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join:2003-01-08
Newtown, PA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Does it work? FIOS works and with less running overhead than copper based services. I will never look back to dsl. FIOS for 3 years & no regrets, just rock solid reliable blazing speed.
Here's to 20/5 plus voice for 79 a month.
- Andy
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pende_tim
Premium
join:2004-01-04
Andover, NJ
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| Re: Does it work? I have DSL and it is the lowest cost option ($30/mo) where I live. There is nothing I can't do on DSL that I can do on cable, it just takes a few seconds longer. We do have faster cable ($56/mo) but it is almost 2X the cost of DSL. Maybe I am lucky but the uptime on cable and DSL are about the same so reliability is not the issue.
The key phrase is "where I live". Some are not lucky enough to see FIOS and some, even in Verizon land, will never see FIOS. Some may only be able to get DSL or Cable not both so there is no choice. So it is really about what is available to you and what you are willing to pay.
I predict that with the economy in the sh***er, there will be a lot of families looking at lower cost broadband options. Since DSL is less expensive penetration may actually increase because of this.
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jeffster1970
Whatta Ya Think About Dat?
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join:2004-04-01
Kitchener, ON
clubs: 
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·Vonage
| I'm paid $240 upfront for the entire year for my DSL..it's coming due in 2 month, and will be charging me $23.95 per month, so, no complains. Cable doesn't come close to my price, and when I had Cable internet, it was slow due to congestion, and often not even up.
My current connection is 3Mb, but maybe they'll upgrade our area...
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long live DSL
@windstream.net
| DSL is better than cable DSL is cheaper, better, more stable, and more reliable than cable broadband. Cable is way to expensive and cable internet is a shared service. DSL is not a shared internet connection. When will the cable companies learn that their customers are getting tired of their constant yearly cable channel package rate increases. The cable companies have just turned into a greedy industry. People will continue to use DSL as long as it remains a good cheap and value driven service. DSL is not dead. DSL will remain a competitive choice in the broadband market. | |
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join:2003-05-28
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Titus Pullo
I came, I saw, I slept
join:2004-06-26
·Embarq
| Re: DSL is better than cable Why'd you delete the post?
See, the point is that it's beautiful reverse-psychology; the cable fanbouys salute cable, people reading think cable is better than sliced whatever, and our DSL lines maintain the right balance of subs and revenue to keep us connected 24/7/365 and problem free for less money!
You have to catapult the propaganda ...
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join:2007-05-04
Fort Gratiot, MI | arent there more dsl subscribers than cable? i would imagine there is just because of the price and hard times | |
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@sbcglobal.net
| Re: DSL is better than cable Do you know off hand if Comcast business cable has QOS compared to regular cable? I have tried getting a straight answer before but noone can officially confirm. Only thing I've been told is that the business cable service allows static IP and servers. But as far as QOS, I could not get a definite answer from a Comcast official or thru any of their TOS. | |
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join:2003-05-28 | said by long live DSL :
cable internet is a shared service. DSL is not a shared internet connection.
How did you get Windstream Internet to give you your own pipe to every server on the planet? | |
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Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
 ·Site5.com
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| Re: DSL is better than cable said by ptrowski  :said by china crisis :said by long live DSL :
cable internet is a shared service. DSL is not a shared internet connection.
How did you get Windstream Internet to give you your own pipe to every server on the planet? Give the guy a break, you know what they mean. Does he mean that though?
Seems that there are people out there today that think DSL is a straight pipe to the internet which is clearly not the case. Cable and DSL are both shared mediums. Seems that there is always someone out there that gets that wrong. Especially when one of these cable vrs dsl arguments comes into play. | |
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Got Helix?
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join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
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| Re: DSL is better than cable said by espaeth :said by ptrowski :110% agree that some may think that, but the difference being shared from the CO or shared from a node. DSL speeds will not be affected by an oversold node. Not necessarily true. To expand the DSL footprint, telcos have deployed thousands of remote terminal DSLAMs over the last decade. These tend to get oversubscribed pretty easily. » /r3/smokeping.···bd30dfb0That's latency on my Embarq DSL line -- notice the nice peak-hours latency jump because the circuits feeding the RT DSLAM are bumping up against capacity constraints. Interesting, I have not been connected to a RT here so I have not had first hand experience. Thanks for the link.
