  Pashune Your average, anemic person. Premium join:2006-04-14 Gautier, MS | Heh... About time something "gets done", but I'm not holding my breath. Only time will tell. | |
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| It's time to re-classify it all. It's time to classify Internet Broadband Access as a utility once and for all and get it over with.
Already, they're all trying to shove everything, including a Ham Sandwich, down the internet.. Phone, 'Television Signals', and other services are all being sent via IP now.. it's time to bring definitions into modern ways of thinking.
No more should AT&T be able to say they aren't offering Television because it's "packets" and Cable operators should not be able to say they are an "information service" and not the internet and then turn around and sell High Speed "Internet"... Vonage, SunRocket, ViaTalk, Packet8, and Cable VoIP services should be handled as phone and not "information service" since you pick up a hand set, dial 7, 10, or 11 digits, make another phone somewhere ring, and carry a conversation. And CERTAINLY, providers like Verizon should not be able to say "It's Fiber, not phone" while they cut out the ILEC copper lines and replace them with non-regulated fiber lines. If they are the ILEC, and are allowed to cut homes out of the LEC picture, the way I see it, they are either no longer interested in being the ILEC *OR* they are simply upgrading their ILEC plant with fiber over copper and should do the whole service area.
Until they get over the "transport" method for definition and look at the service "intent" itself, we will never advance technology wise. Our 3rd and 4th branches of government (Congress and Corporations) are playing the people of this country for fools.
One of the easiest ways to handle this is be honest in definitions of these services and what the internet really is. -- "Complaining is the least path of resistance for the self-serving, the lazy, and Im told its a womans prerogative..." | |
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| said by fiberguy :It's time to classify Internet Broadband Access as a utility once and for all and get it over with. Already, they're all trying to shove everything, including a Ham Sandwich, down the internet.. Well the internet is not a truck you know. It's a series of tubes. Your ham sandwich clogging the tubes is probably why I didn't get the internet that someone sent me yesterday. | |
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| Re: It's time to re-classify it all. said by BF69 :said by fiberguy :It's time to classify Internet Broadband Access as a utility once and for all and get it over with. Already, they're all trying to shove everything, including a Ham Sandwich, down the internet.. Well the internet is not a truck you know. It's a series of tubes. Your ham sandwich clogging the tubes is probably why I didn't get the internet that someone sent me yesterday. All right, which one of you two had my launch at work?! | |
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| Re: It's time to re-classify it all. said by Jodokast96 :said by BF69 :said by fiberguy :It's time to classify Internet Broadband Access as a utility once and for all and get it over with. Already, they're all trying to shove everything, including a Ham Sandwich, down the internet.. Well the internet is not a truck you know. It's a series of tubes. Your ham sandwich clogging the tubes is probably why I didn't get the internet that someone sent me yesterday. All right, which one of you two had my launch at work?! I lol'd.  | |
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join:2005-11-26 | "It's time to classify Internet Broadband Access as a utility once and for all and get it over with."
I second that! -- Wildblue Pro Pack / Beam 40 / Laredo NOC / Windows Vista Home Premium | |
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Seriously, outside of military what has the Federal government been involved in that they did not screw up completely? They'll force DSL to be provided in the ghetto, no one there will want it or no one there will pay for it and then all our rates will go up. | |
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| Re: If you think it's bad now.. said by clecssuck :..just wait till the Feds get involved Seriously, outside of military what has the Federal government been involved in that they did not screw up completely? They'll force DSL to be provided in the ghetto, no one there will want it or no one there will pay for it and then all our rates will go up. =] I'm in the ghetto and have DSL. Poor DSL, but it's DSL @ 1.5 mbit. Can't get anything higher. | |
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| Re: What about satellite? You can consider Satellite a "broadband" connection when the providers make it to where downloading windows updates or other files over 250 meg in size dont make your connection stop working for 24 hours. (hughesnet) -- Hn7000s Small Office plan/.74m dish & 1Watt Trans on Satmex 5 Signal: 86/Win XP Pro SP2/P4 3gig, 2Gigs Ram, Radeon X1300 500meg video | |
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| said by nasadude :said by r81984 :... Satellite is available everywhere. ... so what. satellite is not broadband. it's a very expensive, slightly better than dialup connection. It meets the FCC's definition. 
