this came from that district Court) Are they trying to be noticed or at a loss for controversial news?
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February 21st, @08:51PM

Re: As an author, I'm screwed!?!

It's amazing that even the judges themselves don't
know the law these days.

Sadly that's a trend that seems to get worse daily as the
world continues to hear a great sucking sound of more
IQ points being lost each and every day.

It is perfectly LEGAL to copy any and all copyrighted
material AND THAT INCLUDES COPY PROTECTED DVDs provided that
such a backup is STRICTLY for archival purposes only should
your original copy become damaged, that you do indeed
hold a license (IE: legitimate original) of what you are
copying, and you do not distribute the backup made to
any third party.

If ALL of those conditions listed above are all met,
then the copying is indeed perfectly legal despite
what these idiot moron judges say mainly out of
pure ignorance. Don't believe me? Go look it up!

I've got news for the judge in this case ... bypassing
copy protection or encryption mechanisms in place is
actually perfectly legal and the judge is completely
in error and not ruling with the law. You may not
realize this but the DVD manufacturers using
copy protection on their DVDs itself is actually
technically illegal according to the laws currently
on the books. I'm talking about the actual laws,
not the case law.

What is actually in question of legality is WHAT IS
ACTUALLY DONE WITH THOSE COPIES that are made?

Copying a copyrighted DVD and give it to your
brother or a friend ... THAT IS ILLEGAL.

Copying a copyrighted DVD for which you purchased
the original so you can upload to P2P networks ...
THAT IS ILLEGAL.

Copying a copyrighted DVD for which you purchased
the original so you can sell the original and
keep the copy for yourself .... THAT IS ILLEGAL.

Copying a copyrighted DVD for your own personal use
to which you have purchased the original ....
THAT IS PERFECTLY LEGAL.
joebear29

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Re: As an author, I'm screwed!?!

The owner of a disc bypassing copy protection is legal. Creating and selling a program that does that is not legal. That is what the judge ruled illegal. He never said an individual could not copy the DVD, just the company could not sell them the product to do that.

Nice rant on the right to make a backup copy, but that has nothing to do with why the "idiot moron" judge ruled against DVDxcopy.

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In case anyone remembers :
When the MP3 sharing business first started, the RIAA came out with the line 'any copying of Compact Discs that contain copyrighted material is illegal' no matter what [ you can't make a copy. period. It came out in court [for a different matter, I don't remember what] that archival copies are legal and the judge didn't buy that, he said more copies were made for the purpose of pirating than archiving. The case got thrown out on a technicality and the issue became small potatoes compared to P2P file sharing, so it died out.
That's one of the big things about the DMCA - it practically does away with 'fair use'. And I've heard it before that copyright protection actually violates the fair use laws - each time, the big companies (RIAA, MPAA, Movie Studios) makes a big cry 'Piracy", 'lost revenues', 'hurts the economy' and others and since they have a practically unlimited budget, they drown out the little guy (The consumer - US). Until someone with Really deep pocket goes against them, I don't see anything changing, unfortunately. In theory, everyone is equal under the law, but the more money you have, the more equal you are

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said by Cybertoad See Profile:
It's amazing that even the judges themselves don't
know the law these days.

Sadly that's a trend that seems to get worse daily as the
world continues to hear a great sucking sound of more
IQ points being lost each and every day.

It is perfectly LEGAL to copy any and all copyrighted
material AND THAT INCLUDES COPY PROTECTED DVDs provided that
such a backup is STRICTLY for archival purposes only should
your original copy become damaged, that you do indeed
hold a license (IE: legitimate original) of what you are
copying, and you do not distribute the backup made to
any third party.

No. You are incorrect. The provision of 17 USC you're citing relates to computer programs only, NOT all forms of copyrighted material.
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Re: As an author, I'm screwed!?!

DVD's are computer programs as well as music CD's

wireless_

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theres more out there

bah, DVD Shrink is better, and its free.

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mmmmmmmmmmm......

DOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

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Karma

Well ever since 321 Studios introduced DVD Copy Plus ....
quote:
As you may know, DVDXCopy was the first commercial tool to split commercial DVD-9s to two DVD±Rs. It was initially pretty buggy but the company behind it eventually hired the author of IfoEdit to improve it - which has effectively killed of any further IfoEdit development. That, and the fact that the company is selling a package of freeware tools and a guide to create (S)VCDs has not earned them many friends so many people have avoided using DVDXCopy
Source: Doom9

Basically you can get DVDFab to split up a DVD-9 to 2 DVD-5's and the communtiy gets Derrow back. No loss at all IMHO.
DVDxCopy was nothing special to begin with and there are many less costly/freeware packages that enable you to make archival copies of DVDs you own.

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February 21st, @05:00PM

Re: Karma

Can you give some recommendations? And are there programs that just rip portions of DVDs? I don't have a DVD burner yet, just a player, and would like to copy parts to my hard drive.
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Re: Karma

read up on dvdshrink. It's freeware and is a great program.
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February 21st, @09:12PM

said by redleaf See Profile:
And are there programs that just rip portions of DVDs? ...would like to copy parts to my hard drive.
For that, I'd go with DVD Decrypter - and you'll want it around when the time comes that you get the burner and want to backup your current DVD collection. You'd probably also want a good "virtual dvd" application, and I don't have a good reference for one of those. Without it you're kind of limited to playing each .VOB file in turn manually through a package such as PowerDVD or Media Player. Anyhow, some useful links:

DVD Decrypter
DVD Shrink

other good references
Doom 9 - Good How-To and general info
Another good How-To site with lots of info
and our very own
»Software Applications FAQ »What is a good, inexpensive and easy way for me to backup my DVD collection?
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Out of the loop

The only good thing about being technologically behind like myself is the fact that so many products have been invented,tested,marketed,purchased and then found to be illegal before I ever had a chance to
buy
steal them.

