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story category DSL Is The New Dial-Up
At least according to one analysis firm...
11:47AM Monday Sep 08 2008 by Karl Bode
tags: dsl · competition · business · bandwidth · cable
The second quarter was the worst quarter ever for DSL additions, with AT&T and Verizon barely adding 100,000 broadband customers, but collectively losing 220,000 DSL customers (130,000 for Verizon, 90,000 for AT&T). Why? The slow housing market plays a role, as does DSL users migrating to fiber. Verizon's neglect of DSL infrastructure and marketing is also a reason. But the baby bells are also hampered by DSL's slower speed in the face of 10-20Mbps cable, popular cable technologies like Powerboost, and VoIP bundles.

The shift makes DSL the new dial-up, according to a new report by stat farm Strategy Analytics, which examines the impact that last quarter's dismal showing in new telco DSL additions will have on the industry. "The Telcos' core DSL offerings are unable to compete effectively with Cable; they must step up their already frenetic fiber roll out to stay in the game," says Strategy Analytics researcher Ben Piper. "Indeed, we are starting to see DSL become the new Dial Up." In other words, despite the advice of weak kneed investors, it's time to upgrade.

Cable appears to be better positioned because DOCSIS 3.0 upgrades are cheaper than running fiber (be it FTTN or FTTH), and MSOs are adding VOIP customers much more quickly than the telcos are adding video subscribers. But the bells' primary strength right now is wireless, and this fight could get much more interesting once they begin serious deployment of LTE wireless broadband (AT&T claims 20Mbps wireless by 2009, though that's optimistic). Verizon's focus on urban fiber (thanks to bendable fiber) could also speed up FiOS numbers.

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S_engineer

join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL

Geez....

Is anybody left on the old dial up besides AOL customers?
dibbb

join:2003-09-19

Re: Geez....

My 10Mbps ADSL line is actually really great.

But if people want to get off it and move to cable, that's just more bandwidth for me!

splat1622

join:2008-09-08
Cave Spring, GA

yes lot of people.dsl stops 1700 feet from me,and IM about 3 1/2 miles from the co,and cable is 1 1/2 miles from me on the same road.to stop all the stupid comments such as just move or you decided to move there.I moved here in 1988 when there was no internet or cell phones,and this property has been in the family for many years,and was about to be lost when we moved here and took over payments,and even in 2008 we still have no cable,dsl,and no cell service

dadkins
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast

Re: Geez....

said by splat1622 See Profile :

yes lot of people.dsl stops 1700 feet from me,and IM about 3 1/2 miles from the co,and cable is 1 1/2 miles from me on the same road.to stop all the stupid comments such as just move or you decided to move there.I moved here in 1988 when there was no internet or cell phones,and this property has been in the family for many years,and was about to be lost when we moved here and took over payments,and even in 2008 we still have no cable,dsl,and no cell service
Welcome to DSLReports!

Well, then there ya go friend.
No amount of posting here will change the fact that the service providers - DSL or cable - do not see you as profitable enough to extend their lines to provide you with something better than what you currently have(Sat, right?).

Sorry for the dilemma, but other than paying for the extension yourself(thousands of dollars I imagine), I doubt that the ISPs will do it.

As I stated last time... I have relatives that can't get anything better than 24kbps dialup.
Sat is not an option for them - LOS is blocked and the price is a hell of a deterrent even if it was doable.

So, with them as is with you - at this point in time, the only options are pay for it to be extended or... move. Right?
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splat1622

join:2008-09-08
Cave Spring, GA

Re: Geez....

and like i told you you cant move if you cant sell your house can you.its been for sale for 2 years.would you buy a home that you couldnt get cable,internet,and cell service didnt think so

dadkins
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edit:
September 8th, @02:21PM

Re: Geez....

Look friend, I am sorry they will not service you where you live.
Question for you... do you actually think posting here is going to get AT&T or whomever to connect you any faster or at all?

I'm sorry splat, but it isn't helping anyone to be here condemning AT&T for not extending their lines and adding a RT just for you.

How about you call them and offer to pay for the new RT that they seem to think isn't worth it?

Fine!
You live there for whatever reason and have no intention of moving. Cool!
Well guess what, ya might be in for a wait - possibly indefinitely to get DSL.
This is all I am trying to get across to you.

