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@spcsdns.net | Hmm... Still doesn't change the fact that I can't get it here. | |
|  | pandora
Premium
join:2001-06-01
Outland
 ·Comcast
|  Re: Hmm...
I wish we had more options.
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| | | Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| Re: Hmm... said by pandora  :I wish we had more options. Doesn't about 95% of the country.  | |
| | | | Core0000
Premium
join:2008-05-04
Somerset, KY | Re: Hmm... Lmao, ain't that the truth.
Actually, I just want more quality from the provider I already have...  | |
| | | KodiacZiller
join:2008-09-04
73368
| said by pandora :Where I live my choices are, 1.5m / 384k from AT&T DSL, or 6m / 1m service from Comcast. Comcast is about to double the rate, AT&T plans to make no change. I wish we had more options. To be fair, Comcast offers 8/2 as well. And in most locations, 16/2 is standard now.
I can't get 16/2 yet, but all areas are getting the 8/2 tier upgraded to 16/2 for no extra cost. The 6/1 tier will be upgraded to 12/2 for no extra cost, and this should be nationwide in the near future.
But, I agree, the cost is too high relative to the rest of the world. I can live being limited to 16/2 but not for ~$60 a month. It should be half that. | |
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jchambers28
join:2007-05-12
Alma, AR | I have the same problem as well. I have load coils on my line and I am too far from the co. I wonder what percentage
of people don't have access to dsl services. | |
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BIGMIKE
"I do not know with what weapons World W
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join:2002-06-07
Westminster, CA | PORE MAN BROADBAND. | |
| | Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| internet speeds on cable are proof that the content is getting over-valued. with internet we get more and the price doesnt go up. with TV you get the same and the price goes up.
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heen
@comcast.net | japan Technically, Japan also uses DSL a lot more than you think. Most buildings have fiber run to the building and then uses VDSL to bring it to all the apartments. Much cheaper that way. | |
| | | Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| Re: DSL Cable here and at home im guessing this is due to the US having more suburban areas. and the fact that cable was invented here(as a community antenna, in burbs and towns where the RF from the cities couldnt reach).
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| keyboard5684
join:2001-08-01
Youngsville, PA
 ·WestPAnet Inc.
·WestPAnet Inc. CA..
 ·Verizon Online DSL
|  How many countries?
There are a a lot of countries in the world and Japan, Europe, China, South Korea, and what, there where a couple more, do not make up the world.
Most countries, in my travels, use wireless.
Why, because telcos provide shotty service or use radio technology.
Most use cellular for voice and it has really boomed because there was no running copper in many of the countries.
So my analysis, my statistics, say wireless is the winner. Go to Belize and order phone and broadband? You get an antenna on the roof and a "landline" in the home (which is really a cellular to POTS converter) and broadband comes from wireless providers usually.
I do not want to leave out VSAT systems which probably make up most of the worlds broadband.
Those are my stats.
In the US... my stats says the majority is nothing, if we talk about country wide coverage. If you life next to a CO or in a place "of interest" then you get coverage!
But, here is the odd thing. I looked around on google a bit and my stats show the majority of internet use is, DIALUP! | |
| | | | | keyboard5684
join:2001-08-01
Youngsville, PA
·WestPAnet Inc.
·WestPAnet Inc. CA..
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: How many countries? No, I was just making a point though.
OECD is just an economic makeup.
As far as your usage stats go, not true. I have worked for carriers most of my career and dialup traffic takes the cake. Dialup users download just as much, it just takes longer. Therefore with more dialup users than broadband the usage (bits loaded) is higher. | |
| | | | | | | | | Kiwi
Premium
join:2003-05-26
USA
·Comcast
·Aristotle Internet
| Re: How many countries? said by iansltx :But if that were the case then we wouldn't have to upgrade network infrastructure, right? Since the absolute maximum a dialup customer can transfer is ~20 GB per month. Not getting how you're getting to your stats. Even I, using my dialup connection liberally back in the day, probably downloaded only a GB or two each month. Since it wasn't fast enough to sream video, the amount of data I transferred didn't take video into account... You missed the point keyboard5684 offered. I sincerely doubt you downloaded anything close to 1GB a month on dial up, I find that is around normal for average broadband users.
