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Bentley
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Arlington, VA
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| I'll get it if I can I've dealt with Covad before and they're good. Good customer service and no down time. I don't foresee FIOS for at least another year... | |
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sbhusted
join:2000-05-14
Bethlehem, PA
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| Re: I'll get it if I can I'm still with COVAD. I'm at the 'edge' of 3.0/768 service in terms of distance, so going faster isn't really an option for me.
But, I gladly pay more for my COVAD DSL because I rarely have to think about it. My connections and pings are almost always great and no downtime to speak of.
Yeah, it's a little pricey but I don't have to worry about a Telco or cable company blocking my ports or telling me how many devices I can or can't have connected.
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WiseOldNerd
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Phoenix, AZ | Is My House on the List? How do we find out what markets and if we qualify for any part of this?
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Atlanta, GA
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| Re: Is My House on the List? Don't do a qualification if you don't want a sales call, because they'll call you to see if you want to buy shorty after. A couple hours after I checked to see if I qualified, some Covad sales agent called from an unlisted number. Lame.
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@suth.com | Re: Is My House on the List? How terrible that must have been for you!!! | |
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Ryno
The Wanderer
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join:2001-04-07
Danielsville, PA | Nice...
They say "Covad broadband services are not available at your location."
BUT
I know for a fact they are in the CO my Verizon DSL is served by.
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Doctor Olds
I Need A Remedy For What's Ailing Me.
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join:2001-04-19
1970 442 W30
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| Re: Is My House on the List? said by techguy :
ADSL2+ is only on dedicated loop so it does not work through RT's. Only shared line ADSL will work through an RT.
You could easily have a dedicated loop from a Remote to a Residence if Covad located their LPV/ADSL2+ DSLAMs in Remotes (obviously where there is room and it may need to be a mini-DSLAM due to space restrictions).
"Line sharing" in of itself is neither Remote only or CO only. It is just line sharing.
There is a pattern of Covad (line sharing) not being in Remotes either and it is from the ILEC's not wanting to share the RT enabled customers keeping Covad for the most part in the CO only.
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koitsu
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join:2002-07-16
Mountain View, CA
| Loop length That's pretty sad. 4K feet? I only know of one person whose electrical loop length is less than 4K feet here in my city. Everyone elses is at least 8000 (and in my case, almost 13000, even thogh I'm 6000 physical feet from the CO).
Sadly this is one reason why cable wins out. 
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Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Loop length I live less than 2 blocks from a VRAD and RT, however, my tract isn't fed off them, so I'm listed at 12,300 line feet.
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Norwich, NY | Re: Loop length You are not the only one.
1/2 mile from remote DSLAM yet they feed me off the CO, over 18,000 feet | |
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Feline with squirel personality disorder
Premium
join:2004-09-02
Mountains
| I'm about 12Kfeet loop length, and I sync at 2 to 3Mbps down with ReADSL2+ (ADSL2+ with a signal booster on both ends).
Maybe it's covad's next move...
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join:2002-10-22
Chicago, IL
| Will Speakeasy offer this? Just curious because I have dry 6Mbps/768kbps DSL with Speakeasy on Covad's DLAM's. I'm at about 9k feet from the CO. If Speakeasy offers it I will definitely get it because I don't want Comcast cable and FIOS and U-Verse are a long ways away here on the north side of Chicago.
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LBDSL
Lightning Bolt
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join:2002-01-07
Auburn Hills, MI
| Re: Will Speakeasy offer this? said by kwayzcat  :What are the prequal lengths for the other speeds, IE 8Mbps/1Mbps? 8,000 feet, after that, the ADSL2+ signals drops to similar speeds/distance of ADSL
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| Got in Fight with RCN and wont use TIme Warner Was going to cut out copper pots from my unit. My unit is right nearby the Central Office (low loop length). Was debating what to do.
The Covad 15/1 hits the spot PERFECTLY. The Covad speed even beats out Time Warner which is 12000/768k on premium.
