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| Raise broadband prices? Cable is already loosing customers on their high priced TV services and Moffett thinks the answer is raise prices on the other services available on the cable...
Get ready for this idea to sink just like the industry as a whole. These corporations and their investors really know how to ruin good things, and for what?
Greed! Hope the investors are happy when they get zero on their investment. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Raise broadband prices? Really, zero? Prices will increase until the market won't bear it and then they'll relax. Businesses aren't going to drive consumers away to zero profit. | |
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| Re: Not sure they can make it up on HSI said by BillRoland:I would argue they can't really make it up in jacking HSI prices either, they'll end up driving customers to cheaper tiers or to cheaper DSL.
I don't know about that. My cable/phone/internet provider is raising high speed internet rates all tiers by $10 if you don't have phone and cable service along with internet. The problem is we have no other choices for high speed internet, they'll say sat internet is another option so they aren't a monopoly. Many people around here have sat TV and cell phones instead of landlines so the local company is raising the internet fees and basically you can't escape it.
On another rant, Hargray which is my local company will not even give me a good faith estimate in writing of what my bill would be a month if I have their phone/cable/internet bundle. They simply stare at their computer screens and quote you a price, when you get your next bill which is way higher they blame it on taxes, fees etc. It is straight up fraud what they do and they are smart enough not to put anything in writing, internet service is the only price they quote you in writing but of course there is the $4.99 a month modem rental plus taxes again. I own my own modem and they gave me a hard time about giving them back theirs. I said here you go I bought my own modem here's yours and stop billing me a monthly fee. I was told by the first person I couldn't do that. Half hour late I was right they were wrong. Most people would just pay the extra $4.99 a month not knowing they can buy their own modem.
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So, basically, this is just a way to get the same amount of cash out of people, just in a way that's harder for them to avoid paying. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Greed Except what they will really do is raise the prices of internet and continue to raise the prices of TV. Nobody really expects them to actually lower any prices right? You're kidding yourself if you expect that. | |
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| | | | Re: Greed when the MSOs raise one they generally don't raise the other. And actually HSI prices generally don't get raised. TV only gets raised. | |
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| Re: Greed Actually if they lowered the price to an affordable level not filled with restrictions people may come back there for increasing revenue.Right now its a ARPU.They dont care about the $30 a month guy just the $100 guy.3 or 4 $30 dollar guys can bring in revenue if ya dont tell to fuck themselves like they do. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Greed Geez $30 who pays that?? Out in CA everybody pays around $100 usually more. I gotta get off the treadmill sooner that later, myself | |
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kudos:2 | Many have been suggesting for a while now that these companies aren't going to take revenue hits. All those "cord cutters" better enjoy it while they can  | |
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| | D-Day Comcast is the only ISP I can get in my neighborhood. I have to stick with whatever price they offer me and I assure you I am being reamed in the pooper right now. I do the Triple-Play and my bill is consistently $275/mo.
My family is in the group that can't sustain this anymore either. We are very close to dropping all but the internet connection.
Ooma is looking pretty sweet right now too for the VOIP and I have a perfectly working powered OTA antenna on my roof.
Comcast, if you are going to keep me as a Triple-Play customer I would get to this purported D-Day post haste. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: D-Day said by axiomatic:Comcast is the only ISP I can get in my neighborhood. I have to stick with whatever price they offer me and I assure you I am being reamed in the pooper right now. I do the Triple-Play and my bill is consistently $275/mo.
My family is in the group that can't sustain this anymore either. We are very close to dropping all but the internet connection.
Ooma is looking pretty sweet right now too for the VOIP and I have a perfectly working powered OTA antenna on my roof.
Comcast, if you are going to keep me as a Triple-Play customer I would get to this purported D-Day post haste.
How are you paying $275? Even separately it wouldn't be that high. I'd drop TV before I'd drop internet. | |
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I've never been able to understand how people justify that kind of money for those services.
Cable Internet (and it's business HSI) + telephone + TV (OTA, the occasional rental, and Netflix and Hulu Plus streaming subscriptions) + cell phones cost us no more than about $180/mo., and we already think that's too much!