Network infrastructure is what people complain about, or the lack thereof, on upgrading. How many folks can go back to 1989, when the net started to explode on the home front. Of course the net was available before that date.... I recall a few people on this site, that can actually recall the events and progress.
Numbers used to be used to define a need, to fix issues; these days they are only numbers to satisfy a company need, a political platform and a means to disguise reality. | |
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Frosted
@eastlink.ca
| said by keyboard5684 :As far as your usage stats go, not true. I have worked for carriers most of my career and dialup traffic takes the cake. Dialup users download just as much, it just takes longer. Therefore with more dialup users than broadband the usage (bits loaded) is higher. You'd have to be working for a really rural telco for this to be remotely true. I work for one that would be considered rural and your claim is nowhere close to being true.
Dialup users don't download just as much. Not even close. There are many broadband users downloading >400 gb of traffic a month. Dialup users have to be much more selective as to what they are downloading and no one wants to tie up their landline for a week to download a season of Heroes. | |
| | Kiwi
Premium
join:2003-05-26
USA
·Comcast
·Aristotle Internet
| I like the way you are viewing this, but to add a wee bit; the places most notable have a restricted urban base, on the whole, suburbia is America's 1st World problem. Once rural comes into play any statistic that endeavours to incorporate broadband is destined to failure, or at least mock figures. Figures and percentage are fun things to play with but are not realistic any more, they are simply tools for fools. | |
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Duramax08
Oy, Pass It on.
join:2008-08-03
San Antonio, TX | I got to call BS on this How is it dominate? The DSL range sucks bad. I am only 2k feet away and I cant get it.
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| | | ehender2
join:2008-10-26
Calgary, AB
| Fiber Just a note about fiber. It seems that almost 20 yrs ago many US companies like A&T applied for and got permission from the US Feds to add a surcharge to their exsisting customers PHONE bill to cover the cost of going to Fiber. Now there is a lawsuit or two in the US trying to either get the US Companies to put in the lines or refund,because although they have been collecting the surcharge in many States, no fiber has been put in. This all came up when the US companies applied again for a surcharge to cover the cost of putting Fiber lines in. I guess the US co's had forgotten they were already collecting.
I have not been able to find out if Canadian Telephone Co's got the same permission around that time. If I were a betting man, I'll bet Canadian Co's jumped on that bandwagon. | |
| | Core0000
Premium
join:2008-05-04
Somerset, KY | Re: Fiber I'm really curious about this, do you have any links to the source? or any more info? | |
| | | cornelius785
join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA
| Re: Fiber I'm also curious about this. i've heard about it before, but never bothered to read the complete story behind this. assuming what was said was true, i doubt it was a complete waste.
does it really make sense to deploy fiber from the telco office to a house when the 'backbone' that carries the data from the fiber lines to the internet is incapable of handling all the data. i don't know anything about how the phone network (in detail) has changed over the past decade or so, but I think the point of the infrastructure not being able to handle FTTH for internet access is still valid. | |
| | | ehender2
join:2008-10-26
Calgary, AB
| The info I have came up on Google. I did some research into fiber because the District of East Kootenay had a questionaire or plebiscite about installing fiber lines. There was a lot of heated debate because of the expense and the community elected to not take it.
The info I have is on my cabin computer or I would attach a link here.
I'll be at the cabin sometime next week so I'll attach a link then. I have not googled it today. | |
| | | | Core0000
Premium
join:2008-05-04
Somerset, KY | Re: Fiber Look forward to the link. | |
| | | | | | | | | | | NormanS
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| 
Rogue AV pop-up. |
I'll have to dig further, but this was just plain wrong.