RCN is 20000/2000 but the company sucks balls and most users arent even seeing close to those speeds.
So Covad 15000/1000 it is, I wanted to thank Covad for listening cause I didn't even think covad would boost their speeds for ADSL2+. Now that it did and it is 15000/1000, this is good enough and gets me off RCN and Time Warner's pipe to boot.
Even if it is a little extra money over RCN and Time Warner.
Perfect timing. Perfect FIOS alternative.
The question here is what happens when FIOS comes out. Does the service stop working? Cause Covad requires 1 year committments generally.
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| Re: Got in Fight with RCN and wont use TIme Warner said by ThankYOU :
The question here is what happens when FIOS comes out. Does the service stop working? Cause Covad requires 1 year committments generally.
Why would it stop when fios rolls out? because verizon might sabotage the copper in the area? | |
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LBDSL
Lightning Bolt
VIP
join:2002-01-07
Auburn Hills, MI
| Re: Got in Fight with RCN and wont use TIme Warner A dry/dedicated copper loop (which will be used for the ADSL2+ loops) has certain requirements. Once the loop is installed, and accepted, the ILEC (verizon) is required to keep that loop in the same or better condition. So even if FIOS is rolled out, and they remove copper in the area, they are required to maintain the dedicated copper loop.
Now, that isn't to say they won't touch it, and could cause issues, but legally speaking, they need to keep, and maintain the copper loop.
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs: | Re: Got in Fight with RCN and wont use TIme Warner Do you know if they will allow bonding ? Hell Id love to pop for 2 15/1's if they can bond em. Id be happier then hell.
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LBDSL
Lightning Bolt
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join:2002-01-07
Auburn Hills, MI | Re: Got in Fight with RCN and wont use TIme Warner Nope, no bonding on ADSL | |
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join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA | Re: Got in Fight with RCN and wont use TIme Warner ADSL2+ is a bondable protocol though. | |
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Lightning Bolt
VIP
join:2002-01-07
Auburn Hills, MI | Re: Got in Fight with RCN and wont use TIme Warner There are no plans to offer any form of xDSL in a bonded option. T1's yes, xDSL no.
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL | than. Happier than hell. | |
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| By my parents home the copper is in place as well as the Fiber optics.
In fact they still have a line on the copper for emergency blackout purposes even though Fiber optics is available.
The issue here was that its an MDU so I guess that if Fiber was installed it would just be installed as an additonal system in the building.
A question:
If the loop length in the building is under 2k feet and its a highrise MDU with the wiring underground, would you expect that the full 15000/1000 speed will be obtainable?
DSL is a dedicated pipe and should have lower utilization as well on the DSLAM. In my building the vast majority of users are on RCN on an oversold FTTB architecture. Alot less are on Time Warner which just put in a FTTC architecture last year (New node across the street).
Covad put in their AceMap DSLAM also recently in the Central Office here. But when it came out the speed was Earthlink LPV 8/1 and it was a disappointment.
Now that 15000/1000 is available, it makes Covad alot more viable. Being near a CO generally means ALOT better line conditions and a much better overall service.
Do you know which Modem Covad will include for its ADSL2+ service at 15000/1000? I think for Earthlink LPV they were using the Zyxel equipment.
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Lightning Bolt
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join:2002-01-07
Auburn Hills, MI
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| Re: Got in Fight with RCN and wont use TIme Warner said by Gotcha :
Do you know which Modem Covad will include for its ADSL2+ service at 15000/1000? I think for Earthlink LPV they were using the Zyxel equipm
So far a bridge is all that is certified, with another device (Router) going through testing now.
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| "Why would it stop when fios rolls out? because verizon might sabotage the copper in the area?"
I haven't a clue. That is why I am asking. It is an MDU. When FIOS comes out I would want FIOS over DSL at any rate, but it is NOT here yet and won't be for ages.