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Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
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| said by ptrowski :said by Nightfall :Does he mean that though? Seems that there are people out there today that think DSL is a straight pipe to the internet which is clearly not the case. Cable and DSL are both shared mediums. Seems that there is always someone out there that gets that wrong. Especially when one of these cable vrs dsl arguments comes into play. 110% agree that some may think that, but the difference being shared from the CO or shared from a node. DSL speeds will not be affected by an oversold node. A node can be oversold at the CO or RT as well. Thats the major misconception. I bought DSL in my area back in 2002 and had a horrible experience because the CO didn't have enough bandwidth to support the people connecting to it. Comcast's network was much better at the time. Just as many users say, it all depends on your area though.
I have no idea what the comparison is between oversold nodes on the cable side and dsl side. If I had to guess, cable would win out because of the sheer size of the infrastructure. | |
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CylonRed
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-06
Bloom County
·Speakeasy
| I don't let TW in my house and in our area is it is very unstable. My DSL just does not go down and if I had a generator to power my PC, I could have used it during our power outage from the wind storms earlier this year since my phone line stayed up - no battery needed to keep my DSL up.
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join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA | Re: DSL is better than cable Last night I was playing online with someone who had cable. The lag spikes were ridiculous. | |
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join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA | Re: DSL is better than cable Yea... mostly it was fine but then suddenly everything would go haywire and I'd be lost. I know it wasn't me because I regularly run multi-port multi-protocol apps and never have lag spikes. | |
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join:2008-06-24
Plainfield, CT
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Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
| said by long live DSL :
DSL is cheaper, better, more stable, and more reliable than cable broadband. Cable is way to expensive and cable internet is a shared service. DSL is not a shared internet connection. Short of a dedicated trunk such as a T1 or T3, ALL broadband is shared at some point. DSL bandwidth is still shared at the DSLAM trunk, and both DSL and cable bandwidth is shared at the ISP gateway.
The only real difference between DSL and cable with regards to oversubscription is where it occurs- downsream of the node as with cable, or upstream of the node with DSL. | |
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join:2005-10-17
Carteret, NJ | I agree 100%, I switched from Comcrap to Verizon DSL 3.0mg plan and it has been rock solid from day one. | |
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| rick89
join:2003-12-10
| DSL is shared...lol...just not the last mile...but when you hit the dslam your sharing the pipe, just like cable. the only downfall cable has is the last mile is shared as well (38mbps / per node / card) on D1/D2 systems. DSL is a old tech as well and relies heavy on the quality of your phone line and how far you are from the dslam, where as cable does not...but dsl can be more stable at times than cable just do to equipment and such. Each has its + / - and it just really depends on the area you live. For me i cant get dsl but have 20mbps cable...lol... and it never slows down one bit, and even if i did have dsl here i wouldnt switch, one cause the dsl slows down to a crawl here and verizon's tech support sux! This is just my 2 cents, so remember cable or dsl, ask your neighbors and see what works the best in your area | |
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@rr.com
| not really...cable is just as reliable as dsl. too many problems with dsl..street lights..distance..interferences etc etc even though cable is a shared service so is dsl..dsl traffic is still pooled at the isp. nowadays there are so many upgrades to the cable network that congestion is no longer an issue. I used to pay $25/mt for 1.5mbps dsl that hardly worked in my area..now for twice the price I get 8mbps day/night and dont have to worry about waiting for my downloads. | |
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Oy, Pass It on.
join:2008-08-03
San Antonio, TX | DSL is dead to me..... DSL cant even go half way down the road to me which means I cant get DSL. So for me its dead.
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Troll hunter
Premium
join:2006-09-19
Becket, MA | Re: DSL is dead to me..... Tell me about it. The fastest connection on Earth is utterly useless when it's not available. | |
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Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
clubs:
| What the analyst cited in the article seems to miss however is that dsl doesn't have good value.
In fact..it's outrageously expensive compared to cable.
The metrics that should determine value when it comes to broadband are speeds and caps.
If you were to take a Comcast connection at 6Mb..soon to be 12Mb on docsis 3.0..at 42.95 per month..that amounts to just 3.58 per Mb at the 12Mb tier price.
How does that compare to someones DSL connection?
At 768k speeds ...they're not even getting 1Mb and probably paying TWENTY dollars for that..or over FIVE times the cost per Mb.
How about a 3Mb (that's not really that speed at all counting overhead) at 30.00 per month?
They are paying TEN dollars per MB..or..comparably speaking to that cable connection..120.00 versus the 42.95 that cable is charging.
Then..compare all the telco caps they're talking about with Comcasts 250gig caps and you are looking at a telco industry that is vastly overpriced compared to what cable is offering.
