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Ah, push it - push it real good
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join:2007-12-26
The Cloud | NebuAD sucks and all But with Congressional approval ratings now in the single digits and so many other problems in the country...there are certainly far more important things every Congressman and Senator should be worrying about. | |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Re: NebuAD sucks and all Don't worry. They won't solve this one either. | |
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Skeedatl
Ah, push it - push it real good
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join:2007-12-26
The Cloud | Re: NebuAD sucks and all LOL. Our tons of tax dollars not at work. | |
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tad2020
join:2007-07-17
Orange, CA | Re: NebuAD sucks and all Sure they are, just not for us. | |
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JasonOD
@comcast.net | Agreed. Let the marketplace sort this one out. This is certainly less of an issue than "we don't read your email and do anything with your search history" Google. | |
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CarterStClai
X-Out The W
join:2002-04-17
Sugar Land, TX
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| Re: NebuAD sucks and all said by JasonOD :
Agreed. Let the marketplace sort this one out. Perhaps if broadband was a free market, this would be a viable solution. But, since many consumers have no choice of provider due to the gov't sponsored monopoly of these services, then market forces will not work correctly.
Consider than many organizations consider internet access to be nearly as important as telephone, and that TV service is regulated as well. | |
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NetAdmin
join:2008-05-22
| said by JasonOD :
Agreed. Let the marketplace sort this one out. Wow, another person who mindlessly advocates market solutions to problems that (a) can't be solved by the market and (b) are a result of the market (that provides incentives to use Nebuad)...
This is certainly less of an issue than "we don't read your email and do anything with your search history" Google. No one is forcing you to use Google since there are dozens of search engines and email providers out there. however, in the case of many of these NebuAd providers, their subscribers don't have the luxury of an alternate choice.
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JasonOD
@comcast.net | Re: NebuAD sucks and all I stand by my opinion that market solutions will always yield better results than gov't imposed ones.
Point taken concerning the lack of an alternative choice. | |
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NetAdmin
join:2008-05-22
| Re: NebuAD sucks and all said by JasonOD :
I stand by my opinion that market solutions will always yield better results than gov't imposed ones. Right, because the nature of the problem doesn't matter.  Blindly advocating that market solutions ALWAYS yield better results, regardless of the problem, is just as bad as always advocating government imposed solutions. It would be like our team blindly rebooting equipment to solve a problem with our network. Just because rebooting resolves some problems, it doesn't fix them all.
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Re: NebuAD sucks and all He knows that.
"Let the marketplace sort this one out" is actually code for "let companies do whatever they want because money is the most important thing in my life and nobody should get in my way." | |
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Skeedatl
Ah, push it - push it real good
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join:2007-12-26
The Cloud | Re: NebuAD sucks and all Some people see the 2 choices of "take it" and "leave it" as competitive forces. | |
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Lets Golf
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join:2006-01-05
Davenport, FL
| So how many would Opt-In if... If your ISP changed their pricing tiers as a way to Opt-in/out?
Example:
39.99/10Meg w/Enhanced advertising
49.99/10Megs w/o Enhanced advertising
Which would you chose? I think that could work, if you could devise a system that would not collect any data on you based on IP address (which a static would be required in an opt-out scenario). | |
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Jason Levine
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join:2001-07-13
Albany, NY
| Re: So how many would Opt-In if... I wouldn't opt-in,but I know that a lot of people would. If they were up front about what "Enhanced Advertising" was (and didn't just refer to it as "enhanced user experience" or say it was "just as good as faster speeds"), then an opt-in situation like this would be fine by me.
But automatically including users and then expecting them to opt-out of the advertising (which may or may not opt you out of the tracking) is just wrong and possibly illegal.
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i5050MbSoon
Formerly TwoKDialup
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join:2002-06-07
Coloma, MI | So how much do these phucking ISPs make per user by selling their usage data?
Is it 10¢/month or more like $10/mo?
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Lets Golf
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join:2006-01-05
Davenport, FL | Re: So how many would Opt-In if... I have seen the monthly revenues coming in from DNS redirection, etc.. and its quite a lot. I know it helps pay for upgrades that otherwise would have been put on the back burner. | |
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Jason Levine
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join:2001-07-13
Albany, NY
| Re: So how many would Opt-In if... Given that figure, and the fact that Charter has about 5.6 million subscribers, Charter stood to gain $14 million per month, or $168 million annually from the NebuAD deal. Their current annual revenues are around $6 billion, so an additional $168 million isn't a trivial amount. | |
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Lets Golf
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join:2006-01-05
Davenport, FL
| I would say 2.50 per month is a little on the high side, but probably closer to $1.50 per month.
And I know, you could say, well why not just increase the price of the HSI by that, but bean counters will do that and still want the advertising. Also, inside of corporate world, you have to find "alternative" ways to create revenue rather than proposing price increases. This helps justify your departments, and increases your budget. Its a lot of politics involved. | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
| 9% Baby! Congress now has a 9% approval rating. Perhaps it needs to take some cues from Comcast and/or the IRS as to how to improve its perception among the public.
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Rob
In Deo speramus
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join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
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| Re: 9% Baby! said by pnh102  :Congress now has a 9% approval rating. Perhaps it needs to take some cues from Comcast and/or the IRS as to how to improve its perception among the public. Both the IRS and Congress are part of the government, and unlike Comcast, really don't care what their approval ratings are. | |
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IT Guy
Your God Smells Funny
join:2004-07-29
Las Cruces, NM
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| Re: 9% Baby! said by Rob :said by pnh102 :Congress now has a 9% approval rating. Perhaps it needs to take some cues from Comcast and/or the IRS as to how to improve its perception among the public. Both the IRS and Congress are part of the government, and unlike Comcast, really don't care what their approval ratings are. The IRS is not a part of the government, they are a private entity that is contracted by the government. | |
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Rob
In Deo speramus
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join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
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| Re: 9% Baby! said by IT Guy :said by Rob :said by pnh102 :Congress now has a 9% approval rating. Perhaps it needs to take some cues from Comcast and/or the IRS as to how to improve its perception among the public. Both the IRS and Congress are part of the government, and unlike Comcast, really don't care what their approval ratings are. The IRS is not a part of the government, they are a private entity that is contracted by the government. The IRS is very much part of the federal government, and therefore is not considered a private entity according to the courts.
Regardless of they are contracted or not, they are not in jeopardy if going out of business because of bad customer service. | |
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driscollw80
join:2005-08-15
Virginia Beach, VA
| Doesn't matter Who cares what they do, all your traffic is being handled over to the US with the assistance of AT&T. Since many people use AT&T backbones anyway, we don't have much privacy to begin with.
NebuAD, buy yourself some government officials and get your illegal activity put into a bill. It's a lot easier than answering privacy questions by congress or worrying about that pain the #$%#@% US constitution. | |
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bjbrock
join:2002-10-28
Mcalester, OK
| Law makers are simply extorting... these ad companies. Once these corporation and their lobbyists put enough money into the coffers of these specific lawmaker, directly or indirectly, all will be forgiven. Then this hideous practice of sniffing every packet you send out will continue without a word.
We possibly may see some type of data mining agreement between these companies and the powers that be as well.
Until the public actually stands up and does something about our loss of privacy nothing will change. Your world is an open book for anyone in the right place or with enough money can read - anytime they want. | |
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