Reality bites sometimes.
Sorry!

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splat1622

join:2008-09-08
Cave Spring, GA

Re: Geez....

said by dadkins See Profile :

Look friend, I am sorry they will not service you where you live.
Question for you... do you actually think posting here is going to get AT&T or whomever to connect you any faster or at all?

now why would i think posting in here would help me get dsl any quicker.I as a American have the right of freedom of speech to use however i want to if you don't like my post then oh well DONT reply to them

I'm sorry splat, but it isn't helping anyone to be here condemning AT&T for not extending their lines and adding a RT just for you.

I tired of replying to your selective reading IM not the only one that lives on this road,and i can say whatever i want to about at&t dsl and cable is all the way around me,and have been told to wait they will get it to me

How about you call them and offer to pay for the new RT that they seem to think isn't worth it?

I have called at&t,and they wont even let me talk to anyone that knows what they are talking about to tell me a def. date.I did ask if i could pay for equipment they said that i couldn't do that they didn't let anyone do that.I did talk to charter and they want 10,000 to extend to me they said that they were not adding new customers anywhere they didn't already have lines up

Fine!
You live there for whatever reason and have no intention of moving. Cool!
Well guess what, ya might be in for a wait - possibly indefinitely to get DSL.
This is all I am trying to get across to you.

Reality bites sometimes.
Sorry!

where did you get that i had no intention of moving it certainly wasn't from me.I have been trying to move for two years(if you would read ALL of my post you would know that.you cant sell a house that doesn't have internet,cable,and barley cell service, you would not buy a house like that would you. I asked that nobody post stupid quotes like move,or you chose to live where you live so deal with it.I deserve decent internet just like anyone else,and should not be treated like trash just because of where i live.you don't know my situation IM prob. just as urban as you.IM at the bottom end of my county, right at the county line(the ass end)where we get forgot about

dadkins
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edit:
September 8th, @07:35PM

Re: Geez....

Not until today have you ever said shit about trying to sell your house.
When this house, MY house, was purchased, it had nothing.
Not even phone!
But, since it was well within the city limits, getting phone(and all other services) was relatively easy.
Location Location Location.

As for why your house won't sell, what's the asking price?
Is it actually worth what you are asking?
Where is it listed?
Got Link?
Show me!

Look pal, it's not my fault that you are "unaware" of the realities of living out away from city luxuries.
Broadband *IS* a luxury BTW.
If the house is not within a certain distance... and it is going to be the only residence utilizing the connection, that makes it unprofitable for the service provider.
Not my fault!
I am just trying to explain to you the options you currently have. Which aint alot!

Further down this very page, you post EXACTLY what I have suggested - YOU pay for the cable to be extended to the house.
Deja vu, huh?

Hook me up with the listing for your house...
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splat1622

join:2008-09-08
Cave Spring, GA

Re: Geez....

you must not have went back to the »Verizon, AT&T Offer New DSL Promotions forum where i was posting as disapointed in my last post i talked about my house being up for sale check them out,and i have reduced the listing price as far as IM going to,and why do you want a link to my house its none of your business,nor is how much i want for it

»Comcast: a Naked AT&T Is No Threat
Whether you can get "naked DSL" from AT&T varies from market to market. The company plans to offer $20 768kbps naked service across its entire footprint before the end of the year to comply with BellSouth merger conditions. BellSouth users say anyone can get naked DSL in BellSouth territory if you call up and ask for "bundle 97."

as i said before do a little research first before you talk out your ass dsl will not be a luxury much longer they have to provide dsl to all customers
splat1622

join:2008-09-08
Cave Spring, GA

Well, then there ya go friend.
No amount of posting here will change the fact that the service providers - DSL or cable - do not see you as profitable enough to extend their lines to provide you with something better than what you currently have(Sat, right?).

they are going to have to add their whole footprint if they want to stay in business,because they cant compete with cable with speed now can they.plus they promised the fcc that they would have dsl for entire footprint by 2008.well we will see.i have been told by at&t that they will have dsl to me ,but cant tell definite date so you can kept your little piss poor attitude to yourself,and do a little research on stuff before you post useless knowledge

dadkins
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast

Re: Geez....

said by splat1622 See Profile :

Well, then there ya go friend.
No amount of posting here will change the fact that the service providers - DSL or cable - do not see you as profitable enough to extend their lines to provide you with something better than what you currently have(Sat, right?).

they are going to have to add their whole footprint if they want to stay in business,because they cant compete with cable with speed now can they.plus they promised the fcc that they would have dsl for entire footprint by 2008.well we will see.i have been told by at&t that they will have dsl to me ,but cant tell definite date so you can kept your little piss poor attitude to yourself,and do a little research on stuff before you post useless knowledge
Not a piss poor attitude, common sense.
Tell ya what, you keep right on posting you rants here.