15000/1000 is a good speed which is the fastest offering on the overall basis considering RCN is OVERSOLD and speeds reached during peak are less than 15MBPS.
As for RCN vs Covad support, Covad can't be any worse than RCN has gotten lately. Covad uses Samsung AceMAP DSLAM's which they installed in the CO here.
The best DSLAM's in the CO which can scale in speed for DSL apparently are the Covad Samsung Acemap since Covad is the only one now doing the 15000/1000 speed over DSL.
Verizon proper doesnt do more than 7Mbps and the price is way too high as well.
So the REAL top speed competitors in my area with their CLAIMED SPEEDS (NOT ACTUAL)
RCN 20000/2000 (FTTB to MDU)
Time Warner 12000/768 (FTTC to MDU)
Covad 15000/1000 (ADSL2+ to MDU over POTS, lower than 2000 feet loop length in my case, service is rated for up to 4k feet)
The thing is RCN is OVERSOLD in my area and the company sucks balls although it has the fiber optics in place as well as CLAIMED top speed which is NOT ACTUAL.
Time Warner's issue is Dick Parsons who made some comments which I resent so much and its speeds are lower and more pricey to boot.
So out of the services at this point in time Covad seems to be the best of the 3. I had no problems with Covad in the past, except for Verizon POTS issues due to long loop length. But at less than 2k to the CO and with copper pots underground (not arial), if the copper is in top shape, then I should NOT be having any issues at all.
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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·Verizon Online DSL
| said by justin :said by ThankYOU :
The question here is what happens when FIOS comes out. Does the service stop working? Cause Covad requires 1 year committments generally.
Why would it stop when fios rolls out? because verizon might sabotage the copper in the area? Verizon will not maintain copper when fiber is in place. Copper plant is very expensive to maintain and a big reason Verizon is placing fiber.
There are Greenfield developments where no copper phone lines are placed, it is the future of the network. Say goodnight CLECs. | |
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@rcn.com
| Re: Got in Fight with RCN and wont use TIme Warner Greenfield has no COPPER that was installed so of course it will be fiber.
The question is in areas which have Fiber AND Copper where customers have their DEDICATED LOOPS.
But the dedicated loop legal requirements should indeed be available on the internet to verify.
Finally some real speed competition between 3 different competing pipelines and 3 different carriers.
Only question mark now is the entry of Verizon FIOS and for the future release of the 700mhz spectrum which could also be used by ISP's. | |
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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·Verizon Online DSL
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| Re: Got in Fight with RCN and wont use TIme Warner said by GotYOU :
The question is in areas which have Fiber AND Copper where customers have their DEDICATED LOOPS.
But the dedicated loop legal requirements should indeed be available on the internet to verify.
Finally some real speed competition between 3 different competing pipelines and 3 different carriers.
Only question mark now is the entry of Verizon FIOS and for the future release of the 700mhz spectrum which could also be used by ISP's.
The twisted pair pipe is provide by Verizon. Coax is provided by CATV.
The only service that is regulated is POST. Get real, do you really think Verizon will lease a conditioned data grade loop for a few dollars a month?
The Telephone act of 1996 mandates the Right-of-Way be open to any company that wants to deploy a network. Go for it Covad.
FiOS is exempt from common carrier status. If it wasn't it would not be built. Sorry no free lunch. | |
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Sun Prairie, WI
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burgermeister
All Computers Are Junk
join:2000-10-23
Utica, MI
| A day late and a dollar short in my case... Figures this announcement comes out after my WoW service gets connected. I suppose it doesn't matter much as my 1.5/384 Covad service only gets me about 1.0/384 (safe mode). I'd guess I wouldn't do any better with ADSL2+. I doubt any DSL could match Comcast or WoW in my area. Funny thing is that the only DSL available in my area is Covad; AT&T doesn't offer it. Odd, to say the least.