In addition, while the article suggests people "favor reliability over speeds"..I'd argue that isn't a metric that is valid at all. My connection is very reliable and just as reliable if not more so than the many people I know on dsl.
And so..what's the real difference? The ONLY difference?
People looking to pay less per month without any regard to speeds..caps..or value.
They're looking to save 50 pennies per day to have 1/5th to 1/12th..and even more considering powerboost..what folks on cable are getting.
I'd submit to anyone reading this that this is why they're leaving dsl connections by the tens or hundreds of thousands per quarter.
People..including some of the most die hard telco fanatics on this site are finally waking up and smelling the bandwidth.
And realizing that the grass is greener on the other side.
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Bobcat
Volvo sucks
Premium
join:2001-02-04
Bedminster, NJ | Lower cost! My DSL is 33% cheaper than cable modem service. | |
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@sbcglobal.net | Re: Lower cost! And my dial-up is 40% cheaper than your DSL service! Therefore, I predict that more Americans will switch to Dial-up in these hard economic times. | |
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join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA | one other thing i value... is knowing that my DSL isp (verizon) isn't going to do traffic shaping, apply caps for GB/months, or cap my speed (mbps) on certain hours. | |
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long live dsl
@windstream.net | dsl DSL is good for internet browsing, e-mail and other general internet functions. If DSL is not fast enough for some users then cable broadband is available. The choice comes down to what the user wants to use their internet connection for. | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| Re: dsl no it comes down to if the person wants to pay their RBOC or their local cable company. Especially if the cable company is locally owned and they wish to help keep jobs in the area.
Why should I pay the same price i'm paying for Cable to AT&T when the only thing they have local is the "techs" other than that they don't do anything in my city. So why should i support them Buckeye keeps the jobs local and puts money back into the city. I don't see AT$T doing that. | |
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@sbc.com
| dsl is perfectly fine... for my use I used the elite package from At&t ( 6.0 down, 768 up) and it was perfectly fine for gaming and any other application I wanted to use it for. Price $35 a month not too shabby where the same from my cable provider would of been 45. Now i have uverse and i will probably never go back to cable.... ever. Dsl had a much lower ping and latency to the servers I play compared to my cable too. | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH | Re: dsl is perfectly fine... for my use and said by a True ATT employee... Get off the Internet and actually do some work since you're getting paid for it. | |
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massysett
join:2006-01-04
Silver Spring, MD
| It's good enough I know cable can be faster, but DSL is good enough. I used to have cable Internet, but then moved in with my girlfriend who already had DSL. I had thought about getting cable but I just had no complaints with the speed of DSL so have had no reason to switch.
Besides, at both my old and new apartments I have had problems with Comcast idiots unplugging the cable. The installer doesn't properly "tag" the line so then another Comcast employee just takes it upon himself to unplug it, leaving me to call to get it reconnected. Plus, Comcast sometimes had strange outages, not to mention the DNS problems. Never had any problem with the Verizon DSL. | |
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megatron266
Premium
join:2007-08-11
Fort Lauderdale, FL
·AT&T Southeast
·Comcast
| DSL does the job just fine! I'm not a gamer since I have no interest in it. When I download or upload huge files (which is rare) I know my connect is reliable enough that I start these transfers right before I go to sleep and by the next day it is already done.
What it comes down to these days is how can you get the most bang for your buck without breaking the bank account. Reliability and Value are subjective and is based on ones own experience with the telcos and cablecos not to mention the computer being used. I have had on PC have issues while the other is working just fine viewing the same page on the internet.
WOW people can now get faster internet speeds! Big freakin deal...I watch Netflix, read emails, and surf around. My DSL connection speeds are just fine and it is very reliable. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| DSL sucks 6000 feet to CO, 1000 feet to RT. Yet DSL is out 18 hours a day. Only time it isn't out is in the mornings from 8am to 1pm when the phone company tech comes and finds nothing wrong. Yet the DSLAM shows 20000 retrains a month. But retrain count is not a permissible troubleshooting tool for Verizon. Also every time the CSR logs into the DSLAM the problem goes away for 48 hours. Nothing else, just logging in to review logs and status screens. This is urban NYC BTW. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: DSL sucks said by wifi4milez :I highly suggest you immediately call TWC, RCN, or Cablevision (not sure who serves Jamaica) and tell them to hook you up immediately. If I had anywhere near the kind of problems you are describing I would have switched providers years ago. Unless this issue just started, why are you still using that service?? I did, and I've never been happier, only once in 4 years I've caught TWC internet down.
