  Goober
join:2000-12-17 Naperville, IL | F*&! VOIP That's the Mickey Mouse kind of crap that will forever not make me switch to these shi++y VOIP fly-by-nights. | |
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join:2005-04-06 Carrollton, TX
| Re: F*&! VOIP said by supergirl :Slamming is illegal so I'll get something. Slamming is when your phone provider is changed without your agreement. This isn't the case here. Instead, a person's number is allegedly being given to someone else, presumably leaving the original owner with no incoming phone service. | |
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  chris focus Premium join:2000-08-13 Middletown, CT | Vongage will be gone soon anyway ... it's only a matter of time before they are sued out of existence. | |
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 |   devicemanage Premium join:2002-03-16 Chalfont, PA | Re: Vongage will be gone soon anyway Happened to a friend of mine too! The ended up staying with Vonage because they didn't want to lose a number they had for 20 years. -- »www.devicemanager.net | |
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join:2005-04-06 Carrollton, TX
| Re: Vongage will be gone soon anyway said by devicemanage :Happened to a friend of mine too! The ended up staying with Vonage because they didn't want to lose a number they had for 20 years. Not that I don't believe you, but I'm cynical. If Vonage had somehow ported his number then they would have had to port it to someones account. Therefore, your friend would have temporarily lost it at that point anyway. Once the "mistake" was spotted it shouldn't have been much harder to port it back to its original home than to move it from the Vonage customer who got it to your friend's new account. | |
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| Re: Vongage will be gone soon anyway said by dodgetech2 :said by chris :... it's only a matter of time before they are sued out of existence. if I had a dollar for every time I saw this posted, I could start my own VOIP company. agreed! although you have to admit - they seem to keep losing  | |
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join:2002-05-17 Palm Desert, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| Cheap Telco Service!
It all has to do with the cost of Telephone Service, people think the cheaper the better. The Telco's had everything under control, and then the VoIP Providers started popping up and Number Portability came into play. That means that a customer could take the number assigned to him to what ever Carrier they wanted. This is not an easy task, in order for your number to work and ring that phone it has to be built into the System. In the old days it was hard wired, but now it's all in software still not an easy task. Providers don't like pulling these numbers in and out of their Systems at the drop of a hat. With so much competition out there, you can see where keeping the numbers and keeping the cost down is almost impossible. | |
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@myvzw.com
| Re: Cheap Telco Service! When did the Teleco's have "things under control" have you ever called Qwest? I'm surprised I have dial tone most days with the idiots that work there.
There customer service is horrible when you call in you get transfered to a 100 different departments none of which can help you with your problem, then you get India who tells you to "Reboot Your Computer" then you have to remind them you are calling about Phone service NOT DSL. | |
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  Anonymous Premium join:2004-06-01 IA
·Mediacom
| VoIP is not dead Hybrid VoIP solutions used my most major cable companies are much better. Also it's less likely one of these corporations will simply disappear overnight.
This looks really bad though. These smaller outfits (including Vonage) should work something out because it's this kind of publicity costing them new customers.
But then again majority of people have Wal-Mart mentality and go for the cheaper service. That's why companies like Teleblend still exist. | |
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join:2001-12-11 Peoria, IL | Advertising Claims ...and when Vonage advertises 'a number for life' they really mean it!! | |
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join:2005-04-06 Carrollton, TX
| Why blame Vonage? I would have thought that this is more likely to be Packet 8's problem than Vonage's. VOIP companies don't own any phone numbers. Instead, they partner with CLECs that provide the numbers, since it is them who are responsible for terminating incoming POTS calls. It sounds suspiciously like Vonage and Packet 8 were using the same CLEC in this case and somehow when Packet 8 assigned the number originally it didn't get removed from the CLEC's free-number pool. In this case, Vonage would have assigned it in good faith. | |
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join:2002-01-01 Gouldsboro, PA
·ProLog
·Vonage
1 edit | Re: Why blame Vonage? said by DMS1 :I would have thought that this is more likely to be Packet 8's problem than Vonage's. VOIP companies don't own any phone numbers. Instead, they partner with CLECs that provide the numbers, since it is them who are responsible for terminating incoming POTS calls. It sounds suspiciously like Vonage and Packet 8 were using the same CLEC in this case and somehow when Packet 8 assigned the number originally it didn't get removed from the CLEC's free-number pool. In this case, Vonage would have assigned it in good faith. Because its easier to blame Vonage..all the cool kids are doing it now..:) | |
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@comcast.net
| Works in both directions.... I lost my Vonage number to a Comcast customer, who requested it. Comcast gave it happily away, of course... Well, and cancelled my account, cause i had no number any more... At least, they are consistent in their decisions. I'm with Comcast now, let's see how this works out. | |
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join:2002-03-31 Bronx, NY
| money i saw a post here that said the customer would get 150% of their LD bill What about lost money? Running a small bis out of a home or anywhere for that matter a lost phone could you thousands of bucks in lost business if your customers can't find you because one day your phone just stops working | |
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join:2007-04-23 Tuscaloosa, AL
| Re: money said by nbicomputers :i saw a post here that said the customer would get 150% of their LD bill What about lost money? Running a small bis out of a home or anywhere for that matter a lost phone could you thousands of bucks in lost business if your customers can't find you because one day your phone just stops working That's where the attorneys get involved. | |
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join:2007-03-20 Pensacola, FL
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| Re: money said by ISurfTooMuch :said by nbicomputers :i saw a post here that said the customer would get 150% of their LD bill What about lost money? Running a small bis out of a home or anywhere for that matter a lost phone could you thousands of bucks in lost business if your customers can't find you because one day your phone just stops working That's where the attorneys get involved. Yep. If lost business, sue with a lawyer. Consumers only get 150% of the LD bill from the new carrier. But, customers never get it since they don't know to request it. Of course, nobody knows what you are talking about when you request it. It is an FCC regulation though. But, only if done within the first 90 days. -- Saving the world keeps me busy. However, I find Earth very primitive from my home planet of Krypton. -Supergirl | |
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@rcn.com | landline get a real landline from at&t, verizon, embark, fairpoint, or whoever your local ILEC is.