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Touched by His Noodly Appendage
join:2002-12-30
Laurel, MD
| Re: A day late and a dollar short in my case... Same here. When I signed up for Covad's 1500/128 at $50 a month, it was a good deal; Verizon was offering only 768/128 for the same price. But then Verizon dropped the price to $35, and upped the speed to 1500/384, and then 3000/768; all while Covad did... nothing. Finally, early last year, Fios came, with 5000/2000 for $35. Goodbye, Covad. You had your chance.
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Lyserjic
join:2002-07-02
Deer Park, TX | adsl2 I don't suppose AT&T will be letting Covad offer ADSL2 services over their brand new FTTN VRAD's that are popping up all over various major cities for the Uverse rollout..
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| Re: adsl2 I wonder which is better, ADSL2+ (with short loop length), FTTN or FTTC/FTTB.
RCN is fiber to the building with DOCSIS 1.0/1.1 transport medium to a highrise mdu with coaxial to apartments. (Fiber to the building?)
Time Warner is Fiber to the street level across the building on a narrow block across with Docsis plant. (guess this is Fiber to the curb?)
Pots lines are less than 2k feet from CO. Covad 15000/1000 will be available no problem with full speeds. So its fiber to the Central Office, then 2k feet or less of copper for delivery.
We don't have AT&T Uverse here however. RCN provides FREE Full CATV for the building. So one can get any provider they want for the internet and phone service, and so we have the whole gamut of options here.
But RCN was really pissing me off and Dick Parsons comments irked me. So while my building has the CATV contract and I wont have to pay for TV or need a box, for the internet side, I seem to be leaning towards Covad 15000/1000.
If you had 20000/2000 Cable on RCN vs 15000/1000 via Covad DSL and 12 month contract, which would you do? DSL would be a higher price with 12 month contract.
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join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY | bad svc covad is still in business? cableco and telco hasn't pushed them out of business yet? sheesh.. in a world of fttp and docsis 3.0, will adsl2+ be relevant in say 2010+ ??? | |
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Support The Clecs
join:2001-06-19
Duluth, GA | Re: bad svc Ask AT&T, aren't they rolling out ADSL2+ for their U-Verse?
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| Re: bad svc Actually, U-Verse is VDSL, which, for really short line lengths, can have much higher bandwidth than ADSL2+.
It's too bad that AT&T offers only 1.5, 3.0, and 6.0 down with 1.0 up for internet usage on U-Verse. The rest of the bandwidth is reserved for the IPTV service.
I wonder how many customers would trade the U-Verse TV service for an additional 10.0 Mbps to the internet... (personally, I'd rather have affordable 3.0 symmetric, but that's just me) | |
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Saco, ME | Re: GWI Good luck getting that actual speed. I'm sure a few can get it, but not very many. 20 is definitely an overshot for most | |
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Rumford, ME | Re: GWI I only live 800 ft. from my co. I could get near close actual speeds. | |
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Proud Libertarian Conservative
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join:2004-01-06
NJ, USA | Covad Within 4,000 feet in 2007? DSL sucks. Fiber is the future.
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jbbonds
join:2004-04-10
Sausalito, CA
·EarthLink
| Just checked-Not cheap! AT&T will do "1.5 to 3.0" for $25/mo covad online quote attached as zip file | |
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| Re: Just checked-Not cheap! AT&T will do "1.5 to 3.0" for $25/mo I wonder what options san francisco has now in the inner city for broadband for the nicest sections.
In Queens where I am in NYC in the building Im moving to:
It will have Covad 15000/1000 available (Loop length is under 2k feet), it has RCN fiber optics to the building, coaxial RG6UQ to the apartments over DOCSIS, Time Warner Cable Fiber to right across the street of the building to a narrow segment, and also what looks like a node or amp in the back of the building which is shared which was from before they put in the new node last year.
Due to coincidence, AT&T fiber optics is found in the manhole by the corner of the building since a commercial establishment in the rear uses them but there is no AT&T fiber in the residential building.