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DavePR

join:2008-06-04
Make friends with the last house on broadband and build a WiFi link for the last 1,700'.
splat1622

join:2008-09-08
Cave Spring, GA

Re: Geez....

yea i have thought about that,but not the friendliest people they would never let me do it

JammerMan79
Premium,VIP
join:2004-05-13
Prince George, BC

Re: Geez....

even if you tell them you'll pay for their internet connection?
splat1622

join:2008-09-08
Cave Spring, GA

Re: Geez....

i tried they said no,and gave me a dirty look so i said forget it i will just wait or move whichever comes first
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY

Re: Geez....

Rent a dry loop from the phone company between your location and a location further down the telephone trunk line road going towards the CO, then run a DSL bridge over it. The loop should only be a couple 1000 feet.
splat1622

join:2008-09-08
Cave Spring, GA

Re: Geez....

i wonder how much that will cost the co i use is 5 miles from me,and IM right at the county line with that co 3 1/2 miles from me in which stops 1700 feet from me.will they let me use the one in another county or will i have to use my co
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY

Re: Geez....

It proably won't work in your area, since your trying to link with someone in a different central office and is served by a different trunk line. Officially in such a case, if you request a dry loop between 2 locations in different central offices, you will be hit with insane charges ($25 loop to your central office-$x per mile intra office line-$25 loop from foreign central office to the other location). And thats assuming copper plant still exists between central offices. DSL will run over a 10 or 20 miles loop on a cold day in hell. Assuming a copper inter-office link is possible, the telco will push/strongly encourage you to have loading coils and voice conditioning done to the loop so you "voice" line works correctly. If no copper exists between COs, the telco may offer a fiber-optic link between central offices, which digitalizes your dry loop into 64kbitps (like any normal analog line) and sends it over to the other CO, DSL obviously isnt possible. The fiber optic interoffice link is billed at the same per mile charge as copper would be.

If you want to get a dry loop to run DSL over, under no circumstance can you run it through the CO. Line is too long. The idea would be to run it to someone downstream or upstream on the same trunk line as you. That can generate 1000-9000 foot loops which is the limit for DIY DSL. Your better off trying to get to someone with cable rather than DSL. Get an additional cable modem for that location, on a separate account (try "Apt 1" or a separate name) and separate billing address and dont send the bill to the service address. No problems with late bill paying/splitting the bill.

To run a dry loop inter CO like you want, I doubt its possible legally or physically to run a loop like that (inter-CO without going through COs). Legal BS might be stuff like a separate bell operating company / franchise / permit / LLC / LATA/etc. Physical problems can be no place where your trunk line going upstream is 0, 1 or 2 poles away from a trunk line going to the other C0. If your upstream trunk line doesn't magically/seamlessly turn into a downstream trunk line further down the road towards the other CO, you will get hit with $1000s in engineering charges (labor starts at $63 an hour per worker for Verizon here, just get a T1, it will be cheaper) since no physical connection exists, and many many new lines will have to be run along poles to create a path to the other trunk line, which probably means your loop is too long now and no DSL. This is assuming they won't tell you to screw yourself and get a house to CO, CO to CO, CO to house set up, which they can.

Cost wise, intra-office dry loops run under $100 per month per pair usually, so they are very affordable.

Remember the idea behind DIY DSL, is to create a DIY DSL link over a short dry copper loop that doesn't go through a CO to a location that has internet.

insomniac84

join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN

Re: Geez....

Couldn't someone just get isdn and call it a day? 128k and lower latency is surely better than dial-up.

CylonRed
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join:2000-07-06
Bloom County

Re: Geez....

Most of the time it is very expensive - over $70/month and may times over $100.

insomniac84

join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN

Re: Geez....