So now your whole Zip Code has BroadBand. 
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| said by r81984 :Satellite is available everywhere. Thats right trees can be cut, dishes can be placed on top of buildings, dishes can be placed on 50 foot poles or even ham radio towers. If you think you cannot get satellite somewhere then you are not trying hard enough. Ummmm, nope.
You can't cut down someone else's trees just so you can put up a dish. Ham radio towers are not cheap by any means and even not allowed in many neighborhoods with HOAs. Even a 50 foot pole would be useless unless done right (as in not moving with the wind.)
The map shown above discounts satellite for a reason. | |
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| Re: What about satellite? Ummmmmmmmmmm, Yeah. "A 50 foot pool is useless, unless done right" Then do it right, duh. "Ham radio towers are not cheap" If you want satellite internet bad enough then you will buy one.
I guess if you live in an area with a crapload of tall trees that shadow the southern sky from your roof, a Home Owners Association banning towers or poles on top of your house, no DSL, and no cable internet, and no local wifi then your just stuck with Dial-Up, ISDN, or a T1.
Isn't a T1 also available everywhere, so technically everyone can get either a T1 or Satellite connection, so we have 100% coverage? -- »www.ryanoneill.us | |
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| Re: What about satellite? said by r81984 :Ummmmmmmmmmm, Yeah. "A 50 foot pool is useless, unless done right" Then do it right, duh. "Ham radio towers are not cheap" If you want satellite internet bad enough then you will buy one. First off, a 50 pool would never work unless you have a lot of guide wires holding it in place. Not a small footprint. A ham radio tower would start at about $2000 and that's if you can, again, mount those guide wires someplace.
Let's add to that a dish needs to be on a SOLID mount. That means NOT MOVING. It's like a vertical or beam antenna. Even a little sway will cause the connection to be bad.
said by r81984 :Isn't a T1 also available everywhere, so technically everyone can get either a T1 or Satellite connection, so we have 100% coverage? Nope, wrong again. A T1 is not available in all locations. | |
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| Re: What about satellite? Your contradictory statments are crazy.
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| Re: What about satellite? said by r81984 :Your contradictory statments are crazy. If you have money and determination you can put a dish anywhere. Please, oh supposed wise one, how are they contradictory?
You can't put a dish anywhere. If you put up a tower or large pole, you have to make sure it that, if it falls, that it falls on your own property. Most ham towers are designed to twist and fold on themselves if they do come down. Add to that, the big foot print of those guy wires that you might have the room for.
Also, unlike DBS TV service, satellite internet is not protected under the FCC's OTA (Over The Air) rules so any HOA can ban them.
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| Re: What about satellite? Do you really think a dish would work inside a house?? -- »www.ryanoneill.us | |
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| Re: What about satellite? If you have money and determination you can put a dish anywhere.
You said anywhere.
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said by r81984 :If you think anywhere, in terms of a dish that must have line of sight to the southern sky, meant inside a basement, bedroom, on the moom, underwater, on mars, on an asteroid, in your shower, and etc. then you need to need to wait a few years until you mature and come back to this site and reread all the comments before that post. If you are any smarter by then you will not come to the same stupid conclusion. Not every site can put up a tower, nor can every site use the parts of the house. Apartment buildings are another concern (as I said earlier, the internet dishes do NOT fall under the protection of the FCC's OTA rules.)
The fact still remains that a tower or 50 foot pole solution is not as simple as you make it seem.
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| That would make a nice nick in the Redwoods up here, that's about it lol I don't think I'd want to cut one down just to get a signal though, too beautiful. | |
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| Re: What about satellite? said by jhawk44 :satellite does not count as broadband. it is the dialup of the new age. New features include a slightly increased download speed and extended ping times! | |
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| Re: They just realized the sky was blue said by viperpa33s :Congress just realized the sky was blue. Most of Congress is ignorant to just about everything around them. About the only thing they know how to do is throw parties, spend other people's money and spew a lot of hot air. And collect payola for doing the bidding of their corporate masters at the expense of Americans. -- The Toll
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