Having 15000/1000 over ADSL2+ available makes a compelling broadband choice. Tripleplay is NOT needed because the building has FREE CATV from one of the providers and one can choose ANY broadband and phone options they want (VoIP, doubleplay of internet/phone, etc....) from any carrier they want.
The question is what the price of 15000/1000 service would be. Covad requires 12 mth contracts. RCN and Time Warner don't require any contracts. Verizon DSL is too slow and too pricey and FIOS is NOT available yet to this location and supposedly FIOS construction was halted for this area. Not sure what is going on with FIOS and when/if it will become available here.
Charlie Hoffman unlike Parsons believes strongly in Web 2.0. But the problem with Covad, is that it still wants to concentrate on Copper with lower costs rather than finding a long term business model which helps to deploy fiber optics for residential last mile.
So essentially we have 3 REAL competitors for broadband with their own distinct last mile pipe (POTS, and 2 different CATV/Fiber optics based systems).
Still questionable if the 4th will come in (Verizon FIOS). I dont see it happening for 2007 however. Covad's introduction of 15/1 service seems to indicate that for the inner cities, FIOS wont be here for awhile yet and it still has life because Earthlink/Covad introduced 8/1 LPV service, which now evolved into a 15/1 service directly from Covad.
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join:2004-04-10
Sausalito, CA
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| Rep would not provide full numbers, since they have not yet rolled this new, expanded residential ADSL svc out but will do so at the beginning of next month.
They may continue to call these new, higher speed offerings Telesoho as an extension of their current, branded offerings, and prices should be commensurate escalation of prices for currently - offered services. Upload speeds are traditionally 1/4 of download speeds so do your own math on the #'s below:
1.5 mbps up $59.99
3.0 up $79.99
6.0 up: $99.99
8.0 up: ~$124.99
and etc.
I have opted for now, with my new-as-of-yesterday phone number, to do the easiest thing & go with AT&T - who says the highest speed they can offer is "up to" 3.0, for $24.99. Of course I additionally have to have their phone service, too, for a minimum of about $20/mo after taxes.
When AT&T gets this number provisioned it will show up in their database and Covad and others can give me a line test and quote for what they can and cannot provide. At least that is how it's all been explained to me. | |
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join:2004-04-10
Sausalito, CA
·EarthLink
| Covad Sales Rep just called back with full quote (Errors in previous posting, above, regarding line speeds and prices: replace "up" with "mbps download speed.")
I'm 6892 telefeet from AT&T CO. AT&T and competitors all say no to anything greater than 3.0 on a shared ADSL line.
Covad, however, says they can give me _biz-class_ service on a non-shared separate line, up to 8 mbps but it's expensive.
Service levels and fees: (note nothing offered between 3 and 8 megs! interesting marketing strategy...)
1.5 mbps download = didnt ask price
3.0 down/768 up = $109/mo
8 meg = $150/mo
10 meg = $175/mo
There's a faster level but I'm too far away to get it.
$304 install fee for any level of service with rebate for full amount.
Hope this info might help any of you.
I'm going to see if I can live with the cheap residential fast-as-they'll-give me 'Pro' 3.0 service from AT&T for $24.95/mo and no term commitment. My service is still ramping up on day 5 or so after install, towards 3.0, at about 2.5 now. The 'Deblin' tool on DSLR says my estimated downstream maxrate is 3486, uprate 818. We'll see what we get. | |
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A Ninja Ant
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-25 | Tried to get Covad DSL... ... and Covad said I couldn't get it. I know GTE and Verizon both said I was too far (20K ft.).
Doyou think this new ADSL2+ will work for me? | |
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join:2007-05-10
Winter Springs, FL
| Check out FDN if your interested in this technology FDN rolled out stand alone ADSL2+ in Florida and Georgia in April of 2006. If your in these states and interested in this technology I encourage you to check out a company that has some experience already in the deployment of this product. We've seen real life speeds up to 20 Mbps with this product. | |
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