That's still cheaper than doing crazing things like running a straight pair to another house up the road, getting cable internet there, and sending it to yourself over a private dsl link. At the very least you would have low latency and twice the speed or more of dial-up.

Simba7

join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT


edit:
September 8th, @11:58PM

What I'd suggest?

Getting a pair of WRT54G's (or GS's), re-flash them with DD-WRT, and build a cheap bridge between a friends' house and yours. Oh, and a pair of Cantennas or some sort of directional antenna for each router.

..of course, with the right directional antennas, you can go a few miles.
splat1622

join:2008-09-08
Cave Spring, GA

Re: Geez....

thanks something to think about,but i will wait to the first of the year and see what at&t does

BJA

@winfieldwireless.com
Have you done that as of yet?
splat1622

join:2008-09-08
Cave Spring, GA

edit:
September 9th, @09:39PM

Re: Geez....

have i done what yet

CylonRed
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join:2000-07-06
Bloom County

Re: Geez....

BJA was asking 'Simba7' the question ("reply to Simba7")

Simba7

join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT
I've done that a couple times, I actually got a decent link using a pair of old modified DirecTV dishes over a few miles. If I tweaked it up a little more, I've heard that you can get 5+ miles out of them.
Lineage

join:2006-10-19
USA
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said by S_engineer See Profile :

Is anybody left on the old dial up besides AOL customers?
26k here. Being in nowhere sucks.

S_engineer

join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL

Re: Geez....

said by Lineage See Profile :

said by S_engineer See Profile :

Is anybody left on the old dial up besides AOL customers?
26k here. Being in nowhere sucks.
Being in nowhere actually sounds good to me right now, the city is literally killing me!
splat1622

join:2008-09-08
Cave Spring, GA

Re: Geez....

yea it will especially if you have neighbors like dadkins

morbo
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have you thought about the dual-modems? supposedly it takes your two phone lines and automagically combines it so you have about double the speed of one modem.

i don't have any experience with this, but i always wondered what i would do if i was in your situation.

Vchat20
Landing is the REAL challenge

join:2003-09-16
Warren, OH

Re: Geez....

Which usually involes finding an ISP that will allow it and paying for two phone lines (3 if you want one to always be available for calls).

At that rate it'd probably be cheaper and in better speeds to jump on the wireless broadband bandwagon. I'd assume any of these places that people can't get squat are at least served by 1xRTT or EDGE which is on par or better than dialup.
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splat1622

join:2008-09-08
Cave Spring, GA


edit:
September 9th, @01:08AM

Re: Geez....

but verizon has a 5 gb download cap for 99.00 a month,and if you go over they charge you per mb that's the main reason i have not switched to it plus i only get 1 bar i would need a antenna.its not that great of a deal really sux

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elray

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said by morbo See Profile :

have you thought about the dual-modems? supposedly it takes your two phone lines and automagically combines it so you have about double the speed of one modem.

i don't have any experience with this, but i always wondered what i would do if i was in your situation.
Shotgun modems require two phone lines, and a double-dialup account (if anyone still sells them). If the OP ordered a second phone line, Verizon would install it on a DAML (line splitter), and the effective potential throughput of the line would be halved ... at four times the price!

The best options for this guy are IDSL (doubtful), moving (why not?), EVDO, or as another poster suggested, making friends with someone at the end of the broadband chain and installing a WiFi link. 1700' is very, very achievable.

morbo
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Re: Geez....

halved at four times the price? where can i sign up???



thanks for the info though.
battleop

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We still add dial up customers. Maybe 1 a week but they still call up and ask for it. It's no longer supported beyond giving the customer a username/password/phone number.

CylonRed
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Bloom County

edit:
September 9th, @09:56AM

My father is - no other real choices and he has never had AOL.

Bobcat
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Bedminster, NJ

edit:
September 8th, @11:55AM

Unable to compete?

DSL: $32/mo
Cable: $45/mo

DSL looks competitive to me.

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qworster

join:2001-11-25
Los Angeles, CA
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edit:
September 8th, @12:06PM

DSL is an interim technology

Unfortunately, DSL is an interim technology. You simply can't send large amounts of data over long pieces of copper.