stay way from these cheap voip providers..u get what u pay for! | |
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join:2003-06-19 Oxford, MI
·EarthLink
| Never, ever an issue with VoIP !! I have never had a problem with billing, slamming, unidentified outages with my phone service...I don't use VoIP .. Let's see a VoIP provider BEAT ..$15.00/mo UNLIMITED LD...and near 100% uptime and on demand when I need it with cyrstal clear calling..
GEE ..I most ne a LandLobber on a LandLine .. -- Some people hear their own inner voices with great clearness and they live by what they hear. Such people become crazy but they become legend. | |
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join:2004-06-25 Waltham, MA
| Re: Never, ever an issue with VoIP !! I dont believe for a minute that $15 is the true cost of your "unlimited LD". Add up all the line charges, "bundling" discounts, fees and taxes and I'll be surprised if it comes in much under $50
I've had flawless service from Vonage for 5 years now, and have unlimited calls to Western Europe as well has the whole of North America for about $30 after taxes and fees. This includes all the vonage features, which also allow me to forward or simulring a number anywhere, including western europe, for free. I get voicemail in my email, and with VonageTalk I can pick up calls on my laptop when I'm travelling. Bet your crappy POTS can't do that.
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join:2003-06-19 Oxford, MI
·EarthLink
| Re: Never, ever an issue with VoIP !! said by nozzer :I dont believe for a minute that $15 is the true cost of your "unlimited LD". Add up all the line charges, "bundling" discounts, fees and taxes and I'll be surprised if it comes in much under $50 noz Ha Ha Ha ...that was pretty good ! ..But, Yup ..checked mah bill and there it is .. 15 buker-ooh's for unlimited LD, anytime !!
Mind you it's stripped down landline for my DSL, so those added charges/fees are for DSL. And, since I have the landline anyway, I just put a phone on it and make FREE unlimited local calls and inbound calls to the house.
What's really cool though ..is I use my cell phone for over 600 minutes a month for only $33.05. Since my cellphone number is a local call...I access my vox mail without using primetime minutes ..SPRINT eat your heart out...!
Hey .. just kidding with yah too..!!
It all boils down to "how yah gonnah use it"..yah know. VoIP just dosen't fit what I want to do.
Oh BTW .. once Sprint gets "decent" data coverage in my area, the L/L & DSL go away and I get an aircard for my router .. can't wait for it to happen..that will lob $60/mo off even paying for the data service....
Take care -- Some people hear their own inner voices with great clearness and they live by what they hear. Such people become crazy but they become legend. | |
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| I don't know I have had Vonage since Apr 18, 2003. I have yet to have a major outage. I really can't recall it being out at all, but I am sure it has for a short period of time at some point. I still have my original Cisco 186 ATA going strong. Vonage has been nothing but solid for me.
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| Why Do Research?? .. Just Blame Vonage DMS1 has correctly identified the source of the described problem.
said by DMS1 :I would have thought that this is more likely to be Packet 8's problem than Vonage's. VOIP companies don't own any phone numbers. Instead, they partner with CLECs that provide the numbers, since it is them who are responsible for terminating incoming POTS calls. It sounds suspiciously like Vonage and Packet 8 were using the same CLEC in this case and somehow when Packet 8 assigned the number originally it didn't get removed from the CLEC's free-number pool. In this case, Vonage would have assigned it in good faith. But why research it and ID the CLEC that's at fault? If Vonage appears anywhere in the facts list, just blame them. This has absolutely nothing to do with Slamming, but is a number assignment problem. | |
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| Re: Why Do Research?? .. Just Blame Vonage said by JohnA :DMS1 has correctly identified the source of the described problem. said by DMS1 :I would have thought that this is more likely to be Packet 8's problem than Vonage's. VOIP companies don't own any phone numbers. Instead, they partner with CLECs that provide the numbers, since it is them who are responsible for terminating incoming POTS calls. It sounds suspiciously like Vonage and Packet 8 were using the same CLEC in this case and somehow when Packet 8 assigned the number originally it didn't get removed from the CLEC's free-number pool. In this case, Vonage would have assigned it in good faith. But why research it and ID the CLEC that's at fault? If Vonage appears anywhere in the facts list, just blame them. This has absolutely nothing to do with Slamming, but is a number assignment problem. ding ding ding ^^ Winners.