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| | | | Core0000
Premium
join:2008-05-04
Somerset, KY | Thanks for the links. | |
| | NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA | Question: Was that surcharge for FTTH, or a fiber backbone? | |
| elray
join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA | Why is this bad? The copper is in place, paid for, and provides adequate bandwidth. | |
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fonzbear2000
Premium
join:2005-08-09
Saint Paul, MN
·Comcast
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October 26th, @07:27PM
| Comcast cable>>>>>Qworst DSL Where I live, I have Comcast's 12m/2m connection and the best I can get from Qworst is 1.5m/896k. Qworst has become the laughing stock of my house!
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| neufuse
join:2006-12-06
Indiana, PA
·Comcast
·Verizon Online DSL
| FiOS Doesn't Verizon technically consider FiOS also DSL? Something about how the OTN worked or something... the explination I heard made it sound like it was fiber to the OTN and the OTN worked as a remote DSL location and turned it into ethernet at that point... | |
| | NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| Re: FiOS said by neufuse :Doesn't Verizon technically consider FiOS also DSL? Something about how the OTN worked or something... the explination I heard made it sound like it was fiber to the OTN and the OTN worked as a remote DSL location and turned it into ethernet at that point... That makes it sound more like Bellsouth's IFITL. Strictly speaking, not DSL. Verizon just moved the ped from the curb (where it is placed in IFITL regions of AT&T Southeast) to the premises. The data is converted to Ethernet at the ped (IFITL), or the ONT (FiOS). Either way, it is running on fiber to the conversion device (does anybody still use the word, "transducer"?)
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| patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Cable TV is a American invention Cable TV doesn't really exist outside the USA and Canada. The regulatory environment and economy are totally different.
Alot of countries are 90% dirt fucking poor in a mud shack living on a subsistence farm/day to day paycheck from the local market. The other 10% use american $100 bills for toilet paper. Also "urban slums" are never more than 2-3 stories (the limits of non steel construction are 2-3 stories), so poor density. NYC and Tokyo are exceptions, most cities look like LA or Houston. Endless endless urban sprawl, suburbs or slums.
Cable TV only makes sense with at least 40% of the population can subscribe. In most places due to the dirt poor/super rich difference, a middle class where everyone subscribes doesn't exist. Instead anyone who has money buys satellite TV. No density requirements for a business model exist. The dirt poor, if they can afford a TV, use OTA, or counterfeit DVDs 
Telephone is invariably a govt agency or govt owned corp (usually the post office, govt gave the monopoly to the post office to prevent bastardization of mail business model by the telephone). Also since its govt the govt can force universal service requirements (usually only for urban/suburban/urban slum areas) and inject cash/subsidize off VAT/income tax revenue, telephone is available in much more places. DSL is a natural service of the semi-universal service national telco. Telephone is also a more essential service that can service anyone, including the poor (payphone anyone?), Cable TV requires people have many hours to watch it, the poor dont have those hours. Cable TV atleast for the next decade will still have the % dominance over internet usage.
Also where cable TV exists, govt regulators don't allow cable tv to offer internet, or at crippled speeds with high caps. Also alot of countries (think middle east) ban and packet filter VOIP, either for anti-anti-wiretapping or competition to the national telco.
Its like comparing why countries have public transportation and others don't, or why some use robo farming and other do everything by hand, or some are subsistence and other are commercial farming. If cable TV doesn't exist, how will cable internet? Think about it.
Also many countries don't even have a fake illusion of competition in broadband like the USA. They just ban all competition, and there is a noose and an execution order from the president for life if you don't like it.
Also if countries have no middle class, few people have discretionary $ to spend on stuff hawked by TV ads, so most of the media and home country origined tv shows are subsidized or owned by the govt. So you don't find 100 channels (of crap) on TV. Again you need satellite, and you satellite service often serves many countries with the same channel line up. People who have discretionary $ must know the regional multi-country language (English, French, Chinese, Spanish, Arabic, Russian). Poor people only know the native language for which few if any tv programing is made, think of africa, where each Town/County has its own language, usually not mutually comprehensible with any language except bordering ones, or mutually comprehensible at all. | |
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