That said, I still have 6000/768 dry line DSL from AT&T.
I'm one mile from the C.O. and had to jump through hoops to make it stable (new wire to Network Interface, soldered all connections, new DSL modem, switched to interleaved profile).

Where DSL excels is in an instance such as U-Verse, where fiber feeds the neighborhood and copper each house within it. You can use copper for a 'big pipe' to distances of about 3300 feet (2/3 mile). That way you don't have to do major installs at each house-the most expensive aspect of FIOS and other FTTH schemes. You also get to put all your batteries in one place, since copper can power the voice telephone and DSL modem located inside the home.

djrobx

join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
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Re: DSL is an interim technology

3300 feet? That's pretty close to U-verse's limit for 19mbps VDSL. That's a pretty small pipe if you're trying to get HD video into a home.

I think AT&T's VDSL strategy is a good one, but they should have targeted 2000' and 50mbps per home. That would have given them so much more wiggle room to increase the HD quality, offer faster broadband, and more incoming streams.
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en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA

Re: DSL is an interim technology

I agree. Hopefully they can squeeze a little more out with pair bonding, rather than higher compression.
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jt1

@comcast.net

in most state is only fiber to the node not to the home. here in california we are still restrict by how many feet away you live. my friend got uverse tv and hsi service. he canceled it with in a week. when his tv were on he would only get 1 mb. plus he has three hd tv witch he cant watch at one time. and yes they all get used.

djrobx

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edit:
September 8th, @01:51PM

Re: DSL is an interim technology

If he was only getting 1mb internet while watching TV, something else was wrong. That's not how U-verse works. I can be recording 2 HD shows and 2 SD shows, and still get full 10mb internet.

Your friend's example of having 3 HDTVs is exactly why I feel AT&T missed the mark in their bandwidth estimates. Thanks to better compression, they're up to 2 HD streams now. That's made the product much better, but it really ought to be 4 for bigger households. It will be better still with the THDVR that's rolling out now. You'll be able to watch HD recordings on any TV, which can drastically decrease the need for an available live TV tuner.

We use U-verse because of the very generous new customer incentives and good HD channel selection. The technological limitations AT&T has stuck themselves with has left them competing on price.
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splat1622

join:2008-09-08
Cave Spring, GA

dying phone companys

at&t could add many,many,many more customers just by expanding to their entire footprint,but they just worry about adding more speed to existing customers.if they kept that up cable is always going to spank them.they better get all they can with entire footprint.then add speed

there is still alot of rural customers that cant get dsl,and can always forget cable quote from charter in north Georgia

(we are not adding new customers even in new sub divisions they get together to pay for cable to get run to them)

that's what they told me if that's true then rural customers will never get cable,but they do have phone service which equals many dsl customers because that's all they can get unless they are lucky enough to get evdo or sat. in which i don't recommend to anyone although is better than dialup

en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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Personally...

I'd have no problem with 3-6Mbps DSL.
The telco's are being too greedy, making a slower ADSL and even Uverse VDSL pricier than Cable HSI.

a) Bundled triple play(close)
TWC 6Mbps/VoIP/Digital TV (and analog) = $89/month (1 year)
AT&T: Lowest price bundle: $44/month Ufamily + $25/month 1.5Mbps VDSL + $30/month VoIP
AT&T: Best deal: $84/month U200+ 1.5Mbps Internet, $30/month VoIP with $200 cashback

b) ADSL: ADSL standalone... $30/month for 1.5Mbps, $40/month for 3Mbps. 10Mbps for $55 (Uverse)

Cable HSI: 1.5Mbps for $35, 6Mbps for $45, 10Mbps for $55
These are actually pretty competitive on standalone. Slight advantage to ADSL on the bottom end.

c) ADSL + Voice (POTS): $35/month for 6Mbps, $40 ($53 after fees) for POTS unlimited: $88, $83 for 3Mbps
TWC: Voice + HSI = $79.99 for 6Mbps, VoIP.
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splat1622

join:2008-09-08
Cave Spring, GA

Re: Personally...

yea and it pisses me off to See those prices.i did pay 74.95 just for pots unlimited,but cut it off last week.i told at&t when they got me dsl i would cut pots back on,but they don't care

en102
Canadian, eh?

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Valencia, CA
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Re: Personally...