We don't find Hulu Plus very useful. We'll probably drop it.
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Tulsa, OK | Wow.
$275/month is my gas,elec,water,sewage,unlimited iPhone and iPad,Netflix,Hulu,Vudu,and one month of gas for my car and change.
I get basic cable with my condo. I think I watched about 3 hours of tv in the past 4 weeks.
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| | | said by axiomatic:Comcast is the only ISP I can get in my neighborhood. I have to stick with whatever price they offer me and I assure you I am being reamed in the pooper right now. I do the Triple-Play and my bill is consistently $275/mo.
My family is in the group that can't sustain this anymore either. We are very close to dropping all but the internet connection.
Ooma is looking pretty sweet right now too for the VOIP and I have a perfectly working powered OTA antenna on my roof.
Comcast, if you are going to keep me as a Triple-Play customer I would get to this purported D-Day post haste.
$275 a month!! Holy sheep s**t!!
You must have the highest package on everything under the sun, huh?
My internet, tv and phone add up to about $129!! That's using Charter expanded basic tv, 12/1 internet and unlimited Vonage phone. No specials on either of the Charter services either as I despise having to call them to negotiate those "deals"
Wouldn't have tv at all, if it wasn't for the wife as there's usually nothing on that interests me.
Yeah,
I know about caps on internet so some people THINK they have to have the maximum plan there, but that's another area that is easily reduced without making any killer sacrifices.
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You'll soon see that the opposite will start to happen from last couple of years with double digit percentage increases in internet services and video services staying flat. | |
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| | | Re: Not just cable Sandvine actually has a new product that tracks that and tells you how much of your customers use what other service over network; including NetFlix and others.
The article was linked off the morning "links" on here the other day. | |
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join:2004-02-20
Quakertown, PA | Again These stories can be printed yearly. Nothing changes but sure enough a new article describing the same dam shit as last year and the year before that. I guess they think if they beat the same dam dead horse maybe a different ending. | |
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| | I don't think so. We live in a country where people will gladly pay 150 dollars a month for a phone bill.
Whats a 100+ dollar cable bill to them? | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: I don't think so. said by DataRiker:We live in a country where people will gladly pay 150 dollars a month for a phone bill.
Whats a 100+ dollar cable bill to them?
cable all you can do is watch TV at home. Phone you can do more than just talk and it's portable. Also TV content can get gotten for less legally or even free illegally. You can't do something similar with cell phone service. | |
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| | | | Re: I don't think so. I agree.
But, I've noticed people my age generally don't save money, so every month they are happy with spending half of their income on phone+ tv + whatever. | |
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| Re: I don't think so. said by DataRiker:I agree.
But, I've noticed people my age generally don't save money, so every month they are happy with spending half of their income on phone+ tv + whatever.
True I can't believe people who hook up their whole family with smart phones. You're talking a car payment for that. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: I don't think so. said by Corehhi:said by DataRiker:I agree.
But, I've noticed people my age generally don't save money, so every month they are happy with spending half of their income on phone+ tv + whatever.
True I can't believe people who hook up their whole family with smart phones. You're talking a car payment for that. Getting to the point where all you can get is smartphone( and the mandatory data plan ). Cell companies have you by the balls.
Anyways my son just turn 16 and if he wants a smarthpone he can get a J O B and start paying his part of the cell phone bill. | |
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join:2005-07-16 | said by BF69:said by DataRiker:We live in a country where people will gladly pay 150 dollars a month for a phone bill.
Whats a 100+ dollar cable bill to them?
cable all you can do is watch TV at home. Phone you can do more than just talk and it's portable. Also TV content can get gotten for less legally or even free illegally. You can't do something similar with cell phone service. Sure you can. Get an iPod Touch, deactivated iPhone or Android phone, install the Skype app and find an open wifi spot. Granted it would only be free Skype to Skype, but it still is a work around.
Anyhow, my cable bill actually went DOWN $17. And that's with the same level of services and not threatening to cancel anything. Time Warner just started offering a version of Signature Home with all the premium movie packages (sans Starz) for $230, which is an about $17 savings over having each one separately.