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February 21st, @05:00PM

And the judge had to side with the DMCA

...and not the Fair Use Provision of Title 17 which clearly permits duplication for archival purposes. So because criminals can use the software to make illegal copies those who legally used the software can no longer do so.

What's next. Banning cars cause crooks use them for getaway cars? Banning guns cause they're used for crimes? How about banning alcohol 'cause of the crime that occasionally results from it?

Simply, the judge could have struck down the DMCA in favor of Title 17 which has been around quite a bit longer.
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321 should say "UP YOURS"

Since they can no longer sell DVDxCopy, they should GPL the source and dump the source on the net as NON-Supported code.
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DVD Shrink

DVD Shrink is way better than DVDxCopy ever was, easier to use, easier to customize and easier to burn.
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Re: DVD Shrink

Post deleted by 2kmaro.
Imogen8

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"DVD Shrink is way better than DVDxCopy ever was, easier to use, easier to customize and easier to burn."

Well no actually, dvdshrink cannot manipulate menu's etc. You try and re-author a dvd with dvdhrink and you will find that the menus no longer work.

You ever used either?

Imi

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Re: DVD Shrink

said by Imogen8 See Profile:
"DVD Shrink is way better than DVDxCopy ever was, easier to use, easier to customize and easier to burn."

Well no actually, dvdshrink cannot manipulate menu's etc. You try and re-author a dvd with dvdhrink and you will find that the menus no longer work.

You ever used either?

Imi

That's how Derrow saved DVDxCOPY's tail.
Always run IFOEdit95 (Derrow's little baby) and it fixes up whatever boo-boo's DVDShrink leaves behind.

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GOOD, They suck anyway

i HATE this company, they actually threatened a law suit against me for a program i made that was just like theres and i sold it on eBay. They had eBay shut down every other auction just like mine. When the got my name from eBay the offed to sell me 200 copies of there shit at a small discount to sell on ebay. They did this to every one selling DVD copy guides , ebooks and home brewed software.
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Re: GOOD, They suck anyway

said by M A R K See Profile:
i HATE this company, they actually threatened a law suit against me for a program i made that was just like theres and i sold it on eBay. They had eBay shut down every other auction just like mine. When the got my name from eBay the offed to sell me 200 copies of there shit at a small discount to sell on ebay. They did this to every one selling DVD copy guides , ebooks and home brewed software.

Complete b*llshit.

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Re: GOOD, They suck anyway

you think so , i have no problem posting every single email that i received from them and eBay

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Re: GOOD, They suck anyway

said by M A R K See Profile:
you think so , i have no problem posting every single email that i received from them and eBay

I wanna read that!
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jerho

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Hope the MPAA sues them out of existance

I bought their bundled shareware freeware to make svcd's when it didn't work tried to get my money back no success.
did the research and found better ways.Now I use DVDDecxxxx
donationware and I paypal a few $ when I download an update and DVD2One about 30$ and fast,and burn with nero.No coasters works on both home players my laptop and my daughters Ibook and her roommates home player.
I did try a cracked version of xcopy and it bites.

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February 21st, @06:25PM

Re: Hope the MPAA sues them out of existance

that means free DVDXCopy_Platinum for the takeing:D

all the maker of DVDXCopy haft to do is just change the name of the program
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February 21st, @06:17PM

Whats next???

Next, they'll try to go after other software that achieves the same thing, like DVDshrink. Unbelievable, oh well, theres always other software out there. Maybe dvdxcopy will go underground.
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Re: Whats next???

It dosn't help us get a copy if we don't know who writes dvdshrink or where to get it..

The main webpage please?

shewitts

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Re: Whats next???

»www.mrbass.org

jerho

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www.doom9.org

all you ever wanted to know about dvd ripping (er Backup) that is

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Appeal

Can't they appeal?

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long live free copying

»dvd.box.sk

BIGMIKE
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Re: long live free copying

I bet some one pade the judge
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February 22nd, @09:45AM

Re: long live free copying

said by BIGMIKE See Profile:
I bet some one pade the judge

said by BIGMIKE See Profile:
that means free DVDXCopy_Platinum for the takeing:D

all the maker of DVDXCopy haft to do is just change the name of the program

I see no one "pade" for your "skoolin".

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February 21st, @08:07PM

Don't worry!

They will just move off shore or a product from another more liberal jurisdiction will fill the void.
LordBritish

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Marina Del Rey, CA

Re: Don't worry!

I've tried nearly all DVD copying software.

The following are the ones i've tried:

DVDXCopy - It's ok, don't like ID marking
DVD2One - Very Fast, and good quality
InstantCopy - Slow, but best quality, a little buggy
CloneDVD - Good interface, image quality is so-so

There's DVDShrink which I haven't tried yet.

DVDDecrypter is da bomb for decrypting to HD. Use it all the time and it's free.

There ya go - I won't miss DVDXCopy.

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