Just more FUD caused by a few anecdotal cases of number porting screw ups. A far cry from "fly by night" VoIP carriers going "under" because of bad service. I don't have bad service with Vonage, in fact, just the opposite and it's certainly better than paying hundreds of $$ per month for LD calls, which I was previously doing. "$15" for unlimited POTS LD? HA, not around here! A BASIC phone line costs $65/month, before they add their outrageous LD charges.
How long does a company have to be in business before it's no longer "fly by night" anyway? -- 10,656 DEADLY TERROR ATTACKS SINCE 9/11~~TEAM DISCOVERY Can't feel you anymore, don't need you anymore, don't believe you anymore, I don't need you anymore
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| Re: Why Do Research?? .. Just Blame Vonage forget all that just get comcast believe it or not its even better than verizons fios. Fios is soo expensive to maintain those cords are sooo delicate its not worth it. I know ive worked for both companys  | |
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join:2008-01-13 Cincinnati, OH
·Vonage
| Non Sequitur - but it is soooo much fun to slam Vonage There is little doubt that this probably is the CLEC. From a different blog/forum, the customer was quoted as saying:
. . . "[his attorney] contacted both Vonage and Packet8. They were able to get more information from Vonage than me, but also got a different explanation of what happened from Vonage than the one I got from Packet8."
In the "orginal" story about this instance on that blog/forum, the autohor wrote:
"Are you ready for another Vonage horror story"
The author in this blog/forum writes:
"Its been reported again and again that Vonage makes it difficult for customers to cancel their VoIP service once theyve signed up"
Both cases, a Non Sequitur! But it is soooo much fun to slam Vonage, isnt it! | |
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join:2007-01-11 El Paso, TX | Avoid These Guys Staw away from Vonage and P8 people. | |
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  packetscan Premium join:2004-10-19 Bridgeport, CT clubs: | Pools Pools of number are provided to the providers.
Looks like vonage was assigned number that packet8 already had the rights too..
Woooopsie -- Reach out and Tap someone! | |
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join:2007-07-18 Rio Rancho, NM
·Teleblend
| Re: Pools And of course, that underlying carrier is NEVER going to get the amount of bad press that Vonage or P8 does. If either Vonage or P8 does, then all their customers on that carrier are going to suffer because that carrier will make their lives miserable. | |
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| In defense of Varbage When I used to work for Vonage. We used to get these types of calls, not as often as you think, but now and then I would get a call like this. What would happen is someone intentionally would sign up to Vonage's business line using someone else's number or vice versa. A Vonage business client would have their number stolen by a competitor. I'm not sure how this fell through the cracks, as the number is supposed to be verified that it is owned by the person. However it maybe, this really did not involve the carrier. Vonage or the other company would put the request through to have the number either ported out/in. When a report came in for a slammed number. We would require prove the number was owned by the person calling in. The LNP dept. would require prove and go back to the paper work and try to get the number back from the other carrier. During the time I worked there and had tickets logged in for these types of cases. They would be resolved. There were some instances where the Vonage LNP department could not get the number back. This is when the customer would be referred back to the carrier now holding the number. I'm not sure what happened next after the LNP dept couldn't restore their number. To get this to go through successful. The other carrier has to agree on releasing the number and most of the time. The other carrier would not cooperate and the number would be lost and stolen. So no, it is not Vonage's fault for loosing the number. Someone did something illegal and the new carrier would just keep the number. It was out of the hands of Vonage at this point. | |
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join:2007-02-06 San Francisco, CA
| New FCC Rules re VoIP Numbers Promulgated - Rulemaking Open
In October the FCC announced new rules that makes number portability rules apply to interconnected VoIP providers as well.
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"The FCC made clear that the obligation to provide local number portability extends to interconnected Voice over Internet Protocol providers and the telecommunications carriers that obtain numbers for them. This action was, in part, a response to numerous complaints by consumers about their inability to port numbers to or from interconnected VoIP providers.
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The FCC also released a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking seeking comment on additional issues related to VoIP and number. Recently the FCC published the order and notice in the Federal Register, setting for the date by which the rules must be complied with, and initiating the time to receive comments related to the rulemaking.
»www.cybertelecom.org/voip/numbers.htm | |
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