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join:2005-07-16 | Re: I don't think so. Actually its closer to $265 after you add in the extras I have that arn't included in Signature Home Premium View. Plus I subscribe to NHL Center Ice and MLB Extra Innings when those are in season, But those prices include 50Mb Broadband and digital phone service. | |
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|  cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7 | said by DataRiker:Whats a 100+ dollar cable bill to them?
I pay ~130 or so for my family cell phone bill. And we have a $110 Comcast Preferred Plus + Starz + HBO + Phone + 20mbit internet plan.
After dinner last night I turned the TV on. Flipped through all the channels. Twice. Couldn't find a single damn thing on that was worth watching.
I've started to question whether a $100+ cable bill is really worth it. Unfortunately though the internet-only option is only slightly less for similar speeds. | |
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join:2003-06-19
San Francisco, CA Reviews:
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| OTA Network programming If people are cutting cable and going back to OTA for TV, are the major OTA networks (and advertisers) seeing this?
After many years of cable, we realized that we watch OTA network channels most of the time. Thus we got a huge attic antenna and cut the cord last year. | |
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| BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: OTA Network programming said by pkorx8:If people are cutting cable and going back to OTA for TV, are the major OTA networks (and advertisers) seeing this?
After many years of cable, we realized that we watch OTA network channels most of the time. Thus we got a huge attic antenna and cut the cord last year.
Help when you live in an area where OTA is easy to get or POSSIBLE to get in. Broadcasters don't make it easier on us on the fringes with antennas that broadcast at lower power than they are allowed and use directional antennas that face away from you. | |
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join:2010-09-13
Irving, TX | Re: OTA Network programming I have a friend that lives near the broadcast towers, about 7 miles away, and he easily gets many OTA channels with just a dollar store antenna. So he does it without paying for cable TV. His dollars go to his Smart Phone account.
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Gas goes up and cost and most peopel who complain expect their consumption of products will stay the same? lol
just being realistic.. if you don't need TV don't buy it, if you don't need internet don't buy it...
peopel survived for ages without any of these luxuries and so can any of us.
business are into making money not losing it. Any of you work for a company that provides a product or service? Prices go up bottom lien and being that are into making a buck are not willing to absorb the cost. that would be just dumb business... | |
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| | bye bye comcast comcast raised my bill $16 last month and when i called to complain was given no explanation. when i stated this was going to make it difficult for me to keep their service i was told sorry you feel that way. i have since found out they intended to raise my bill an additional $10 in a few months, direct TV is coming sunday to install a dish for me. so long comcast | |
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join:2011-08-01
Rockland, ME | bundle pricing Something is to be learned from Fairpoint here. They charge a ton for their primary service (pots) and little for their DSL. And they are getting hit hard by cord cutting and people moving their phone to cable for less $. Then fairpoint loses both services.
Cable does the same thing; charge a lot for their primary service (tv channels) and less for the broadband.
Cutting the cord on phone has been technically easy (cell phone or voip). Cutting the cord on TV is getting easier, but hasn't been so easy in the past if you really wanted to save money. The fact people can't afford it sometimes makes it an easier decision still. | |
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| | hmm This does not matter on long island. when either verizon or cablevision raises their prices the other also raises their prices. | |
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·AT&T Southeast
| 15 year Directv customer gone I got tired of high long distance rates so I went to magic jack 3 years ago, very satisfied.
Got tired of high satellite bills offering reality shows, reruns, trash programming and 21 minutes of commercials and disconnected it after 15 years.
Antenna in the air, netflix dvds and a free to air satellite system results in saved money to cover everything else that is going up. No intention of ever going back.
Internet all I can get is 3.0 down with AT&T or extremely expensive poor service from Charter. | |
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| | | Re: 15 year Directv customer gone said by rid0617:Antenna in the air, netflix dvds and a free to air satellite system results in saved money to cover everything else that is going up. No intention of ever going back.