I had POTS unlimited for quite a while, and was using DSL-Extreme (great service) for Internet, as it was as cheap, if not cheaper than AT&T, with better CS, and less B.S.
DirecTv was getting pricey, and TWC bundle made it worth my while.
I've been paying $40 POTS unlimited + $4.99 Canada = +$57/month on POTS.

Uverse has been available for +1 year, but not Uverse Voice, and they've recently canned new signups for Call Vantage (I guess they _really_ didn't want me as a customer)
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meh37

@verizon.net

OK by me...

I'd take "slowsky" DSL from Verizon over capped "high speed" cable from Comcast any day. Granted, I have FiOS now, but the DSL connection I used to have from Verizon was better than the cable connection I used to have from Comcast (but that was then and this is now). Frankly, I'd take dial-up over Comcast--I'll never, ever be a Comcast customer again.

jmn1207
Premium
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Reston, VA
·Verizon FIOS

Re: OK by me...

said by meh37 :

I'd take "slowsky" DSL from Verizon over capped "high speed" cable from Comcast any day. Granted, I have FiOS now, but the DSL connection I used to have from Verizon was better than the cable connection I used to have from Comcast (but that was then and this is now). Frankly, I'd take dial-up over Comcast--I'll never, ever be a Comcast customer again.
I said the same thing about Verizon a few years back and I am glad to no longer get a bill from them anymore. Even though FiOS is now available at my home, I have not jumped ship yet, mostly because of my previously horrible experience and the fact that any savings would only be seen by committing to long contracts. I'm keeping my month-to-month billing with Comcast for now. Admittedly, I'm not much of a power user when it comes to the internet, but if things change, or Comcast ever harasses me about usage, I'm switching again.

Joemama1

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DSL better than Cable! My test results ...

Yeah - I "thought" my cable modem rocked ... when thats all I had! The theoretical speeds sounded good but always found myself blaming "the other guy" when a site was loading slow or VOIP was choppy. There were always outages that lasted sometimes 24 hrs so THEN I ordered DSL as a "backup". Well, I can tell you I compared my 6mb/768k DSL with my 15mb/2mb Cable and guess who won? DSL WON! I actually get about the same speeds on tests (about 4mb down/640mb up)with both, HOWEVER, DSL is way more responsive - NO jitter in VOIP, NO hiccups in Netflix streaming and no inconsistency like I have seen with cable. You can guess which is my primary line now!

I wouldn't have believed it without trying this myself...
pbarrow
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join:2003-09-16
Montgomery, AL

Re: DSL better than Cable! My test results ...

If one does a little web searching you can find explanations.
Any time you are on a shared service where your modem is told when and for how long it can send/receive data (timeslice - especially the Upstream)like cable then you are going to see erratic performance - unless you are on a Node almost by yourself.
And all it takes is for the Upstream to become saturated (bittorents etc.) and then it affects the Downstream for everyone on the Node as well and Download suffers.
There was a good article about this and comparing DSL - but I don't recall where I found it.
And just try getting the cable company to expand (or even acknowledge) Node capacity and see what a headache that is.

Titus Pullo
I came, I saw, I slept

join:2004-06-26
·Embarq

Agreed. If my DSL service stays as it has since I signed up (dropped Adelphia right before the Comcast takeover) nearly two years ago, I wouldn't ___EVER___ go back to cable.

* Vastly better uptime (no downtime, in fact)
* Less latency
* Very consistent speeds
* No need for customer support because I have no problems
* Cheaper for my needs and with no bi-yearly price increases
* No shame of writing checks to a company that advertises Golden Goo

I've gone DSL and won't look at cable unless DSL goes in the sh*tter. Then I have no choice but to look at cable or dialup. And if the economy gets much worse, I may just go the latter. Text only internet isn't horrible, just pretty bad.
Turning off images, scripts, flash, etc, and getting down to pure text is painful, but not as painful as needing the $50 difference in price is when you're hungry or need medicine.
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pbarrow
Premium
join:2003-09-16
Montgomery, AL

DSL

If they would expand their coverage they might get more customers.
I've been calling ATT (Bell South) for 8 years asking why/if/when they are going to provide DSL in my zip code.
Most recent answer? "no plans to expand service there"
It's only available in some of the newer subdivisions or certain areas of town.
I would give them a try if they expanded - I'm not happy with my Charter service and performance.