Private house, 1/4 aerial, rest UG to CO or RT (IDK which I was on). Originally DSL went out only when it rained. Then suddenly it started going out on a daily basis. The line occasionally picked up AM radio, but I think the DSL being dead was some other kind of interference, such as a motor, or pirate radio station, or microwave transmitter aimed or operating with too high tx power. I can't think of anything that would cause interference almost daily from 1-4PM to 4AM-8AM. Why mornings there was never interference I never figured out.
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
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| Re: DSL sucks said by patcat88 :said by wifi4milez :I highly suggest you immediately call TWC, RCN, or Cablevision (not sure who serves Jamaica) and tell them to hook you up immediately. If I had anywhere near the kind of problems you are describing I would have switched providers years ago. Unless this issue just started, why are you still using that service?? I did, and I've never been happier, only once in 4 years I've caught TWC internet down. Private house, 1/4 aerial, rest UG to CO or RT (IDK which I was on). Originally DSL went out only when it rained. Then suddenly it started going out on a daily basis. The line occasionally picked up AM radio, but I think the DSL being dead was some other kind of interference, such as a motor, or pirate radio station, or microwave transmitter aimed or operating with too high tx power. I can't think of anything that would cause interference almost daily from 1-4PM to 4AM-8AM. Why mornings there was never interference I never figured out. Other than the rare AM radio pickup, voice was flawless on the line always. Ok so you are describing a prior (not current) experience. That makes more sense!
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| I agree I like the reliable connection, and even though Embarq has had less success than Qwest DSL, it is still better than my Cox connection in Henderson. Although Cox was good in my neighborhood in Tucson, I couldn't take the speed fluctuations here, and so I switched to Embarq, even though it's a little expensive, compared to Cox with a similar speed. | |
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TheMG
join:2007-09-04
Edmonton, AB | DSL works for me. No such thing as FTTH available here, and cable has horrendous pings in the evenings, absolutely terrible for online games.
DSL on the other hand is always consistent. | |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Fredericksburg, TX
·Comcast
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| Cable works fine for me... If WIndstream DSL was available here, I'd get it.
If Embarq DSL was available here, I'd probably get it.
If DSLExtreme was available here, I'd probably get it.
If CenturyTel DSL was available here, I'd probably get it.
...with the provision that they have to be dry-line. I don't need a landline...
But we have Qwest. $40 for 1536/896, $47 for 5120/896 t my place, 7168/896 at a friend's. Problem: you're gonna get a max of 85% of advertised speeds, and usually a good bit less. I had a DSL connection, for all of one day, to myself...it felt like I was sharing the connection with everyone at the CO (weird...I'm pretty sure I'm connected to the CO but definitely have congestion issues). If I tried do download anything, speeds would max out around 4 Mbps, and sometimes less than that, and latency shoots up to 500+ ms. Plus, latency isn't too great anyway, averaging 80-110 ms to pretty much anywhere. FAIL.
Contrast this to my Comcast connection. Though I don't like the cap (can't do online backup anymore) and possible throttling system, Comcast is reasonably well-connected, so I can get to nearby sites in less time than it takes Qwest DSL to get to the first hop. By nearby I mean as far away as Chicago. Heck, latency tends to compare favorably to the university connection next door, which is 10-15 ms round trip to my connection, great for VPN.
Also, so far all latency/speed problems have been solved by rebooting my own equipment. I do this more often than I'd like (a few times a week at most) but I so far haven't had to call Comcast for anything...
Speed? 1 MB/s or so after PowerBoost wears off, 250 KB/s upload. With PowerBoost, I can get more like 2.2-3 MB/s download, 325-375 KB/s upload. I'd rather have higher speeds all the time, and I'm a bit bitter that Comcast hasn't updated my market with even DOCSIS 2 upload seeds, but I'll take what I can get. It's better than 3.2 Mbps during the evenings on DSL.
VoIP? In short, my MagicJack works fine, through a wirelessly-connected computer, with no QoS, even when downloading stuff 9though with torrents things may or may not keep working). Qwest? Over wireless MJ is iffy, and even when wired a concurrent download will practially kill the connection.
I actually haven't tried FastPath-based ADSL or ADSL2+, however it sounds like they're nice systems. The problem is that, for miles around, there is no such thing...which means that in my case cable, even at $63/month, provides better alue for me. | |
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