FTA for a subset that can get a dish with a clear view. | |
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join:2011-02-23
Santa Clara, CA
kudos:1 | I don't see higher broadband prices Maybe I'm too close to it but I just don't see a future where broadband prices spiral up. As long as there are smaller companies getting into this space, it will put the brakes on the major incumbents and their plans to gouge their internet customers. | |
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join:2004-01-26
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kudos:2 | Re: I don't see higher broadband prices Prices likely aren't rising, but caps and metering are coming. Effective price increase without increasing the price...especially when the intent is to curtail the movement of traditional pay TV subs to content via the Internet. | |
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join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario
kudos:1 | Ala carte The day is coming when they must offer it.Its what the people want and they will get it eventually | |
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join:2010-09-13
Irving, TX | Re: Ala carte The ala carte model works in other countries. The industry tried to distort the facts about the profitability of the ala carte model, but finally the FCC got the true facts. But action on ala carte will likely have to wait until after the 2012 elections, at the earliest. AT&T wants to rule the telecom world (again). I'd like Congress to give ala carte the place it needs. Put the consumer first, and the business will follow...
BTY, after TW took over North texas in the swap with Comcast, they managed, in about 5 years, to almost double the Basic cable rate from $10 to $18. This just for the cable out of the wall, with no box, so you can see your local channels clearly. So much for pushing fixed income Grandma over the fucking cliff !!! | |
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Maybe it is just me but sounds like cord cutters are a much bigger group than they want everyone to believe. | |
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| | | Re: cord cutters Cord cutters are real.
Think. If over 2.9Million home owners walked away from their homes (2009 figure...likely more up to 2011), that is ALOT of homes that had cable. Even spread out over the country, that is alot of viewers lost, and thus ad-revenue.
I know my brother had OTA (between two markets so..he has a ROTOR!) long ago, and only uses 5mbs cable modem (low-income discount). He is happy and gets to see Phillies, Mets and Yankees play. Looks great too.
Point here is, cord cutters are real and there are more than they want us to believe. Once word gets out you can't stop it.
So yes, Greed is the engine, and folks still paying it are the fuel. But if 16% are homeless (yet 9% unemployed...DC math!) in our country, the other 84% are marketable!
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kudos:2 | Re: cord cutters said by cableties:Think. If over 2.9Million home owners walked away from their homes (2009 figure...likely more up to 2011), that is ALOT of homes that had cable. Even spread out over the country, that is alot of viewers lost, and thus ad-revenue. Where did those people go? They didn't cease to exist and likely still watch TV. | |
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join:2003-08-10
038xx | Re: cord cutters said by openbox9:Where did those people go? They didn't cease to exist and likely still watch TV. Back to parents, moved into shared housing, returned to country of origin, reunited with ex (don't laugh. the rates are up) or simply didn't order TV service at new location. Which makes them a sortof cord cutter.
The ~60yo neighbor couple got foreclosed, bought an RV and headed south to live it. If they have TV (prolly not) it ain't a cord. | |
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join:2004-01-26
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kudos:2 | Re: cord cutters My point was that if 2.9M people were actually evicted from homes, that doesn't necessarily equate to 2.9M lost pay TV subs. | |
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038xx | Re: cord cutters said by openbox9:My point was that if 2.9M people were actually evicted from homes, that doesn't necessarily equate to 2.9M lost pay TV subs. Well, yes. Obviously cancellations to loss is not 1:1. | |
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | All they have to do is move to penalty pricing on Internet ... For video streaming... Caps, overages, etc
Make it too expensive to get most your video online.... this will then push people back to PayTV and make tons more profit off Internet.
It's a win-win for them and a lose-lose for consumers, society, and our future.
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| So True! I recently called Comcast like I do every six months, in an attempt to get new specials. They actually offered me $20 for Starter tier, $10 for Preferred add-on, and $10 for each premium channel. That was great, as it was basically an extension of the special they were giving me over the previous 6 months. However, they would not allow me to keep the special of 26.95 for internet, so now it goes up $18. They must know they have a lot of cord-cutters who will keep their internet service. Unfortunately they're right, because with the 12 devices we have in our house that use the internet (not all at the same time), 3 meg DSL just doesn't cut it anymore! That's all AT&T will offer to us. | |
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